tanks/vehicles T-44MS (1966)

[WayOfTheWolk 1,573]

Introduction:

In the mid 20th century the Soviet Army sought to modernize its vast fleet of aging T-44 tanks which until then had remained a highly kept state secret. In the years 1961 and 1966 respectively Soviet engineers produced two models: the T-44M and the T-44MS which incorporated significant upgrades over the original design. This latter build became the pinnacle of T-44 production encompassing a "Cyclone" stabilized gun platform and upgraded V-54 engine. They continued to serve until the 1970s in reserve duty when they were finally retired to due to their obsolescence.

 

 

 

Specifications
Crew:	4
Weight:	31 t
Length:	6070 mm
Length with gun forward:	7650 mm
Width:	3180 mm
Height:	2410 mm
Base:	3800 mm
Ground clearance:	425 mm
Engine:	Model V-54 12-cyl. Diesel 520 hp
Max. road speed:	60 km/h
Max. cross country speed:	25-30 km/h
Max. operational range:	420-440 km
Suspension type:	torsion-bar
Specific ground pressure:	0.83 kg/cm²
Gradeability:	30 deg.
Surmounted the wall:	0.73 m
Trench:	2.5 m
Fording:	1.3 m
Armour:	15-120 mm

 

Armament
Mark:	ZIS-S-53 standard in 1944 (35 rds.)
Caliber:	85 mm
Type of gun:	Rifled
Sight:	Telescopic TS2B
Machine gun:	2 x 7.62-mm DTM

Stabilizer:                 STP-2 Cyclone two-plane system

Ammunition: 

APCBC BR-367 

APCR BR-367P

HEAT-FS 3BK2 250mm at 90 degrees 

HEAT-FS 3BK2M 300mm at 90 degrees

 

Sources:

http://www.dogswar.ru/oryjeinaia-ekzotika/bronetehnika/6674-opytnyi-tank-t-44ms-.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-44

http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/soviet/soviet_T-44.php

https://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=556

http://miniart-models.com/products/37002/

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 18, 2018 by Private_Wolk

[leroyonly 4,311]

Open for discussion. 

[Smutol 2,730]

I dont rly think its what we need atm. Would be better to concentrate on filling gaps in tech tree like more light tanks. OR fill half empty trees like Japan ground, or non egzisting Italy

[SANDOKAN_624 29]

+1

Seems nice, maybe for 6.7? I don't know but still, nice machine 

 

And you should probably add a poll 

[Radom 4,245]

+1

Like the idea and with a new powerplant and stabilizer it could fit into a flanker role perhaps.

[TwiXSvK 72]

+1 thanks for making the suggestion

 

 

[dotEXCEL 5,969]

+1 as a premium

[swpixy 1,220]

Hell Yes.

Edited May 3, 2018 by swpixy

[lllmaxlvllll@psn 1,040]

I like it , but I'd rather see new tanks put in the game first rather than different versions/modifications of the same tank.

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

9 hours ago, Smutol said:

I dont rly think its what we need atm. Would be better to concentrate on filling gaps in tech tree like more light tanks. OR fill half empty trees like Japan ground, or non egzisting Italy

 

Doesn't mean we can't have both  

[WulfPack 1,693]

10 hours ago, Private_Wolk said:

 

	ZIS-S-53 standard in 1944 (61 rds.)

Ammo was reduced to 35 rounds. The turret traverse rate goes down to 15 Degs/S. You gain .5 Degs/S of elevation speed tho.

+1 as a premium 

[WayOfTheWolk 1,573]

38 minutes ago, WulfPack said:

Ammo was reduced to 35 rounds. The turret traverse rate goes down to 15 Degs/S. You gain .5 Degs/S of elevation speed tho.

+1 as a premium 

I'm pretty sure the sources say it could carry a max total of 61 rounds, where are you getting those stats from Wulf? 

[WulfPack 1,693]

5 minutes ago, Private_Wolk said:

I'm pretty sure the sources say it could carry a max total of 61 rounds, where are you getting those stats from Wulf? 

"В связи с наличием узлов и агрегатов стабилизатора СТП-2 «Циклон» боекомплект к пушке уменьшили до 35 выстрелов."

Due to the presence of stabilizer components for STP-2 'Cyclone', ammunition for the gun was reduced to 35 shots

http://www.dogswar.ru/oryjeinaia-ekzotika/bronetehnika/6674-opytnyi-tank-t-44ms-.html

Edited May 3, 2018 by WulfPack

[WayOfTheWolk 1,573]

51 minutes ago, WulfPack said:

"В связи с наличием узлов и агрегатов стабилизатора СТП-2 «Циклон» боекомплект к пушке уменьшили до 35 выстрелов."

Due to the presence of stabilizer components for STP-2 'Cyclone', ammunition for the gun was reduced to 35 shots

http://www.dogswar.ru/oryjeinaia-ekzotika/bronetehnika/6674-opytnyi-tank-t-44ms-.html

Thanks again, I'll add that to my list of sources.

[Retry 7,363]

16 hours ago, Smutol said:

I dont rly think its what we need atm. Would be better to concentrate on filling gaps in tech tree like more light tanks.

I'd say the gap between the T-44's 120mm turret and 85mm gun versus the T-54's 200mm turret and 100mm gun is a pretty expansive gap.

 

If this has access to that advanced 85mm HEAT shell with ~200-300mm ish of penetration as well as that stabilizer it'd be a good fit at 6.7-7.0.

 

[Cadianguardian 61]

1+.I support

Problem is that T-44MS is relatively well armoured compared to Type-62.Meaning there will be lot of whining about stabilised heatfs at 7.0/7.3.While it is better from balance perspective than Object 906 which was undertiered.

[LULZ 823]

1 hour ago, Retry said:

I'd say the gap between the T-44's 120mm turret and 85mm gun versus the T-54's 200mm turret and 100mm gun is a pretty expansive gap.

 

If this has access to that advanced 85mm HEAT shell with ~200-300mm ish of penetration as well as that stabilizer it'd be a good fit at 6.7-7.0.

 

You seem to be forgetting about the T-44-100, that already fills the gap you're describing

 

 

19 hours ago, Private_Wolk said:

Ammunition: 

APHE BR-367P

How much penetration does this round have?

[WayOfTheWolk 1,573]

1 hour ago, LULZ said:

 

 

 

How much penetration does this round have?

I am unfortunately LULZ not a Russian speaker so someone is going to have to translate this test sheet with the round specifications. Good Luck!

[Admiral_Aruon 2,264]

+1 at 7.0 either as regular or premium.

 

this tank feels kind of odd. why would any leftover T-44s be modified but still be using the ZiS-S-53 gun and turret from 20 years ago instead of the current 100mm or 115mm? it just seems redundant seeing as how ubiquitous the T-55 and T-62s would be at this point.

[TwiXSvK 72]

Its easier to modernise old equipment than replacing it... t-44-100 was just prototype that never went into service so replacing the gun for 100mm would probably not be worth it as you can just use the gun for new t55

[Jarms 1,558]

7 hours ago, LULZ said:

You seem to be forgetting about the T-44-100, that already fills the gap you're describing.

 

More variety though. It could also go at BR 6.7 not 7.0 the T-44-100 is at.

 

+1 from me.

Edited May 4, 2018 by Jarms

[TwiXSvK 72]

note the cutout at gunners sight for the stabilisation

[WulfPack 1,693]

6 hours ago, Admiral_Aruon said:

+1 at 7.0 either as regular or premium.

 

this tank feels kind of odd. why would any leftover T-44s be modified but still be using the ZiS-S-53 gun and turret from 20 years ago instead of the current 100mm or 115mm? it just seems redundant seeing as how ubiquitous the T-55 and T-62s would be at this point.

It wasn't meant to bring them up to T-64 standards. Just something to help. Putting a T-54 or T-62 turret would cost more and take longer to do.

[Cadianguardian 61]

10 hours ago, Private_Wolk said:

I am unfortunately LULZ not a Russian speaker so someone is going to have to translate this test sheet with the round specifications. Good Luck!

It was ballistic table for shell not penetration . I must note ridicuosly high accuracy of this APCR.

[WayOfTheWolk 1,573]

3 hours ago, Cadianguardian said:

It was ballistic table for shell not penetration . I must note ridicuosly high accuracy of this APCR.

It is already in-game however there are some conflicted sources regarding its penetration statistics. If anyone could provide a penetration table from a reliable source I would appreciate your assistance. In the meantime do enjoy this mock-up scale.

 

10m: 240mm, 100m: 237mm, 500m: 215mm, 1000m: 201, 1500m: 173, 2000m: 147

 

 

 

Edited May 4, 2018 by Private_Wolk