Arcade - Fighter Tutorial Videos

[StrongSuit 0]

Excellent video on the P-47D, enjoyed my first few matches with it. That said, I was wondering what your advice is for domination? Not much going on at altitude in that mode, especially when there happens to be low cloud cover.

[long5hot 7,302]

I can't speak for AIM, but as he's doubtless asleep right now & I've covered quite a few energy fighters with similar tactics ... your best bet is climbing as high as needed to get around 1.5k above the highest enemy fighter, then start high speed BnZ passes. If you see an isolated target pick them off, otherwise dive through the furball. No slowing down, no turning, just pick the best target while you're diving & hit him with a burst then extend away towards friendly territory using WEP and climb when safe. Wash rinse repeat.

[AIM_120_AMRAAM 234]

Excellent video on the P-47D, enjoyed my first few matches with it. That said, I was wondering what your advice is for domination? Not much going on at altitude in that mode, especially when there happens to be low cloud cover.

 

Total honesty?

 

I either quit or, if I'm not fixed on the 47, I'll take some substitute that is actually useable on low-alts like the F6F, one or more Airacobras, the P-400, or even the P-36G.

 

It's not the best of tips, but I don't see any point in trying to make fists work in a gunfight. The P-47 loses all of its strength on low-alt, while you need the stuff where it is totally horrible at. The only thing I noticed to be of use is the still awesome WEP acceleration and the 8 Brownings.

 

For me, the P-47 is a pure Groundstrike air superiority fighter. Ground-level turnfighting and low-altitude energy fighting/BnZ is done a lot better with the above mentioned Americans or, even better, switching lines and getting Spitfires or Zeroes. I've made horrible experiences with BnZ'ers on Domination maps (though I made horrible experiences with Domination in general).

 

If you want to try it, long5hot probably gave you the most viable approach. The thing is that low-alt high speed attack runs are very hard because you need a) watch for speed locking and b) be aware that you will not catch the opponent with his pants down like you can on altitude. Energy states are generally higher, which might enable some powerhouse to cripple you with a burst while you're trying to get away. So you basically got to bleed excess speed to keep your guns on the target while you also need every Joule of energy you can get to haul your behind out of your attacks.

 

Combine that with the huge furballs and the herd-mentality of most players and you will seldomly find a target with less than 3+ reds around.

 

I stopped playing Domination the day I became hooked by BnZ fighters, since the high altitude versions like the P-38, P-47, MiG-3s and a few more are rendered next to useless on those maps.

[long5hot 7,302]

I wouldn't say they're useless, and personally I love Domination as unlike Ground Strike, its possible to make a comeback from a bad start & also to fight to the very last few planes in epic struggles, especially on 2 base maps.

Yes its much harder flying pure BnZ in Domination, and AIM's perfectly summed up the reasons why. Rather than giving up trying, I tend to look at it as a really tough practice session where I somehow have to contribute despite my plane being out of its comfort zone and using a tactic that the mode tends to marginalize. Doing so I went 8-0 on Mozdok recently flying a stock level MiG-3-34, though I'm sure I won't be repeating that every time ;)

It really depends on how much you want to fly that plane. There's others in your lineup, its probably best to choose ones more appropriate to the task as AIM suggested. If you really want to fly the P47, high speed BnZ is really the only option with no slowing under any circumstances on the attack run, and if that means you miss targets then so be it - at least you'll be a real distraction to the other team and may even draw them out after you & make easy kills for the rest of your team.

[AIM_120_AMRAAM 234]

Rather than giving up trying, I tend to look at it as a really tough practice session where I somehow have to contribute despite my plane being out of its comfort zone and using a tactic that the mode tends to marginalize.

 

I thought so in the beginning, too.

 

That was before I was constantly getting smacked by 2.0/2.3 turnfighters with decent acceleration. Low-alt P-47 is a lost cause for me and for me, as a passionate perfectionist raging about the slightest mistakes I do, it is just not worth going through the hardship of playing Domination. Even if you do everything right, you're being a lot less effective than choosing something like the F6F or a Yak-1/7 (those are one of the best turnfighter/BnZ hybrids I played so far and work wonders on Dominaton). Sometimes, I was killed even when I did everything right. If only you could choose the gamemodes, I would roam GS 24/7 in the Thunderbolt.

 

I rather save me some nerves than fighting the gamemode I'm playing in more than the opponent. Same goes for low-alt GS maps like Crater, Pacific Hidden Base and Lonely Island. Those are terrible as well, with close to every fighter farming landing ships.

 

As long5hot said, if you're up for a real (as in mindbreaking) challenge, I'd recommend you to do a few battles with the P-47 on Domination. It was as much a pleasure as piloting a He 112 on 8000m.

 

You rather want to shoot yourself in the foot and go for a Marathon afterwards.

 

Edit: Another thing that kills the 47 in Domination is the layout of the gamemode. You either need to be so low (~2000m) that you can BnZ stuff below you without speedlocking or you need to be so high (~3000m/3500m) that you cannot be engaged by respawned opponents with higher energy and cannot BnZ the ground-level furball anymore.

 

Like I said in the video, having stuff above you in a P-47 is a near-guaranteed death sentence and it's either being vulnerable or cruising at altitude with next to nothing to do.

 

The P-47s greatest strength is also its most glaring weakness - it is a highly specialised plane that just lacks the flexibility Domination requires to a degree.

 

But then, I am borderline paranoid in terms of my Thunderbolts survivability. If you take the occasional risk and gamble, it still might work to a certain extent.

Edited May 24, 2014 by AIM_120_AMRAAM

[long5hot 7,302]

Hey if you really want a mindbreaking challenge, why not set out to make a video series on how to fly the planes that everyone hates :)

We each have our own approach to WT, there's nothing wrong with our different opinions on this. What one person finds a waste of time the other sees as a mountain to be climbed. So long as we're all finding enjoyment in the game, that's the main thing.

[sans_pants 351]

How about the ME410, it would be nice to see a video on that plane.

[long5hot 7,302]

Must say I've never flown one, nor do I own one yet. I'll add it to the poll I guess, but no promises.

[Freeborn 12,815]

How about the ME410, it would be nice to see a video on that plane.

 

Must say I've never flown one, nor do I own one yet. I'll add it to the poll I guess, but no promises.

 

There are big differences in playstyle down the line as there are quiet drastic changes in armament, so you'd have to be a bit more precise.

The basics though are offcourse standard heavy fighter engagment.

[long5hot 7,302]

There are big differences in playstyle down the line as there are quiet drastic changes in armament, so you'd have to be a bit more precise.
The basics though are offcourse standard heavy fighter engagment.

Sure - if sans_pants can specify a particular model I'll change the poll, else I'll probably pick the 1st one in the line.

[long5hot 7,302]

And ... here's the beginner's guide on how to FW190 A-1 :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEpzlBdiGWQ

[BratwurstBob 3,855]

Very enjoyable, as always  :good:

[Cenric 28]

Good stuff with the 190. I can understand how its BR is much higher then the 109E models. But, there is such a gap between the 112/109 and the 190 models. How much of a BR spread is good for an arcade lineup? I have tried to keep everything as close to exact as possible. It seems to be the same with the British early BRs. Going from the 1.3 Gladiator to Hurricanes and Spitfires at 2.0+ looks like a large gap.

[ronin3423 832]

Good stuff with the 190. I can understand how its BR is much higher then the 109E models. But, there is such a gap between the 112/109 and the 190 models. How much of a BR spread is good for an arcade lineup? I have tried to keep everything as close to exact as possible. It seems to be the same with the British early BRs. Going from the 1.3 Gladiator to Hurricanes and Spitfires at 2.0+ looks like a large gap.

since you can only lower your avg BR by .3 the spread of your lineup is only critical for your three highest BR planes. 

 

at 3.3 the FW190A1 can either get a pure BR3 server (3.0-4.0) or it can get a BR2(2.0-3.0) if you use 2.7 planes for your other 3 planes.  But if you get a pure 3server be prepared for I-185, yak9, cobras, and 109 F&Gs to outclimb and outcannon you 99% of the time. Even the B7A2 will pounce you given his bomber spawn.

[long5hot 7,302]

since you can only lower your avg BR by .3 the spread of your lineup is only critical for your three highest BR planes. 
 
at 3.3 the FW190A1 can either get a pure BR3 server (3.0-4.0) or it can get a BR2(2.0-3.0) if you use 2.7 planes for your other 3 planes.  But if you get a pure 3server be prepared for I-185, yak9, cobras, and 109 F&Gs to outclimb and outcannon you 99% of the time. Even the B7A2 will pounce you given his bomber spawn.

Yes especially as the 190 A-1 is only a "good" climber, not one of the best by any means. To get altitude supremacy in it you need a lot of patience & determination - more than your enemies have basically. Once you have that altitude advantage you hold all the aces though. Except on maps with permanent cloud cover between 2000 & 4000m. I had Bf109 F1s in my lineup during the 190 filming as they too were at stock level & I wanted to research them.

If I really wanted to specialize in flying the 190 A1 then yes I would average down. I've more chance of lower tiered battles, plus I simply wouldn't intend to lose the plane so I really wouldn't care much what the backups were. Edited May 26, 2014 by long5hot

[leclerc2 29]

nice vids, i saw every, this one is best, you are improving, gj

 

i have "problem" only with your title, one of those fighters are best planes for rang they are and for opponents they face

(or my translator works bad :))

 

u can/should post this thread on arcade part, u would got more views

[long5hot 7,302]

nice vids, i saw every, this one is best, you are improving, gj
 
i have "problem" only with your title, one of those fighters are best planes for rang they are and for opponents they face
(or my translator works bad :))
 
u can/should post this thread on arcade part, u would got more views

By title do you mean "Neglected Arcade Fighters"? If so then yes I tend to agree, some (not all) of the planes I've covered recently aren't really neglected, underrated, or particularly difficult to fly. Nevertheless enough people have had problems doing well in them & have therefore voted for those planes. I'm tending to think the thread should be renamed simply "Arcade Fighter Tutorial Vids".

(Edit: I've asked a mod if he wouldn't mind renaming the thread to the above)

Thanks for your comments about my improving, will try to keep it up :) I don't want to post it on the Arcade forum myself, it would look like self-serving promotion and I really don't care about view or subscriber statistics. I'm making vids simply because I enjoy it & in the hope that they help people (me included). Also its made me fly planes that I wouldn't have otherwise and with some of them I've had to think hard about how to use them effectively, which is slowly making me a better pilot as well.

Edited May 26, 2014 by long5hot

[leclerc2 29]

there is no shame in self promoting when u doing good stuff

point is, more views=more ppl that can learn (if they want to) and then (maybe) we all can have more enjoyable time

and also by more ppl voting u can get better picture which plane is "hard to use"

 

BUT, by all means, if that will make u uncomfortable (for whatever reason), dont

its just my suggestion

[Freeborn 12,815]

Well since you are constantly expanding there is nothing wrong if you want to change the name.

 

How about "arcade fighter review" ?

 

or maybe something catchy? "Most wanted: The arcade fighter tutorial"

[UrbaniteNine 246]

I just rewatched your MiG-3-15 (BK) video and you said that there were three 12.7 UB's in the nose and the two ShKAS 7.92's in semi-gunpods on the wings. The BK actually has the standard 3-15 armament of two ShKAS 7.92's in the engine cowling and a 12.7 UB through the propeller with two extra 12.7 UB semi-gunpods on the wings.

 

Just something I wanted to point out. This sort of affects the accuracy of the 12.7 UB's a tad. You'll definitely want to get the convergence settings right to get good hits.

 

Love your videos mate!  :good:

[long5hot 7,302]

I just rewatched your MiG-3-15 (BK) video and you said that there were three 12.7 UB's in the nose and the two ShKAS 7.92's in semi-gunpods on the wings. The BK actually has the standard 3-15 armament of two ShKAS 7.92's in the engine cowling and a 12.7 UB through the propeller with two extra 12.7 UB semi-gunpods on the wings.
 
Just something I wanted to point out. This sort of affects the accuracy of the 12.7 UB's a tad. You'll definitely want to get the convergence settings right to get good hits.

Yes, AIM_120_AMRAAM corrected me on that right after I uploaded the vid. I'm pretty sure I added annotations at that point with the correct info - perhaps you'd turned them off? I often come back afterwards & add notes like that, as I never seem to get it right the 1st time ;)

[UrbaniteNine 246]

Yes, AIM_120_AMRAAM corrected me on that right after I uploaded the vid. I'm pretty sure I added annotations at that point with the correct info - perhaps you'd turned them off? I often come back afterwards & add notes like that, as I never seem to get it right the 1st time ;)

I watched it on my phone, so the annotations don't show up. I'll need to watch your videos on computer in the future..

[HochgeborenKlown 1,276]

Excellent Vid...Again...I saw this question to you earlier about what you fly along with the plane you are reviewing, but didn't really see an answer...When you are reviewing a plane, do you match it up with planes at or close to the same BR, or do you use lower BR planes to get a lower over all avg BR...How many do you take out on a particular mission...Had a really lousy, keyboard throwing, mouse pounding day of flying yesterday...Did not seem to matter what line up or which country I used I just got smoked all day...P.S. I liked the bridge fly thru with the 190...Cheers!!!

[long5hot 7,302]

Excellent Vid...Again...I saw this question to you earlier about what you fly along with the plane you are reviewing, but didn't really see an answer...When you are reviewing a plane, do you match it up with planes at or close to the same BR, or do you use lower BR planes to get a lower over all avg BR...How many do you take out on a particular mission...Had a really lousy, keyboard throwing, mouse pounding day of flying yesterday...Did not seem to matter what line up or which country I used I just got smoked all day...P.S. I liked the bridge fly thru with the 190...Cheers!!!

Hi Klown, sorry you've had a bad run :\

The plane I'm videoing will be the first one I take into battle. I'll average down (which is only worth 0.3 BR adjustment) if there's no other planes at or near the same BR that I want to fly, otherwise I won't. It really doesn't worry me either way. I had both the Bf109 F-1 and F-2 in my lineup while flying the 190 A-1, so there was no averaging down for that vid. None for the Ki-45 either as I had the A6M2-N and Ki-61 otsu lined up. Beyond that I don't remember.

As for how many I take out on a particular mission, depends how well I do. My aim is not to lose any planes at all if I can help it. If I lose more than one I'm having an especially bad day. This sometimes makes me more cautious than I should be, something that the creation of these videos is helping me overcome (no-one wants to see me fly around avoiding combat all game). I hope that helps.

[long5hot 7,302]

Time for the He51

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbyXJYklRpg

And with that I'm going to take a break for a while, I went at too hectic a pace for a while there & am burning myself out. Also as of the last patch the game's unplayable for me now (and I'm far from alone in that), so its impossible to work on anything new until they fix whatever they broke. Edited May 28, 2014 by long5hot