Tanks/Vehicles Japanese Tanks, STA-1, others..?

[BlitzkriegWulf 4,265]

No, I'm not a WoT fanboy. I'm not trying to turn War Thunder into World of Prototypes. When it comes to late-era tanks, Japan really wont have much. I'm just trying to help and throw ideas out on the table. 

 

 

 

 

After WW II, and Korea started, the USA gave Japan M24 Chaffee and M4 (105mm E8)tanks. The JGSDF found these to be too heavy for their liking, and the US offered them a choice. They could either buy the M46 Patton, and later the M47 Patton, or they could develop their own MBT starting in 1954. 

 

 

So this can go a lot of different ways. 

 

M-46 Patton: Possible "Alternate History" tank if push came to shove. (I dont like this idea..)

 

M-47 Patton: One tested by the JGSDF; they found it too heavy to be suitable. But it was historically tested by Japan before being returned to the US. 

 

STA-1: The first step towards the Type 61. This was a prototype completed in December 1956. 

 

STA-2: Upgraded STA-1(obviously..), This was completed in  February 1957.

 

 

I don't think this is too far fetched; due to the fact we already have three planes from out of time frame.

 

 

Lets face it: If people wanted to drive Pattons, they are going to go over to the US tech tree and grind up to them. Seeing as both the STA-1 and STA-2 were manufactured within 3 months of one another and are not obscenely outside of the time frame, and unless I missed something huge, are not going to be overpowered. 

 

 

If you could donate info about the STA-1 or the STA-2, that would be nice.

[sollitdude 734]

even during the war, they didnt had much. remember, their most heavy tank was a chi-nu with 75mm gun, used in 1945 as japanese homeland defense. the russians already had 76mm guns in 1937. no matter how you look at it, even the prototype tanks wouldnt work because they are too far ahead of ww2. gaijin is already stretching is with the t-54 and is-4, which were mass produced after ww2.

[babehunter1250 1,601]

even during the war, they didnt had much. remember, their most heavy tank was a chi-nu with 75mm gun, used in 1945 as japanese homeland defense. the russians already had 76mm guns in 1937. no matter how you look at it, even the prototype tanks wouldnt work because they are too far ahead of ww2. gaijin is already stretching is with the t-54 and is-4, which were mass produced after ww2.

First the time frame is up to 1953 so yes the T-54 and the IS-4 might not be WW2 tanks but deffinetively were produced before that time limit, second the most advanced tank that was to be accepted in production by Japan wasn't the Type 3, it was the Type-4 Chi To, ofc the war ended before any significant numbers were produced (altough still better than no complete Panther II or kwk 46 armed Tiger II)

Edited May 17, 2014 by babehunter1250

[sollitdude 734]

but there also wernt any japanese tanks designed from end of ww2 until 1953 because they wernt allowed to.

[BlitzkriegWulf 4,265]

First the time frame is up to 1953 so yes the T-54 and the IS-4 might not be WW2 tanks but deffinetively were produced before that time limit, second the most advanced tank that was to be accepted in production by Japan wasn't the Type 3, it was the Type-4 Chi To, ofc the war ended before any significant numbers were produced (altough still better than no complete Panther II or kwk 46 armed Tiger II)

 

For Japan and Germany, they have made special exceptions, at least for the Air Force. I would be shocked if they didn't extend that for Japan's JGSDF and Germany's Deutsche Marine.

 

the commonly cited figure for when they historically received the late jets was 1956. (Hence the limit is 1953 for everybody, but Japan/Germany can receive vehicles up to 1956 if they are within reason and are needed.). 

 

 

The STA tanks were basically a M41 WB chassis mated to a M46 Turret, iirc.  Both of those tanks are WELL within the time frame. I believe it even historically shares the same gun as the M46, the M3A1 90mm.

 

M41 Walker Bulldog:

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M46 Patton:

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STA-1/2:

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but there also wernt any japanese tanks designed from end of ww2 until 1953 because they wernt allowed to.

 

Right; Starting in 1954, they were given the option to buy american tanks or develop their own. In two years they made their own tank. But they did have USA hand-me-downs in the interim due to the threat of a Soviet attack. They also had artillery, etc donated.

Edited May 17, 2014 by BlitzkriegWulf

[babehunter1250 1,601]

For Japan and Germany, they have made special exceptions, at least for the Air Force. I would be shocked if they didn't extend that for Japan's JGSDF and Germany's Deutsche Marine.

 

the commonly cited figure for when they historically received the late jets was 1956. (Hence the limit is 1953 for everybody, but Japan/Germany can receive vehicles up to 1956 if they are within reason and are needed.). 

 

 

The STA tanks were basically a M41 WB chassis mated to a M46 Turret, iirc.  Both of those tanks are WELL within the time frame. I believe it even historically shares the same gun as the M46, the M3A1 90mm.

 

M41 Walker Bulldog:

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M46 Patton:

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STA-1/2:

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Right; Starting in 1954, they were given the option to buy american tanks or develop their own. In two years they made their own tank. But they did have USA hand-me-downs in the interim due to the threat of a Soviet attack. They also had artillery, etc donated.

Nor the STA nor the Type-61 are directly based on the M41 or the M47, the Japanese used some of their design features to design their tank, but the end result was a tank that adapted better than the Patton tanks for Japanese service, mainly by beign smaller and lighter.

[BlitzkriegWulf 4,265]

Nor the STA nor the Type-61 are directly based on the M41 or the M47, the Japanese used some of their design features to design their tank, but the end result was a tank that adapted better than the Patton tanks for Japanese service, mainly by beign smaller and lighter.

 

They weren't directly based on the american tanks, but they have strikingly similar resemblances. 

[Lefort 1]

Do they have to have late game tank tree, people seem overly obsessed about having a late tree for every nation.

Edited June 4, 2014 by Lefort

[Orlunu 6,863]

even during the war, they didnt had much. remember, their most heavy tank was a chi-nu with 75mm gun, used in 1945 as japanese homeland defense. the russians already had 76mm guns in 1937

Not the heaviest, and not the largest gun they had, either.

 

 

Do they have to have late game tank tree, people seem overly obsessed about have late tree for every nation.

No, they don't.  This is exactly my view.  High Tier 4 they can get Easy Eights and Chaffees as the JSDF and play their role as a protectorate/occupied state in American teams vs the USSR, in Tier 5 they have nothing, but it doesn't matter because they'll always play with US -- you'll find Japanese in the air but not on the ground and that's fine.

[MalagVonBaul 661]

Japan cannot into ground forces.

[Orlunu 6,863]

Japan cannot into ground forces.

Pfft, say that again when you've met a Type 10 Taisho 120mm Naval cannon on a Chi-Ha a couple of kilometres away, or been hit by the Ha-To's Type 3 300mm.

[Dracorean 4]

I think prototypes should be alright, I mean they were built and tested after all and so long as they worked it should be good enough. Though the STA series might seem similar to US tanks, they were much lighter, in general sense Japan doesn't seem to go for armor protection with their tanks, they seem to focus more on mobility and positioning.  

[Gahlok12 457]

I think it would because look at it this way the Japanese tech for the longest time since I first started playing this game in the late 1.27 days had no jet fighter at all only a Rocket fighter prototype that was a fail