I'm a bomber spammer

[Hughmiliator 5]

Hello,

    I am fairly new to the forums but somewhat experienced at the game (currently researching my first jet which is in the German line). I am a fairly average skilled player, I can get 5 kills usually or in a good game up to 10 (I once got 19 but that was T2 Russians so doesn't really count) and I play at BR 5.3. Most of you would call me a bomber spammer as I have a Do217 E-2 and a Do217 K-1 in my line up and I go straight for the bases and airfields.

 

Why do you bomber spam?

 

I bomber spam because:

• I can get anywhere between 2k rp in an okay match to 8.5k rp in a really good match (not counting premium or 1st win x2 bonus)
• Most of my german T4 planes put me against jets which is completely ridiculous but by having the one Do217 K-1(which gets me the most rp) in my line up and the rest T3 it puts me against fair opponents (well I always get balancer and I know what tier a lot of planes are and my 5xT3 + 1xT4 get put against nearly all T4 but I will call that fair)
• You probably guessed it from above but by bombing it's the only way you can get to the jets at a decent pace (220k rp for Salamander the cheapest German jet) otherwise it takes centuries (very slight exaggeration) and you just get bored of the game and quit (this has happened to me on other games)

You are a d*ck head I hate you!

 

Thanks, but this isn't really helping is it. (rhetorical hence no question mark)

 

Things I would like to see:

 

• More game modes, there are plenty of suggestions in other threads.
• perhaps if we removed bases and the game death airfield destruction and just had ground targets this would help. Why? Well it would entice people to come down to low altitude fighting wizzing between the scenery like we used to do in the low tier games as that was a lot more fun I'm sure you'll agree. The problem with this is that it is not very realistic (but this is arcade so who cares?) and it screws over planes that only perform well at high altitude (which is the big issue with this idea)

 

One last thing I would like to point out

 

Bomber spam is not an issue if pilots stop being lazy and climb to the bombers (having said that this happens really frequently but people on the forums still seem to be complaining), there are plenty of planes more than capable of doing it. The reason you don't do it is that dogfighting is way more fun and actually you just want to be doing that instead of playing the objective (this also happens in domination)

 

Edit: One or two spelling corrections

Edited August 27, 2014 by Hughmiliator

[ThePandanator2 7,320]

We mostly refer to bomber spammers as B-17 spammers. Do 217 isn't am aboose plane. I use it quite often myself, 4000 kg of German 'splosion :3

[Facehurt 2,041]

Arcade bomber spamming doesnt really matter because using high caliber fighters is more viable there and climbing up to the bombers doesnt take half the time it does in the other modes

 

Also base bombing is kinda expected in arcade now especially at tier 3s+, and arcade is one of the few modes that objectives are completed before 90% of the people die because of the multiple respawns and the maps are bias towards one side automatically winning because of ground forces and such

 

So if you are a bomber in arcade, you should pride yourself in playing the objective on none autowin maps getting swarmed by yak9ts and such lol

 

Welcome to the forums anyways, that said we need to make a support group for bomber spammers now because of all the trauma they're getting (Your post is proof of that)

[Hopit 4,416]

Arcade bomber spamming doesnt really matter because using high caliber fighters is more viable there and climbing up to the bombers doesnt take half the time it does in the other modes

 

Also base bombing is kinda expected in arcade now especially at tier 3s+, and arcade is one of the few modes that objectives are completed before 90% of the people die because of the multiple respawns and the maps are bias towards one side automatically winning because of ground forces and such

 

So if you are a bomber in arcade, you should pride yourself in playing the objective on none autowin maps getting swarmed by yak9ts and such lol

 

Welcome to the forums anyways, that said we need to make a support group for bomber spammers now because of all the trauma they're getting (Your post is proof of that)

True, fighters can climb fast in arcade.

That doesn't mean bombers can't finish that match fast in arcade.

[Hughmiliator 5]

Ahh I see, I have witnessed the destruction B-17s gunners can cause, my Do217s however are much weaker but as you have said 4000kg awesomeness. :)

[cortez14 375]

If you think that playing fighters to unlock your first jet then you are probably not going to enjoy it. With the amount of RP required to unlock the upgrades, you will have practically unlocked another jet.

[Hughmiliator 5]

Cortez14, Sorry do you mean that I'm not going to enjoy using a jet?

[cortez14 375]

Cortez14, Sorry do you mean that I'm not going to enjoy using a jet?

 

Not necessarily, what I meant is that in order for you to upgrade your jet you will have to fly it a lot. If you get bored of flying the same planes all of the time, it might not be so fun. I'm just saying that with a tier IV lineup you have a bunch of different planes to fly, when I take a jet into a match I usually only take one or two. That being said, it is much different gameplay than high tiered props, it can just get monotonous.

[Lt_PeteMitchell 920]

 

One last thing I would like to point out

 

Bomber spam is not an issue if pilots stop being lazy and climb to the bombers (having said that this happens really frequently but people on the forums still seem to be complaining), there are plenty of planes more than capable of doing it. The reason you don't do it is that dogfighting is way more fun and actually you just want to be doing that instead of playing the objective (this also happens in domination)

 

 

I don't really want to open this can of worms as there is already another thread about the very topic going on.

 

All the same...  + 1

 

I play bombers a lot too and would say that in at least 70% of games I play , there are at most 3-4 enemy fighters that attempt to climb up to get me or any of my other bomber comrades. 

 

1-2 of those then disappear almost immediately when they chase the first bomber that dives....  :good:

 

So at worst, those bombers that decide to stay at altitude have 1-2 fighters to deal with and if you can survive that you are basically free to do whatever you like as those that do climb only seem to do so on the initial spawn.

 

After they lose thier first plane it's almost like they say "oh well, I had a go at stopping the bombers, now I'll leave it to someone else.... "   Again....   :good:

 

Mid-match, there may be 1-2 that try and climb up when they realise their base is being destroyed, but by that time it is often far too late to stop what is going on.

 

 

So yeah....    

 

 

Basically what I am saying is that from a bombers point of view, "bomber spam" is only what it is because fighter pilots, in the main, make the job far too easy**

 

In games where a large group of fighters make a concerted and sustained effort (communicating squadrons are good at this), it is much much harder and I/we often get no where near the main airfield.

 

 

** In the recent "will to win" challenges, I completed the 40/40 for both Germany & Japan, playing mainly bombers. Did that in arounf 20 hours total game time and most of the opposition/competition I had came from my own team mates...    :?s   

Edited August 28, 2014 by Lt_PeteMitchell

[Lt_PeteMitchell 920]

We mostly refer to bomber spammers as B-17 spammers. Do 217 isn't am aboose plane. I use it quite often myself, 4000 kg of German 'splosion :3

 

^^^^  this is another contributing factor to the "bomber spam"

 

Do 217's are far more dangerous (imo) to an oppositions bases than B-17's, Yer's, B-24's..etc, and shouldn't be overlooked.

 

Lost count of the number of times where an enemy fighter (one of the few that bothered to climb) had a choice of attacking me in a Do 217 and a team mate in a Heavy bomber, and they go straight for the heavy and leave me alone.

 

No idea why.  Maybe it is as simplistic as them looking at the scorecard for threatening bombers and only going for the ones in purple (heavys)? 

 

Fine by me...  :good:

Edited August 28, 2014 by Lt_PeteMitchell

[Sarin 2,329]

I think it's because people don't check and are used to Do-217 being fighters.

 

Anyway....one of main factors contributing to bomber spam that should not be overlooked is the RP gain. I took out TB-3 today just for fun, and ended up being ignored and destroying enemy airfield. No premium, no x2, no talisman, and I gained 3200 RP...that's on Tier I.

 

While a good victory on Tier IV when flying fighters/attackers (meaning 8+ kills and some ground targets) gives barely 2k RP.

[GeneraIKrizmuz 6,998]

>Do-217

>arcade

[Der_Kompressor 9,185]

People really underestimate the Do-217 E/K/M series.  They're not heavily defended, but they can easily escape by crash diving.  And since they can dive bomb too, it means that they don't need to level out after a crash dive before dropping their payload.

And let's not forget their max payload is a highly concentrated 4 metric tons of German-boom.

And their defensive armament isn't that weak.  You're talking about a decent 20mm turret an a forward firing MG151/20, so it precludes the possibility of taking them head on for the pilot kill.

 

With all that being said, I don't think the Do-217 is unbalanced.  It takes a reasonable, but not absurd amount of damage, and it's gunners aren't that superhuman accurate or deadly.

Edited August 28, 2014 by Der_Auslander

[_Skippy_ 240]

People really underestimate the Do-217 E/K/M series.  They're not heavily defended, but they can easily escape by crash diving.  And since they can dive bomb too, it means that they don't need to level out after a crash dive before dropping their payload.

And let's not forget their max payload is a highly concentrated 4 metric tons of German-boom.

And their defensive armament isn't that weak.  You're talking about a decent 20mm turret an a forward firing MG151/20, so it precludes the possibility of taking them head on for the pilot kill.
 
With all that being said, I don't think the Do-217 is unbalanced.  It takes a reasonable, but not absurd amount of damage, and it's gunners aren't that superhuman accurate or deadly.

All of this. Speed, maneuverability, and allowable angles of bombing make the Do-217 that much more effective in taking out a base compared to B-17s. Heck, the 2 lower BR models even have front guns which come in handy for head ons. Perhaps the biggest disadvantage compared to the B-17s is durability, but as has been said a couple of times already, if you're that much better at evading you don't have to worry that much about getting hit.

The clearest example I personally have is that I was able to clear Win to Win for my US using my B-17G in 4+ days, but it only took me 2+ days to do the same (playing the same # of hours per day) for my Germans using my Do-217.

[SunsetShimmers 7,929]

One last thing I would like to point out

 

Bomber spam is not an issue if pilots stop being lazy and climb to the bombers (having said that this happens really frequently but people on the forums still seem to be complaining), there are plenty of planes more than capable of doing it.

 

The reason people don't do go after bombers is because most fighters just aren't suited to killing bombers, it is unrewarding, and it is a hell of a lot easier to just spam bombers themselves than go after enemy bombers in a fighter.

 

When people see half the enemy team in heavy bombers, most of the time they have already put the game down as ending in under 7 minutes, so they'll go kill some stuff at low altitude instead of wasting time climbing to maybe score 1 kill before the battle ends.

It is more fun, and more rewarding, so that is what people do.

 

And if they aren't flying a fighter suited to killing bombers like a Bf 109, Fw 190, Me 410, P-63 or Yak-9T/K/P? Forget about, it's a waste of time going after bombers like B-17s and G8N1s.

Do 217s can be killed by other fighters due to weak defensive armament, but due to their speed, agility and decent durability, it takes a fair amount of time (so it is unrewarding), so most people just don't bother and look for easier targets.

 

 

With the difficulties in killing bombers, it is easier to just spam bombers instead; can't beat em, so might aswell join them.

 

The problem isn't people being lazy, but  arcade being highly unbalanced in favor of bombers.

[NectariaCoutayar 16,573]

I've been getting a lot more xp in my toothpick 410's lately...and by that, I mean a lot. You think it's linked to the bomber spam?

[BrutalForce 587]

Good, more food for my G6/G10.

Since 1.41 i play mostly German fighters because the huge amount of bombers. Bombers are easy food for German fighters.

[TheForestRoger27 1,100]

 

 

Basically what I am saying is that from a bombers point of view, "bomber spam" is only what it is because fighter pilots, in the main, make the job far too easy**

 

If I never played WT before and if this was my first visit to forums and if your post was my first post read on these forums I would think:
"Oh, I get it. Learning curve. Players don't adapt too well. They should gain new skills. OK......".

 

You are not making any sense.

 

When it comes to vehicles their strength exponentially grows (biplanes = light armor vehicles, followed by medium tanks, then heavy tanks as you move up through BR's).

Bases and airfield remain untouched, they don't get exponentially stronger which is super retarded and that's the whole point and the biggest part of the problem.

 

Players just use tools, players don't create broken tools, they abuse broken tools.

Decent developers remove broken and buggy items from their game.

B-17 is broken beyond belief. It's a fact.

Since Gaijin can only dream about WT being a decent e-sports game they don't need to remove anything that is broken.

Broken? So what, let's have broken items for months, for a year, who cares. It's not a new thing, I've seen so many incompetent dev teams failing completely to address the core problems with their game and just let the players quit the game on a daily basis because of that, the first sign of that is that playerbase doesn't grow, its size stalls.

 

What do you think it would happen if some champion in LoL or in Dota2 was so broken like B-17 is in this game?

Would someone let the B-17 to go through pick/bans phase so that it can instantly destroy towers at level 1

and destroy Nexus? Or any other higher BR bomber?

 

Are the players guilty for not hunting down bombers, is Gaijin incompetent to fix the problem, does Gaijin don't want to fix anything because short matches is a way of milking money so that players are forced to spend money to feel any progress,

in the end who cares really.

The whole point is this: <4.7 BR matches = fun. Beyond that the game is utter garbage. Like it was created by another completely incompetent team of amateur developers who didn't even play the game and to test it how it works.

 

I have unlocked all rank 4 planes and upgraded them all, except Japan.

I won't touch WT even with a 10 foot pole until they fix higher BR matches so they are fun to play just like 1-3 rank matches are.

[ZuXxx 862]

Do217 is better and more lethal than those B17 for bombing, the dive capability is awezum .....  :salute:

[Badballie 1,219]

To be honest I am spamming at the moment, but I really don't have much choice in the matter, I am busy "eliting" all my aircraft, and current the only things I have to fly are bombers, so without enough fighters to flesh out each BR at each level using bombers is unavoidable at present.

[Hopit 4,416]

The reason people don't do go after bombers is because most fighters just aren't suited to killing bombers, it is unrewarding, and it is a hell of a lot easier to just spam bombers themselves than go after enemy bombers in a fighter.

 

When people see half the enemy team in heavy bombers, most of the time they have already put the game down as ending in under 7 minutes, so they'll go kill some stuff at low altitude instead of wasting time climbing to maybe score 1 kill before the battle ends.

It is more fun, and more rewarding, so that is what people do.

 

And if they aren't flying a fighter suited to killing bombers like a Bf 109, Fw 190, Me 410, P-63 or Yak-9T/K/P? Forget about, it's a waste of time going after bombers like B-17s and G8N1s.

Do 217s can be killed by other fighters due to weak defensive armament, but due to their speed, agility and decent durability, it takes a fair amount of time (so it is unrewarding), so most people just don't bother and look for easier targets.

 

 

With the difficulties in killing bombers, it is easier to just spam bombers instead; can't beat em, so might aswell join them.

 

The problem isn't people being lazy, but  arcade being highly unbalanced in favor of bombers.

This.

Listen to this guy.

He knows what he's talking about.

[Stahlvormund101 12,039]

I had to ace my Fw190 D-12 lately. My entire business (after Engine Injection ofc) was climbing to bombers and shooting them down.

 

I usually left the match with 0 deaths. If the will is there, bombers aint a problem.

[Lt_PeteMitchell 920]

You are not making any sense.

 

 

What?  

 

What could possibly not make sense?

 

Lets try again...

• I have spent a lot of time in this game as a bomber pilot. 
• On this issue I am speaking from the perspective of a bomber pilot.
• In at least 70% of games I play as a bomber pilot, there are no more than 1-2 enemy fighters anywhere near me or any other non diving bombers in my team. We are basically left free to do as we please. Those games, unsurprisingly, end quickly
• In the other 30% of games, fighters do actually make the effort, the high threat bombers are taken out and the game goes on for much, much longer.

Obvious conclusion: "bomber spam" is only what it is because fighter pilots, in the main, make the job far too easy.

 

 

B-17 is broken beyond belief. It's a fact.

 

 

Please state facts.

 

Take note of the following, and state how these "facts" relate to the "bomber spam" issue.

 

- Bomb loads are not broken.

- Bases are not going anywhere (They could, admittedly, be a bit more resilient and/or their destruction possibly not lead to the end of a match, but how is any of that the fault of a "broken" B-17?).

- Fighters pilots will still continue to ignore them, so regardless of anything, bombers will still be left to do whatever they like.

 

 

 

I have unlocked all rank 4 planes and upgraded them all, except Japan.

 

 

No you haven't.

Excluding Japan you've only used around half of all tier IV vehicles, and not surprisingly only one of these is a bomber (B-17G).

 

Maybe I should have checked that first before spending time replying to another fighter pilot who most likely falls into the "do nothing in a match about bombers, then come to rage about them in the forums" category.....

[Lt_PeteMitchell 920]

The reason people don't do go after bombers is because most fighters just aren't suited to killing bombers, it is unrewarding, and it is a hell of a lot easier to just spam bombers themselves than go after enemy bombers in a fighter.

 

When people see half the enemy team in heavy bombers, most of the time they have already put the game down as ending in under 7 minutes, so they'll go kill some stuff at low altitude instead of wasting time climbing to maybe score 1 kill before the battle ends.

It is more fun, and more rewarding, so that is what people do.

 

And if they aren't flying a fighter suited to killing bombers like a Bf 109, Fw 190, Me 410, P-63 or Yak-9T/K/P? Forget about, it's a waste of time going after bombers like B-17s and G8N1s.

Do 217s can be killed by other fighters due to weak defensive armament, but due to their speed, agility and decent durability, it takes a fair amount of time (so it is unrewarding), so most people just don't bother and look for easier targets.

 

 

With the difficulties in killing bombers, it is easier to just spam bombers instead; can't beat em, so might aswell join them.

 

The problem isn't people being lazy, but  arcade being highly unbalanced in favor of bombers.

 

Fun, probably.

 

Rewarding....  nope.

What seems to be lost on most people is that that 2-3 kills and a victory is actually far more rewarding than 5-6 kills and a loss.

[SunsetShimmers 7,929]

Fun, probably.

 

Rewarding....  nope.

What seems to be lost on most people is that that 2-3 kills and a victory is actually far more rewarding than 5-6 kills and a loss.

 

If the enemy team has a large bomber advantage, it doesn't matter if you climb and shoot 1 or 2 down; the team will lose anyway.

So it is better to go find easier targets and score 5-6 kills and lose, because the 2-3 kills and win just isn't going to happen with that scenario.

 

About the only time intercepting bombers is useful is when each team has a comparable bomber strength, and even then most people just don't bother because it still feels like a random dice roll to who wins.

They aren't correct about that, but the situation has made a lot of players discouraged from even trying.