Aircraft/Loadouts Il 28 Sh

[The_Emptiness 1,006]

This is attacker version of standart Il 28.

2x23mm in the nose

2x23mm in tail turrent

 

http://en.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/t/72185/start/-1

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/attack/il28sh.html

http://www.dogswar.ru/oryjeinaia-ekzotika/aviaciia/5039-shtyrmovik-il-28sh-.html

 

Edited November 21, 2014 by xxxThe_Ghostxxx

[Smin1080p_WT 60,444]

Open for discussion  :salute:

 

However the current IL-28 already has 23mm in the nose ?

[Borotovas 4,500]

It would be logical to put this into the attacker line if this version is an attacker. And to place the other Il-28 into the bomber tree.

[The_Emptiness 1,006]

It would be logical to put this into the attacker line if this version is an attacker. And to place the other Il-28 into the bomber tree.

Exactly. Can you imagine the fire power? 1000kg of bombs in bomb bay and 12 pylons for rocket packs (32 rockets in each) or 6 machine gun or cannon containers. 

 

Open for discussion  :salute:

 

However the current IL-28 already has 23mm in the nose ?

correct now

Edited November 21, 2014 by xxxThe_Ghostxxx

[Polaco97 1,353]

Seriously DON'T add it while you DON'T fix the BR first.

[Borotovas 4,500]

Exactly. Can you imagine the fire power? 1000kg of bombs in bomb bay and 12 pylons for rocket packs (32 rockets in each) or 6 machine gun or cannon containers. 

I hope that's not paired up with props like the Bf 109. It should face Sabres.

[Valkyrian0 2,245]

lets fix the current IL-28's BR first, that thing needs to be 7.3 BR not 6.7, compared to all the other jet bombers it is the only one with guns (not counting the R2Y2's as bombers).

 

look at the new Canberra mk.6, it has 4 x 20mm cannons and that get a BR 7.3 which is more then fair, so why does the IL-28 get to keep its lower BR of 6.7.

and I won't even start on the tail gunner abuse with that thing.

[Borotovas 4,500]

lets fix the current IL-28's BR first, that thing needs to be 7.3 BR not 6.7, compared to all the other jet bombers it is the only one with guns (not counting the R2Y2's as bombers).
 
look at the new Canberra mk.6, it has 4 x 20mm cannons and that get a BR 7.3 which is more then fair, so why does the IL-28 get to keep its lower BR of 6.7.
and I won't even start on the tail gunner abuse with that thing.

This game really isn't balanced well.

[WulfPack 1,693]

looks like fun.

[Fifty_Calories 619]

This is attacker version of standart Il 28.

2x23mm in the nose

2x23mm in tail turrent

 

http://en.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/t/72185/start/-1

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/attack/il28sh.html

http://www.dogswar.ru/oryjeinaia-ekzotika/aviaciia/5039-shtyrmovik-il-28sh-.html

 

Those look like UB-32 or UB-16-57 rocket launchers, which were probably not introduced during WT timeline. 

[JEI2 5,766]

Yes please! +1

[WulfPack 1,693]

Maybe move the Il-28 to the bomber line and put this variant in its place in the attacker line?

[WulfPack 1,693]

Those look like UB-32 or UB-16-57 rocket launchers, which were probably not introduced during WT timeline. 

This variant is both in the timeline and out of it, as conversation took place in 67'. However considering it's a modification of a basic IL-28, there isn't any major reason for it not to come into the game.

[_Sync 1,028]

Fix the BR first, then add

[MercedesBenzW123 8,535]

BR has been fixed hasn't it?
Would be a hell of a plane in GF

[igeticsu 3,400]

If you are going to suggest something, make a propper suggestion, please. I oppose to this simply because you are not really explaining at all what you are talking about, and I dont want to cycle through a bunch of sources to figure it out. Thats your job as a suggestion creator. So no for now :)

 

Also even if I were to cycle through the sources myself I would prefer ENGLISH sources! Not Russian.

Edited July 2, 2016 by igeticsu

[McPuff 2,212]

Add more information and a poll. From reading the text it's impossible to know what is differnet from this vehicle to the standard IL-28. You should also add a section about why and how you want it to be added.

[WulfPack 1,693]

If you are going to suggest something, make a propper suggestion, please. I oppose to this simply because you are not really explaining at all what you are talking about, and I dont want to cycle through a bunch of sources to figure it out. Thats your job as a suggestion creator. So no for now :)

 

Also even if I were to cycle through the sources myself I would prefer ENGLISH sources! Not Russian.

Russian sources are fine for a suggestion.

[igeticsu 3,400]

Russian sources are fine for a suggestion.

Not when you barely post anything in the suggestion itself. That is just not okay in any way. All I can really take from this is that it's an another IL-28 and then theres a picture. No more usefull information for me. 

[WulfPack 1,693]

Not when you barely post anything in the suggestion itself. That is just not okay in any way. All I can really take from this is that it's an another IL-28 and then theres a picture. No more usefull information for me. 

IL-28SH was developed by OKB Ilyushin on the IL-28 jet bomber. The project had 2 attempts made at it. The first design being developed in the late 50ies and was to replace the bomb bay with 20 unguided rocket launchers. Test showed that when firing the rockets would result in a loss of control. This design was thusly abandoned.

The project was then continued in the late 60ies. After the Sino-Soviet conflict in 1967, part of the still surviving bombers could be made into a heavy ground attack aircraft, the IL-28SH. In the same year, the technical specs were formed for it. Besides the internal bomb bay, the bomber was to have a total 12 hardpoints on the wings. A variety of weapons could be fitted to those hardpoints, the UB-16-57 with NUR Type C-5,the heavier C-24, universal gun pods UPK-23-250, and bombs up to the FAB-500. 

Additional equipment in the cabin would allow the pilot to release the payload from all the pylons or from 2, 4, etc. The IL-28SH was intended to operate at extremely low altitudes (60 meters). The cabin provided the pilot with a good overview of the battlefield and helped greatly when landing on unpaved runways. The top speed of the SH at low altitude was 410 MPH, fuel consumption was increased by 50% and the range was found to be 183 miles. The armor on the SH was strengthened, when compared the normal IL-28. The combat flights were not expected to exceed 4 hours. 

In 1967 the Air Force converted 2 IL-28s to the SH designation. State tests started in the fall of 1967. According to the testing, SH could be recommended for operations with small and extremely low altitudes. Dispite the close placement of the hardpoints (in relation to the engines), firing a rocket salvo caused no problems. Flying below 60 meters requires a very experienced pilot. 

 

 

 

Performance characteristics of the IL-28SH 

Wingspan: 70 feet

Length: 57 feet

Height: 22 feet

Wing area: 654 sq feet

Weight:- 

Empty: 29,101 lbs

Normal: 41,138 lbs

Maximum: 48,000 lbs

Engine: 2 VC-1

Thrust: 5400 KGF of total thrust

Max speed: 503 mph

Cruising speed: 410 mph

Practical range: 745 miles

Combat range: 183 miles

Ceiling: 41,000 feet

Crew: 3

Armament:-

2 fixed NR-23 23mm cannons with 100 RPG

2 flexible rear firing NR-23 23mm cannons with 225 RPG

Up to 1000kg in the internal bomb bay

12 external hardpoints(6 per wing) 

Edited July 4, 2016 by WulfPack

[WulfPack 1,693]

Here is the UPK-23-250 gunpod. It might be a bit op if it can carry 12 of these.

Edited July 4, 2016 by WulfPack

[igeticsu 3,400]

IL-28SH was developed by OKB Ilyushin on the IL-28 jet bomber. The project had 2 attempts made at it. The first design being developed in the late 50ies and was to replace the bomb bay with 20 unguided rocket launchers. Test showed that when firing the rockets would result in a loss of control. This design was thusly abandoned.

The project was then continued in the late 60ies. After the Sino-Soviet conflict in 1967, part of the still surviving bombers could be made into a heavy ground attack aircraft, the IL-28SH. In the same year, the technical specs were formed for it. Besides the internal bomb bay, the bomber was to have a total 12 hardpoints on the wings. A variety of weapons could be fitted to those hardpoints, the UB-16-57 with NUR Type C-5,the heavier C-24, universal gun pods UPK-23-250, and bombs up to the FAB-500. 

Additional equipment in the cabin would allow the pilot to release the payload from all the pylons or from 2, 4, etc. The IL-28SH was intended to operate at extremely low altitudes (60 meters). The cabin provided the pilot with a good overview of the battlefield and helped greatly when landing on unpaved runways. The top speed of the SH at low altitude was 410 MPH, fuel consumption was increased by 50% and the range was found to be 183 miles. The armor on the SH was strengthened, when compared the normal IL-28. The combat flights were not expected to exceed 4 hours. 

In 1967 the Air Force converted to IL-28s to the SH designation. State tests started in the fall of 1967. According to the testing, SH could be recommended for operations with small and extremely low altitudes. Dispite the close placement of the hardpoints (in relation to the engines), firing a rocket salvo caused no problems. Flying below 60 meters requires a very experienced pilot. 

 

 

 

Performance characteristics of the IL-28SH 

Wingspan: 70 feet

Length: 57 feet

Height: 22 feet

Wing area: 654 sq feet

Weight:- 

Empty: 29,101 lbs

Normal: 41,138 lbs

Maximum: 48,000 lbs

Engine: 2 VC-1

Thrust: 5400 KGF of total thrust

Max speed: 503 mph

Cruising speed: 410 mph

Practical range: 745 miles

Combat range: 183 miles

Ceiling: 41,000 feet

Crew: 3

Armament:-

2 fixed NR-23 23mm cannons with 100 RPG

2 flexible rear firing NR-23 23mm cannons with 225 RPG

Up to 1000kg in the internal bomb bay

12 external hardpoints(6 per wing) 

Aaand that was a much better explination than the suggestion itself :P Thanks. 

Also I wouldn't mind this in the attacker line and the other IL-28 we have in the game moved to the bomber line.

[WulfPack 1,693]

Aaand that was a much better explination than the suggestion itself :P Thanks. 

Also I wouldn't mind this in the attacker line and the other IL-28 we have in the game moved to the bomber line.

What BR could it be placed at? I'm worried about someone loading it up with 12 gun pods. 

[igeticsu 3,400]

What BR could it be placed at? I'm worried about someone loading it up with 12 gun pods. 

12 gunpods would just make it less effective at bombing and make it a worse performing fighter :P 8.0 (I would say 8.3 so as to not make it face low performance jets).

[WulfPack 1,693]

12 gunpods would just make it less effective at bombing and make it a worse performing fighter :P 8.0 (I would say 8.3 so as to not make it face low performance jets).

It would be putting down about 707 23mm shells per second. Rip any plane that gets in front of it.