Tanks/Vehicles PT-76 / ASU-57

[GottMittens 259]

Hey,

 

These are just some additions that I think would fit well in the game. I'm interested to hear what anyone else has to say, also.

 

PT-76 (Plavayushchiy Tank-76, Floating Tank-76) I want to say that this was already suggested and is listed as such, however the topic is long dead and I believe a re-ignition of the topic wouldn't hurt.

 

 

This is an unusual vehicle, at least in contrast to other vehicles in War Thunder. Designed following the second World War, at a time when the concept & use of Light Tanks was being reconsidered and reused by the Soviet Union following experiences during the War, it was used almost exclusively as an Amphibious Reconnaissance Vehicle and, to a lesser extent, in a Fire Support role by members of the Warsaw Pact & friendly Nations, namely the Soviet Union, North Korea, North Vietnam and Iraq; a total of 25 countries owned and operated the vehicle in some way.

 

As-is common with Soviet vehicles of the time, it was widely produced (over 12,000 total) and saw service in several wars & disputes from the Vietnam War right up to the Invasion of Iraq. It was also used as a base for even more vehicles, the chassis being used in some way on the ZSU-23-4 'Shilka' & ASU-85 among others. It was also modified heavily by nations that operated them over time.

 

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Dimensions (L-W-H) ::            6.91/7.63 oa x 3.15 x 2.30 m 

                                             22ft 6in/25 ft oa x 10ft 3in x 7ft 5in

Total weight, battle ready ::   14.6 Tons (32 200 lbs)

Crew ::                                  3 (Commander, Driver, Loader)

Propulsion ::                         V6 Diesel, 240 hp (176 kW)

Speed ::                                44 km/h (27 mph) on land / 10.2 km/h (6.3 mph) swimming

Armament ::                          76.2mm D-56T rifled (40 rds) / 7.62mm SGMT MG (1000 rds)

Armor (max) ::                       20 mm (0.7 in)

 

 

 

SEE: 

http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/USSR/soviet_PT-76.php

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/pt-76lat/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PT-76

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ASU-57 (Aviadesantnaya Samokhodnaya Ustanovka-57)

 

Another odd vehicle that has no real other counterpart nor shares any similarity (at least as far as intended purpose is concerned) in-game.

Designed soon after the second World War, it was intended to fill a gap that was created when the Soviet Airborne were separated from the main branch, leaving it with no real armoured vehicle support. This was to be fixed with the introduction of a small, lightly armoured self-propelled gun that could be dropped by plane to accompany landing Airborne troops. It went through several different phases and designs, originally intended to mount the same 76.2mm as on the PT-76, but was found to be too heavy. Instead, it was reduced to a smaller 57mm which was eventually found to be light enough to work and was soon put into service. It was also exported to Soviet-aligned countries, or countries that were friendly towards the Soviet Union, such as Egypt and Vietnam.

 

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Weight:                                  3.4 Tons

Armament:                             1x Ch-51 or Ch-51M L/73 57mm Gun with 30 rounds

Total Traverse:                      16 degrees

Elevation:                              -5 to +12

Engine:Early:                         Early: B-70 or A-72 engines: 4 cylinder water cooled gasoline engines, producing 50 hp

                                              Later: M-20ES, 4 cylinder water cooled gasoline engine, producing 55 hp at 3600 RPM                                        

Crew:                                     3 (Driver, Gunner, Loader) + 6  Passengers

Armor:                                   6mm // virtually non-existent

Length:                                 3.48 meters (11 feet, 6 inches )

Height:                                  1.18 meters (3 feet, 10 inches)

Width:                                   2.82 meters (6 feet, 10 inches)

Maximum Speed:                   45 km/h (28 mph)

 

 

 

SEE:

http://www.russianwarrior.com/STMMain.htm?1947vec_ASU57.htm&1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASU-57

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[leroyonly 4,311]

even though the PT 76 has been previously suggested, open for discussion

[JEI2 5,766]

Gib ASU-57

[mistomaxo 446]

the ASU-57, do you suggest it should come before or after the su76? or be in "the same folder" with it? im not sure what role it will be filling that isnt already adequately filled by other extant early soviet tds

 

the pt 76 now, that is interesting! the soviets lack latter-tier light tanks. what is known about its gun's penetration values and ammo types? 76mm sounds like a modest size, but does it fire some extra-advanced ammunition?

[mistomaxo 446]

getting an amphibious vehicle, such as the pt-76, working in the game would also help pave the way for future amphibious machines, such as a couple of japan's vehicles.

 

but, the big question is, would even a single penetrating hit ruin its flotation ability completely?

 

the wikipedia article offers some penetration values for the pt-76s gun as well, but the section there does not cite any sources, so that does not sound too trustworthy.

 

are there any websites that -are- considered good sources for this kind of info?

 

also i hope you forgive this transparent bump to the topic

[Abgeschossene 10,084]

Maybe ASU-85 too?

[mistomaxo 446]

the asu-57 could be folded into or come right after the zis-30 quite comfortably, i think

 

also, ive been doing some thinking regarding the pt-76

 

since amphibious machines demand some prep work in order for them to be ready to swim, perhaps that is why some are hesitant to include them.

 

but, if activities such as track-repair and well, all other repairs, can be carried out by "invisible crew", i think a similar shortcut would be readily accepted by the playerbase when it comes to the affixing or removing of proper swimming equipment to amphibious gf vehicles. park somewhere safe, hit a key, wait while the crew invisibly does the job, and then roll out. or swim out.

 

although that still does not solve the question of what circumstances or extent of damage should make an amphibious vehicle sink or simply no longer even begin to float anymore

[GottMittens 259]

1 | the ASU-57, do you suggest it should come before or after the su76? or be in "the same folder" with it? im not sure what role it will be filling that isnt already adequately filled by other extant early soviet tds

 

2 | the pt 76 now, that is interesting! the soviets lack latter-tier light tanks. what is known about its gun's penetration values and ammo types? 76mm sounds like a modest size, but does it fire some extra-advanced ammunition?

 

1 | I'm not sure, to be perfectly honest. This is an old submission and, at the time, I thought it would be best suited at BR 3.3-4.3. Admittedly it lacks any considerable armour, but it does offer speed and a decent gun, accompanied by very small and very low silhouette.

 

2 |  See here & here. They list the available ammunition, including BK-350M (HEAT) which is capable of penetrating 280mm at all ranges albeit with a very low velocity. Here you can find information about the penetration of regular APHE & HVAP rounds.

Don't get me wrong, the PT-76 is not a Soviet M41; it is designed to be a fast amphibious reconnaissance vehicle, so the armament is best used against infantry and lightly-armoured vehicles, although HEAT does give it the potential to defeat larger tanks.

 

getting an amphibious vehicle, such as the pt-76, working in the game would also help pave the way for future amphibious machines, such as a couple of japan's vehicles.

 

1 | but, the big question is, would even a single penetrating hit ruin its flotation ability completely?

 

the wikipedia article offers some penetration values for the pt-76s gun as well, but the section there does not cite any sources, so that does not sound too trustworthy.

 

2 | are there any websites that -are- considered good sources for this kind of info?

 

also i hope you forgive this transparent bump to the topic

 

1 | See here. The PT-76 was equipped with a bilge pump, allowing it to stay afloat even after being hit. That said, I don't know whether that is a hole from a 12.7mm round or 100mm. I'm sure there are other sources out that that would give a more detailed response.

 

2 | I can't say definitively. You'd have to do your own research and compare information found on different websites and sources to get credible information, as should be done with all things related to Military vehicles.

 

Maybe ASU-85 too?

 

That's a possibility now, yeah. At the time I was still under the impression that the cut-off was 1953, but with it being extended into the 1960's that stands a good chance of being added, or at least proposed.

Edited February 3, 2015 by ThePixarLamp

[_Katyusha_ 1,829]

PT 76 is basically a proto BMP isn't it? At least in shape and construction. The difference being the latter was an APC.

[Abgeschossene 10,084]

PT-76 confirmed.

 

Now, why don't we get the Zhalo S? Ukrainian BTR with a 85mm.

[Guest]

BUUUMP

[ustinodj 5,952]

They should add the PT-76, the M551 Sheridan, Underwater equipment for Maus, and the D-Day M4, in a amphibious tank update.

[Querulous1 3,276]

Yes, if possible

Also add all tier 1-3 vehicles from AW whilst you are about it. They will all be suggested sooner or later.

[Naam54673 1,537]

+1.And add a poll.

[Volger50616 119]

Will say, if Gaijin allows developers to add cold war tanks, they should at least split the MM in different eras. I really dont want to play in my Tiger I & II against IS-3s, T-54s, M48 Pattons, Leopards, T-10Ms and now people suggesting PT-76s. I'm not opposed to the idea of adding the PT-76, I would love to see cold war tanks rolling out but there must be a MM change...increasing the BR of the IS-3 and cold war won't help at all.  :salute:  :good:

[Kazumi_ 6,575]

you do realize the ASU-57 had an amphibious variant, which was the ASU-57P. 5 protos made, not a single tank was officially produced.

[CokeSpray 7,274]

Moved to Implemented suggestions.