Tanks/Vehicles German premium: StuG 43 852(i)

[Evil_Wehraboo 398]

Hi folks!

Today i will suggest a interesting tank, the Ansaldo Semovente M42T da 75/46.



This tank destroyer was designed and build after Italy surender to the Alleids and the northern half of Italy, including the Ansaldo factorys, was occupied by the Germans. In order of the Germans Ansaldo redesign the Semovente M42 da 75/34 and fit them with a 75mm Cannone da 75/46 C.A. Modello 34. The result was named Semovente M42T da 75/46. The "T" in the description stand for "Tedesco" and means "German". This tank destroyer was exclusifly used by the German Wehrmacht under the description Sturmgeschütz 43 852(i).



General characteristics

Crew: 3 men
Length: 5,07m (hull) / 6,04m (with gun)
Width: 2,40m
High: 1,75m
Weight: 15,7t
Engine: SPA 15TB M-15 diesel with 192PS
Speed: 38km/h (onroad)
Range: 150km (onroad)
Suspension: vertical volute spring
Main armament: 75mm Cannone da 75/46 C.A. Modello 34
Secundary armament: 1x 8mm Breda Modello 38 MG
Armor: 15-100mm



Sources:

http://www.wardrawings.be/WW2/Files/1-Vehicles/Axis/2-Italy/04-SPG/Semovente-M42%2875-46%29/Data/Semovente-da75-46-M42.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semovente_75/46

http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/italy/Semovente_Da_75-46.php

[CokeSpray 7,274]

Open for discussion.  :salute:

[ThaHaze 1,588]

OMG, HEWLL YEUH! This would be a great premium no doubts.

[BeZi 3,959]

+1 Would like to see it

[Aythiss 190]

Definitely. Mass produced, used in combat, and looks excellent. Definitely a good premium TD for the Germans. +1

[Evil_Wehraboo 398]

Definitely. Mass produced, used in combat, and looks excellent. Definitely a good premium TD for the Germans. +1

Hm, mass produced is nice said ^^ ... depending on the source there wasproduced just 11 to 15 series tanks ^^'''

[Aythiss 190]

Smart person. I meant compared to some of these paper tanks being recommended. 11 is a lot more than 0 yes? :P Anyways, it was manufactured and used.

[mistomaxo 446]

as the factories were taken by germans and the resultant vehicles used by germans, it would indeed be quite at home as a german prem

 

do any detailed technical drawings or intact examples remain, to check armor thicknesses and module/crew layout against?

 

the gun is an italian 75mm, does it and its ammunition perform any different than german guns of similar dimensions?

[Evil_Wehraboo 398]

as the factories were taken by germans and the resultant vehicles used by germans, it would indeed be quite at home as a german prem

 

do any detailed technical drawings or intact examples remain, to check armor thicknesses and module/crew layout against?

 

the gun is an italian 75mm, does it and its ammunition perform any different than german guns of similar dimensions?

Still search for such pics. The internet is a little bit sparse at this point. But at least i found the information that the 75mm Cannone da 75/46 C.A. Modello 34 was adapted to can fire the German ammunition like they was used for the 7,5cm PaK 40 L/46.

Edited March 4, 2015 by MP86

[Warlord1981NL 2,235]

Yes, I would like this tank to be a part of War Thunder!

[Galen503 548]

looks like a fun tank. Great original and realistic suggestion. Good luck and good tanking. 

[SyngedWaffles 337]

it will probs already be in the italian ground tech tree when it comes out.

[ezattilabatyi 195]

+1 Indeed, a vehicle which has its place in the game.

[Evil_Wehraboo 398]

it will probs already be in the italian ground tech tree when it comes out.

This tank has nothing to do in the Italian tree, because it was build for the Germans ...

[swedeonthemoose 12,809]

whats the deal with italians and rivets on their tanks ? O_O

[ezattilabatyi 195]

whats the deal with italians and rivets on their tanks ? O_O

 

Many early British tanks had them too. If those are just additional armor plates, they are fine (like on the Ferdinand's hull). But if the whole construction was riveted and not welded together, on impact those rivets would fly everywhere in the fighting compartment.

 

Edit: grammar fix

Edited March 5, 2015 by shirfy

[swedeonthemoose 12,809]

Many early British tanks had them too. If those are just additional armor plates, they are fine (like on the Ferdinand's hull). But if the whole construction was riveted and not welded together, on impact those rivets would fly everywhere in the fighting compartment.

 

Edit: grammar fix

ye cant imagine that being a pleasant experience

[SyngedWaffles 337]

This tank has nothing to do in the Italian tree, because it was build for the Germans ...

still built by italians...people won't want this tank, claiming it's a reskinned semovente from the italian tech tree

[Evil_Wehraboo 398]

still built by italians...people won't want this tank, claiming it's a reskinned semovente from the italian tech tree

You know, it's not about where it was build, it's about who it use ... and that this thing was used by the Germans and not the Italians is fact. So give just one logical reason what it has to search in the Italian tree ... and no, it was Italian build is no argument ... otherwithe the Italians would have a problem with the point (as example) that there planes could have eninges, becuase a lot of them use German engines as well as a lot planes could have a armament, becuase they use German weapons ... or other siad, the real live dont care about origins ;)

And at least, no it's not. Ok, the hull itself is just a redesigned Semovente M42 da 75/34 ... but that this already change it's armor completly (the other angels and thickness) it also has a gun who was not fitted at any Italian variant of this tank ...

Edited March 5, 2015 by MP86

[Heinkel280 641]

The Italians actually built an AFV that wasn't awful?  :Os

 

On a serious note, it looks gorgeous and I want it. +1  :salute:

[hooter1 27]

yes plz

[SyngedWaffles 337]

You know, it's not about where it was build, it's about who it use ... and that this thing was used by the Germans and not the Italians is fact. So give just one logical reason what it has to search in the Italian tree ... and no, it was Italian build is no argument ... otherwithe the Italians would have a problem with the point (as example) that there planes could have eninges, becuase a lot of them use German engines as well as a lot planes could have a armament, becuase they use German weapons ... or other siad, the real live dont care about origins ;)

And at least, no it's not. Ok, the hull itself is just a redesigned Semovente M42 da 75/34 ... but that this already change it's armor completly (the other angels and thickness) it also has a gun who was not fitted at any Italian variant of this tank ...

italians need it, germans dont in their tech tree. those planes use german parts, but italian designs. 

[swedeonthemoose 12,809]

are those bolts holding up extra armor ? if not anything high explosive hitting that thing will turn the inside into a pingball game

[Evil_Wehraboo 398]

italians need it, germans dont in their tech tree. those planes use german parts, but italian designs. 

As i wrote, who cares where the design comes from? The Tech Trees are about wich machines was used by the nations! And fact is this machines never served in any Italian army but in the German army! Futhermore the Italians have the Semovente M41 da 75/18, the Semovente M42 da 75/34, the Semovente M41 da 90/53 and the Semovente M43 da 105/25 "Bassotto" and other TD's ...

[SyngedWaffles 337]

Futhermore the Italians have the Semovente M41 da 75/18, the Semovente M42 da 75/34, the Semovente M41 da 90/53 and the Semovente M43 da 105/25 "Bassotto" and other TD's ...

Exactly why i say people will call it as a reskinned semovente, and call gaijin moneymakers.