[1.65.1.118] Continued Ju 88 A-4 missing realism bug

[warrior412 14,723]

23 hours ago, TT33b said:

I will die of old age before this is updated

 

They do need to dedicate time to older things.

 

Unfortunately that probably does not ride high on the list of priorities.

[Sixpack1 627]

On 17.10.2016 at 5:56 PM, Pony51 said:

 

It is.

 

On the LONG list to be updated.  

 

That and a bunch of the payload would be useless. Nobody would use the 10 or 18 50kg bombs unless they are forced to via module research.

 

And from these:

6 x 250 kg
1 x 1,800 kg
4 x 500 kg
2 x 500 kg + 4 x 250 kg
2 x 1,000 kg
2 x 1,400 kg
2 x 1,000 kg + 2 x 250 kg
2 x 1,000 kg + 2 x 500 kg

28 x 50 kg + 6 x 250 kg
28 x 50 kg + 2 x 500 kg
10 x 50 kg + 4 x 250 kg
10 x 50 kg + 6 x 250 kg
10 x 50 kg + 1 x 500 kg
10 x 50 kg + 1 x 1,000 kg
1 x 1,000 kg
2 x 500 kg
4 x 250 kg
1 x 1,400 kg
1 x 500 kg

 

The bolded could also be dropped I would say.

 

There is also the question of the use of bombs in certain aspects, if the 1400kg bombs could destroy a base in one bomb but you need to drop both the 1ton bombs with the same issue would be the better choice. You would get better performance for the same effect, or maybe you could even run on 500kg bombs and only need to drop them one by one, giving you a better loadout than the higher payloads for base bombing (now once it goes to airfield bombing the higher loadouts are better, but I am talking from a RB standpoint).

Edited October 19, 2016 by Sixpack1

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17 hours ago, Sixpack1 said:

That and a bunch of the payload would be useless. Nobody would use the 10 or 18 50kg bombs unless they are forced to via module research......The bolded could also be dropped I would say.

 

No. If it is stated on the ladeplan documents on page one then it has to be in-game. Anything short of this is nerfage

[Sixpack1 627]

19 hours ago, TT33b said:

 

No. If it is stated on the ladeplan documents on page one then it has to be in-game. Anything short of this is nerfage

 

Not realy as there is no logical sense in bringing a plethora of those bombloads in the game as they only help to nerf yourself when using them.

 

E.G. the ability to bring a single 1ton bomb is utterly pointless when you can instead bring two to at least destroy a base, or do more airfield damage in arcade if you get ignored. It is just straight up better.

 

Unless you can bring a good reason for requireing a bunch of clearly inferior bombloads in the game that nobody would use unless forced to I see no reason to add them.

[Fuzzyhead12 671]

On 21.10.2016 at 0:41 AM, Sixpack1 said:

 

Not realy as there is no logical sense in bringing a plethora of those bombloads in the game as they only help to nerf yourself when using them.

 

E.G. the ability to bring a single 1ton bomb is utterly pointless when you can instead bring two to at least destroy a base, or do more airfield damage in arcade if you get ignored. It is just straight up better.

 

Unless you can bring a good reason for requireing a bunch of clearly inferior bombloads in the game that nobody would use unless forced to I see no reason to add them.

balance xaxaxaxaxa

 

they should add also G R and S varaints for higher br

[TT33a 5,406]

On ‎10‎/‎20‎/‎2016 at 6:41 PM, Sixpack1 said:

E.G. the ability to bring a single 1ton bomb is utterly pointless when you can instead bring two to at least destroy a base.......Unless you can bring a good reason for requireing a bunch of clearly inferior bombloads in the game that nobody would use unless forced to I see no reason to add them

 

Carrying one and not two bombs would cut down on weight & drag which would help your craft's performance. It should be the player's choice of what bombload found in the aircraft's manual that he decides to carry rather than being restricted to gaijin's omitting and nerfing of bomb loadouts

[Pony51 6,572]

On 1/10/2017 at 2:17 AM, TT33a said:

 

Carrying one and not two bombs would cut down on weight & drag which would help your craft's performance. It should be the player's choice of what bombload found in the aircraft's manual that he decides to carry rather than being restricted to gaijin's omitting and nerfing of bomb loadouts

 

I think there is limitation in game to adding too many load variants.  

After all the game does not give you load selection either.

[TT33a 5,406]

Thread updated to 1.65.1.118

And Pacifica try not to close this one as that seriously impedes my ability to add new information/bugs/sources to said thread in order to finalize it so it can be submitted/linked to bug reports in a finished state

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Edited January 25, 2017 by TT33a

[Pony51 6,572]

TT33a, have you ever seen a Ju 88 carrying bombs on outer wing hard points?

 

I have seen hundreds of photos and never recall seeing that.

[TT33a 5,406]

On ‎01‎/‎25‎/‎2017 at 5:52 PM, Pony51 said:

TT33a, have you ever seen a Ju 88 carrying bombs on outer wing hard points?

 

I have seen hundreds of photos and never recall seeing that.

 

Unfortunately, I do not have money to buy the full list of Ju 88 A-4 manuals or more information but I did find two pictures (one of an A-1 & two of an A-4) below:

 

 

 

 

Edited January 28, 2017 by TT33a

[TT33a 5,406]

Pony 51 can you post up a Data Sheet for the Ju 88 A-4? I can't seem to find one

[SmartSkull007 2,991]

1 hour ago, TT33a said:

Pony 51 can you post up a Data Sheet for the Ju 88 A-4? I can't seem to find one

This is sadly, the best there is:
https://forum.warthunder.ru/index.php?/topic/117053-краткий-паспорт-ju-88-a-4-настроен-в-143/ 

That hasn't been updated in over 2 years...

[TT33a 5,406]

Ty for link. So from that topic I gather that the devs are definitely/deliberately nerfing the top speed of the Ju 88 A-4 in-game as they claim the following claim which is incorrect:

 

Высота метров                R.P.M.                            максимальная скорость S.P.D. Км/ч

        5600                            2600                                                         455

 

 

 

 

The reason that their claim of 455 km/h is incorrect is because the Jumo 211 J engine is equipped with a Ladeluftkuhler:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.....Every one of our craft are underhandedly shafted in one way or another

 

 

 

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Edited February 4, 2017 by TT33a

[Pony51 6,572]

On 1/27/2017 at 2:15 AM, TT33a said:

 

Unfortunately, I do not have money to buy the full list of Ju 88 A-4 manuals or more information but I did find two pictures (one of an A-1 & two of an A-4) below:

 

 

The last one is the only Combat Mission load I have ever seen with external load.  Others are manuals and testing data, not for a mission.

 

 

REQUEST!

I am looking for ARMOR DETAILS on the 88A-4 and C-4, most important is THICKNESS of the armor.

I looked around, but cant find much about it.

 

[TT33a 5,406]

From this book:

 

[Pony51 6,572]

21 hours ago, TT33a said:

From this book:

 

 

THANKS!

It is good, but not all of it.

Looking details on top-rear gunner / cockpit area, the armor was more extensive.

[TT33a 5,406]

 

 

Edited March 31, 2017 by TT33a

[Pony51 6,572]

12 minutes ago, TT33a said:

 

 

 

Game C-6 has this, but cant recall the armor thickness.

[TT33a 5,406]

 

 

 

[xX_Lord_James_Xx 2,400]

Found something in game, ammo in X-ray doesn't match ammo carried.

 

 

 

 

Sorry its so small, don't know how to make it bigger.

Edited May 22, 2017 by xX_Lord_James_Xx

[Pony51 6,572]

7 hours ago, xX_Lord_James_Xx said:

Found something in game, ammo in X-ray doesn't match ammo carried.

 

 

 

 

Sorry its so small, don't know how to make it bigger.

 

Big enough.

Looks like a small error, I think 750 is correct

[TT33a 5,406]

Close up picture of WB 81 on a Ju 88:

 

[xX_Lord_James_Xx 2,400]

On ‎7‎/‎9‎/‎2017 at 5:07 AM, TT33a said:

Close up picture of WB 81 on a Ju 88:

 

how many WB 81 gun pods could the Ju 88 A-4 carry at one time, 2 or 4?

[TT33a 5,406]

14 hours ago, xX_Lord_James_Xx said:

how many WB 81 gun pods could the Ju 88 A-4 carry at one time, 2 or 4?

 

https://s21.postimg.org/3st0mal2f/image.jpg

http://www.deutscheluftwaffe.com/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/j/Junkers/Ju 88/Ju 88 A_4 Teil 12_C Heft.pdf

[xX_Lord_James_Xx 2,400]

1 hour ago, TT33a said:

 

http://www.deutscheluftwaffe.com/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/j/Junkers/Ju 88/Ju 88 A_4 Teil 12_C Heft.pdf

Based off the wiring diagram on page 12C112, it can only mount 2 gun pods, one on each wing.