Tanks/Vehicles AMX-50

[_Sync 1,028]

Since the french tree is coming out soon-ish there has to be ground vehicles too! I have a suggestion for a Tier 5 BR 8.0 tank

I introduce you the AMX-50.

 

This vehicle isn't OP at all, the Gun has bad ammo selection but has good penetration. The armor is paper and also once the drum was out it has a 1.5 MINUTE RELOAD, the player will have the option to press Y to reload so he could have a safe position to get cover and start reloading the drum.

 

 

 

 

The AMX 50 (official designation) or AMX-50 was a French heavy tank designed in the immediate post Second World War period. It was proposed as, in succession, the French medium, heavy, and main battle tank and incorporated many advanced features. However, it was to suffer cancellation in the late 1950s due to unfavourable economic and political circumstances combined with delays in development.

Because there were five prototypes, it is not possible to give a description applying to all of them in detail. Weighing about fifty-five tons, the general AMX 50 project was the heaviest of a trio of French AFV designs of the postwar period (the others being the AMX 13 and the Panhard EBR) to feature an oscillating turret. The oscillating turret design, lacking a conventional gun-mantlet, is in two separate parts, with an upper and lower part connected by two hinge bolts or pivots, the gun being fixed within the upper section. The horizontal movement of the gun, traversing, is conventional, but the vertical movement, elevation, is achieved through the pivoting of the entire upper section with respect to the lower section. This method of elevation has two main advantages. Firstly it allows for a smaller turret volume, as no internal space is needed for the vertical movement of the gun breech. Secondly, it allows the use of a relatively simple auto-loader fed by multiround magazines, achieving a very high rate of fire for as long as the magazines were loaded, as the gun is also fixed with respect to the auto-loader located in the back of the upper turret, i.c. a protruding bustle. The automatic loading system worked satisfactorily when the calibre was 100 mm. After the larger 120 mm gun was introduced, reliability suffered, due to the increased weight of the rounds used. The oscillating turret was a very fashionable concept in the 1950s, and also applied in some American projects, such as the T57 and T58. Only the French however, would produce operational systems.

The hull was equipped with a torsion bar suspension designed to ensure a vehicle with good cross-country mobility. The hull and suspension recalled both the German Tiger and the Panther tanks which, having entered French service after the war, were well known and deliberately imitated. Especially the engine deck, the sprockets and the tracks are strongly reminiscent of the German design style. The nine overlapping tyred road wheels each side, were however much smaller. The French engineers had not been aware at first that the much admired German overlapping design had been motivated by a shortage of high quality rubber, necessitating large road wheels to lower tyre tension, which then were made overlapping to better distribute the load pressure. As France would have no trouble obtaining rubber of the desired quality, this feature was superfluous. Therefore the road wheels were made smaller, compared to the first design proposal, both to save weight and lower the profile of the tank, which was quite high due to a deep hull, a problem only changed in the fifth prototype. The track now had to be supported by five top rollers. The overlapping system as such was maintained in all prototypes; with smaller wheels it allowed for nine instead of the originally planned eight wheels, five forming the outer, four the inner row.

The engine and transmission system was in the rear of the vehicle with rear drive sprockets. The transmission was derived from the ZF of the Panther. The functions of final drive and steering were combined in a single assembly; for each gear two turning radii could be selected. The engine was the Maybach HL295 12-cylinder of 29.5 litres, using fuel injection combined with spark ignition. The project goal was to bring the engine output to 1200 hp, implying a very favourable hp/litre ratio of over forty. This proved to be unrealistically ambitious, given the level of technological development at the time; in reality not even a ratio of thirty was reliably attained.

The hull sides were vertical, as in the case of the Tiger, while the front of the hull was in the first three prototypes evenly inclined at approximately 40 degrees from the horizontal, using sloped armour similar to that of the Panther and Tiger II. The corners between the glacis and the sides were truncated. The first two prototypes had a frontal protection level equivalent to about 120 mm "line-of-sight" thickness in the horizontal plane. The type was thus not particularly heavily armoured for its time. The weight increase with the third prototype was mainly caused by the larger turret and even in its fourth "uparmoured" form, doubling the frontal armour thickness, the AMX 50 was less well protected than its American and British competitors, themselves inferior in armour to the Soviet heavy tanks they had been created to fight. The fifth prototype used a lower cast hull, with a rounded frontal section for a better weight efficiency.

Above the massive hull, there was the oscillating turret, smaller, lighter and more compact than that of the Tiger; the sloped face of the upper part had a thickness of 85 mm. In the turret rear back there was the commander's cupola, well equipped with optical equipment. The turret had an optical rangefinder. The first two prototypes had twin 7.5 mm "Reibel" machine guns placed on top of the roof as an AA-weapon, a third was coaxial. In the first design proposal for a 120 mm version, the conventional turret had a high cupola armed with both a machine gun and a 20 mm MG 151 rapid fire cannon. However the third and fourth "120 mm" oscillating turret prototypes had a single 7.5 mm AA machine gun and a second 7.5 mm coaxial machine gun. For the production vehicles it was considered to install a coaxial 20 mm gun; lighter armoured targets could then be engaged without depleting the limited ammunition stock in the turret magazines. Despite the auto-loader, the crew was four: a second man was seated in the hull, functioning as radio-operator, but mainly needed to replenish the turret magazines from the hull ammunition stocks.

 

Specifications Weight 57.8 metric tonnes Length 7.35 m (24 ft 1 in) Width 3.4 m (11 ft 2 in) Height 3.35 m (11 ft 0 in) Crew 4 Armor 80-120 mm

Main
armament

120 mm

Secondary
armament

2 x 7.5 mm machine guns Engine Maybach HL 295 12VC
850 hp Power/weight 15 hp/ton Suspension torsion bar Speed 51 km/h (32 mph)

Feel free to give any criticism :salute:

Edited July 21, 2015 by _Sync

[CokeSpray 7,270]

Open for discussion. :salute:

[Temple_of_Syrinx 454]

So British Or Germany?

[TheLifeGuard 453]

So British Or Germany?

This tank should be part of the International tech tree. This tank wasn't used by either of those countries because they weren't interested in this tank. This tank was a disappointment and had a short service in the French army. It used all the Second World War era technologies including the Maybach engine which was the engine used by the Tiger tank and the Torsion bar suspension which had its faults. But, it allowed the French to finally develop a much better tank which were the AMX-30 and the AMX-13. But, I support this tank to be added into the game because this tank made into production and was in service. You should add a poll.

Edited July 20, 2015 by TheLifeGuard

[ItssLuBu 1,793]

I would like to see this in the International tech tree, +1.

[Volger50616 119]

If it was massproduced and was in service then yes, international tree, why not? +1!  :good:

[swedeonthemoose 12,809]

didnt gaijin say no to autoloaders ?

[FockeWulf156 5,532]

Nice tank, +1!

[_Sync 1,028]

didnt gaijin say no to autoloaders ?

The Autoloader would be fine because he penatration was bad for the gun and also once your out of ammo on the drum you had to reload and it took 3-5 minutes.

There's advantages and disadvantages.  

This tank should be part of the International tech tree. This tank wasn't used by either of those countries because they weren't interested in this tank. This tank was a disappointment and had a short service in the French army. It used all the Second World War era technologies including the Maybach engine which was the engine used by the Tiger tank and the Torsion bar suspension which had its faults. But, it allowed the French to finally develop a much better tank which were the AMX-30 and the AMX-13. But, I support this tank to be added into the game because this tank made into production and was in service. You should add a poll.

Poll added  :salute:

[igeticsu 3,400]

It looks like something out of star wars! I want it! so badly!

[graisseu 504]

Yes, of course ! 

 

But which version ?  :dntknw: He have like 3 or 4 versions, something like that .

[_Sync 1,028]

Yes, of course ! 

 

But which version ?  :dntknw: He have like 3 or 4 versions, something like that .

There will be 2 versions in game similar to the ISU-122 and ISU-122S, the AMX-50-100 and AMX-50-120

[DavidXD 1,355]

Nice tank ! I support !

[Tantor57 10,318]

I support ! but they should give higher priority to other and much better designs like the AMX13's and AMX30.

 

However this stan would pack a very serious serious punch, it's guan was comparable to the gun you can find on the M103 it fired HEATS and APCBC.

 

Also there was a version with heavy armor at the front while the turret was still badly protected. I dont know how this tank would perform.. Not so well i think since it's bad armor wouldnt be able to balnace by good depression on the contrary to the Leo 1 and AMX30 (this latter was pretty nicely armored and light)

 

However I support this but this vehcile would be really unforgiving.

 

Also to reload the autoloader, we could keep the system you curently have, just sit on a base and wait.

[ThomasElsass67 305]

Full support!

Vive la France!!!

[TheLifeGuard 453]

Don't worry the autoloader in this tank was kinda faulty. So by saying that they can reduce the reload time in every shot.

[Thorthemigthy 347]

Yeah they had issues with the Oscilating turret. Plus you had the Lorriane and the Batchat 25t 

[P8triot 3,894]

a faulty autoloader with ww2 technology?  Whats not to love :)  I like the quirky stuff.   However, the poll just gave options for British or international tech trees.  Considering all the ww2 German tech used to create it I think German tree is just as valid if not more so than British...at least until France has her own tree  :salute:

[Thorthemigthy 347]

a faulty autoloader with ww2 technology?  Whats not to love :)  I like the quirky stuff.   However, the poll just gave options for British or international tech trees.  Considering all the ww2 German tech used to create it I think German tree is just as valid if not more so than British...at least until France has her own tree  :salute:

Yeah, the French had a lot of tank designs. Not so much for planes. After France surrendered they used a lot of British, American, and Russian planes.

[_Sync 1,028]

a faulty autoloader with ww2 technology?  Whats not to love :)  I like the quirky stuff.   However, the poll just gave options for British or international tech trees.  Considering all the ww2 German tech used to create it I think German tree is just as valid if not more so than British...at least until France has her own tree  :salute:

also if the autoloader runs out it has a hell of a long time to reload :P

[TwinHornet 10]

The AMX-50 would be a nice new tank to add! It looks funky and sorta has this futuristic retro style to it. I think it will be perfect at 7.7 BR because not only will it keep incoming and mid tier five's on their feet but it will also freshen up the game by introducing a new potenial "apex predator". With it's big gun, rate of fire, intimidating look, and overall weird hull/turret design it will be a nice challenge to overcome Just as all Tier five tankers learned the weakness of other tanks , 6.7~7.7 tanks will have a to know their enemy(amx-50). I still remeber the time when i was but a whee little scrub and just unlocked a stock IS-3. And I also remember how I shat myself when I saw a real moving Maus, not some dummy in the test drive. Despite the Amx-50's rate of fire and penetraion the hull still stands to be it's biggest weakness. The turret ring and lower glacis are nice cozy spots for homeless shells to seek refuge, the height is pretty big which means a big target for shots even at long ranges, and finally given that the AMX-50 was considered a mechanically unreliable tank even by it's creator it probably has a god awful reverse and hull traverse speed.However it will prove to be a nice practice for incoming tier 5 and veteran players who seek a high tier challenge.

[Nope 10,634]

6 hours ago, TwinHornet said:

The AMX-50 would be a nice new tank to add! It looks funky and sorta has this futuristic retro style to it. I think it will be perfect at 7.7 BR because not only will it keep incoming and mid tier five's on their feet but it will also freshen up the game by introducing a new potenial "apex predator". With it's big gun, rate of fire, intimidating look, and overall weird hull/turret design it will be a nice challenge to overcome Just as all Tier five tankers learned the weakness of other tanks , 6.7~7.7 tanks will have a to know their enemy(amx-50). I still remeber the time when i was but a whee little scrub and just unlocked a stock IS-3. And I also remember how I shat myself when I saw a real moving Maus, not some dummy in the test drive. Despite the Amx-50's rate of fire and penetraion the hull still stands to be it's biggest weakness. The turret ring and lower glacis are nice cozy spots for homeless shells to seek refuge, the height is pretty big which means a big target for shots even at long ranges, and finally given that the AMX-50 was considered a mechanically unreliable tank even by it's creator it probably has a god awful reverse and hull traverse speed.However it will prove to be a nice practice for incoming tier 5 and veteran players who seek a high tier challenge.

 

Isn't the AMX 50's rate of fire not really that high?

Edited August 14, 2016 by Nope

[KontaKT 1,824]

This tank is French. Why adding it into the British tank tree as the French one is announced ??

Oh and I forgot to say that Wot said **** about these tanks.

 

There was the AMX-50 120 surbaissé, the AMX-50 120 surblindé, the AMX-50 100 and the AMX-50.

 

[Lord_Waka 1,932]

4 hours ago, Fighter117 said:

This tank is French. Why adding it into the British tank tree as the French one is announced ??

Oh and I forgot to say that Wot said **** about these tanks.

 

There was the AMX-50 120 surbaissé, the AMX-50 120 surblindé, the AMX-50 100 and the AMX-50.

 

WoT said **** on everything, and especially France

 

The autoloaders, the guns, the mobility... Almost all vehicles are messed up. 

 

I hope Gaijin will add the french vehicles with their proper characteristics. 

[Delta_48 471]

Will either be in International tech tree, or French tank tree (when they get one)