Ground vehicles BTR-152A USSR SPAAG

[Retry 7,363]

Based upon an early APC chassis of the USSR, the BTR-152A is a potential solution to the current gap in the soviet SPAAG tree.

Basic Info:

 

BTR-152

One of the First APCs of the USSR

10 tonnes

Top Speed:75 km/h (47 mph)

Power/Weight:11.1 hp/tonne

Armor: 15mm/9mm/4mm/4mm front/side/rear/floor, welded steel

Crew:5 men on the ZPTU-4 configuration.

 

ZPTU

Turreted version of the ZPU towed gun, armed with 1, 2, or 4 14.5mm machineguns.

-5*/80* elevation on the BR-152A chassis, 360* traverse.

 

KPV Heavy Machinegun

Ammunition load on ZPU mount: 2400(ZPU-2), 4800(ZPU-4)

Caliber:14.5mm

Fire Rate:600 rpm per MG

Ammo Types:

  B-32 API
   Muzzle Velocity 976 m/s

   Penentration 32mm RHA @ 0*s

   Projectile Weight 64.4 grams

  BZT API-T

   Muzzle Velocity 1005 m/s

   Projectile Weight 59.56 grams

  MDZ IAI/HEI

   Muzzle Velocity 1000 m/s probable

   Projectile Weight 59.68 grams

  ZP I-T
   Muzzle Velocity 1000 m/s probable
   Projectile Weight 60.0 grams

 

ZPTU-4 Mount Specs

 

 

The BTR-152A can be placed either in T3, or T4 with the ZSU-37 moved back to T3.  This SPAAG is comparable to the current AA halftracks in game, but with frontal immunity against .30 caliber weapons and resistance against .50 caliber weapons from 1 kilometer away from the front of the armored vehicle.  The armament is similar but superior to the M13 and M16 MGMCs in game, thanks to a ~100 m/s higher muzzle velocity, larger caliber, high-explosive shells, and ~50% greater projectile mass.

Edited June 20, 2016 by Retry

[CherryBlossom 4,210]

Open for discussion.  :salute:  

[Grand_Moff_Tano 3,460]

Entered service in the 1950's, so should be Tier 4 at the least.

 

Anyways I want it in game too, perhaps also with an upgrade from the ZPTU-2 (Dual 14,5mm) to the ZPTU-4 (Quad 14,5mm)

 

Edited August 3, 2015 by SqnLdrAhsokaTano

[Retry 7,363]

Forgot to add a poll.  Rectified this issue, the poll is now open.

[Afanasy_Zaytsev 138]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtJkC__h8Gs  ZPU-2 and ZPU-4 14.5 mm. The T-10M and the SU-122-54 have a Twin machinegun 14.5mm.

And I support! this

 

[CroVepar 4,514]

It looks awesome

I'd make it Tier 3 judging by it's armament and (no) armor

Edited August 3, 2015 by CroVepar

[RohmMohc 11,494]

It looks awesome

I'd make it Tier 3 judging by it's armament and (no) armor

a 1950 Vehicle at Tier III? why don't we put the Leo there 2? It has the same amount of armour as the Panther (actualyl less) and the high penetration doesn't matter there anyway...

Edited August 3, 2015 by RohmMohc

[Grand_Moff_Tano 3,460]

a 1950 Vehicle at Tier III? why don't we put the Leo there 2? It has the same amount of armour as the Panther (actualyl less) and the high penetration doesn't matter there anyway...

Because comparing a 1950's SPAAG to a 1960's MBT is best way to get credibility with argument.

/sarcasm

[RohmMohc 11,494]

Kugelblitz is a Panzer IV (tier IV) with fast firing 30mm MCs that have less pen then it's normal guns yet is at 7.0...

[CroVepar 4,514]

Kugelblitz is a Panzer IV (tier IV) with fast firing 30mm MCs that have less pen then it's normal guns yet is at 7.0...

 

Sd.Kfz 6/2 has a 37mm flak on it at tier 2

I believe i made my point

Edited August 3, 2015 by CroVepar

[RohmMohc 11,494]

Sd.Kfz 6/2 has a 37mm flak on it at tier 2

I believe i made my point

you mean the one with the same Pen as the Panzer IIIs 37mm gun at Tier I? i've heard that those 14.5mm MGs of therussians actually had rather nasty penetration values with the correct ammo... and the german Truck is by far not .50 cal proof

[CroVepar 4,514]

you mean the one with the same Pen as the Panzer IIIs 37mm gun at Tier I? i've heard that those 14.5mm MGs of therussians actually had rather nasty penetration values with the correct ammo... and the german Truck is by far not .50 cal proof

 

The T3 Soviet gap needs to be filled, you can give this thing a T4 BR nonetheless. Just saying it's silly to have 3 vehicles at T4 and none at T3.

And i didn't say it should be at T2 just cuz the flaktruck is.

I find this thing to be on par with the Wirbel (or perhaps just a bit better) which is cozy at T3, just behind the Ostie, which is also T3.

[Delta_48 471]

I'd love to see more Soviet SPAAs in-game than tier V heavy tanks... also I'd love to see the M17 GMC as a Soviet premium SPAA (maybe tier II, since it's basically like the M16 GMC)

Edited August 4, 2015 by Delta_48

[Daddo2 328]

The problem of this SPAA is its operational service starting date... it is a post-WW2 vehicle, o in normal tree it cannot be placed lower than T4 and it can't have a BR low enough to be competitive against medium and heavy tanks. For these reasons some developers from Gaijin have said, that there are no plans to introduce this vehicle in game. (BTW Russian 14.5 mm anti-tank rifles PTRD and PTRS could penetrate a side of Panther, but only at very close range and angle)

 

In my opinion USSR GF in WT need some vehicle that would be able to take down fast jets, because neither ZSU-37, nor ZSU-57-2 are up to the task right now due to the low rate of fire. And that is the role that BTR-152A would be good at in my opinion, because hitting a jet fighter with ZSU-37 is almost impossible (slow turret traverse, low muzzle velocity,...) and ZSU-57-2 has way too high BR to cover early jets. This is why it would in my opinion be a valuable addition to USSR tech tree with BR of 6.7 - 7.0 (under current circumstances)

 

To the topic of versions... I'm in favor of adding 4-gun version in a regular tech tree (T4, BR 6.7-7.0), but 2-gun version could in my opinion be a nice premium with a little lower BR (-0.7) because of lower firepower. Premium status of 2-gun version is caused by its unhistorical opponent range (post-WW2 machine with BR of Tiger I...)

[Retry 7,363]

I'd put the ZSU-37 at T3 myself, have these two around T4.  The tracking ability of the quad HMG should be superior to the M16 MGMC due to greater projectile mass(less effected by drag) and muzzle velocity.

 

It also makes me upset that the USSR never thought to arm these on a jet.  I'd gladly replace my 23mms with 14.5mm MGs with higher muzzle velocity and more ammunition!

[Delta_48 471]

It also makes me upset that the USSR never thought to arm these on a jet.  I'd gladly replace my 23mms with 14.5mm MGs with higher muzzle velocity and more ammunition!

They were probably too heavy for most of their jets at the time... or maybe to knock back would... I'm not quite sure

[JEI2 5,766]

Yay gib plox, both of them

Edited August 8, 2015 by JEI2

[mistomaxo 446]

real vehicles! would love to see them arrive

[Wiggly_Armed_Man 2,383]

Kugelblitz is a Panzer IV (tier IV) with fast firing 30mm MCs that have less pen then it's normal guns yet is at 7.0...

SPAAs don't need huge penetration, if anything they should just have sub-par penetration.

 

The problem of this SPAA is its operational service starting date... it is a post-WW2 vehicle, o in normal tree it cannot be placed lower than T4 and it can't have a BR low enough to be competitive against medium and heavy tanks. For these reasons some developers from Gaijin have said, that there are no plans to introduce this vehicle in game. (BTW Russian 14.5 mm anti-tank rifles PTRD and PTRS could penetrate a side of Panther, but only at very close range and angle)

This vehicle would at least be a Tier IV.

 

Also, Maus, WWII vehicle fighting Post-war tanks, there won't be a problem with this SPAA going to Tier III if needed although I doubt that it would need to.

 

My opinion though? The ZPTU-2 mounted on it should be able to be upgraded to the ZPTU-4 rather than them both being separate vehicle for such a small difference, this would also be the first step in implementing 'upgrades' if this does happen.

Edited May 18, 2016 by Necro_Vin

[Wiggly_Armed_Man 2,383]

The rounds that would be used for this:

 

BS.41 API - A full metal jacket round with a tungsten core, it is a Armour-Piercing Incendiary round. It weighs 64.4 grams, has a muzzle velocity of 1,000 meters a second, and is able to penetrate 32mm RHA from 500 meters. 

BZT API-T - A tracer version of the BS.41, it has a full metal jacket with a tungsten core. It has a lower projectile weight of 59.56 grams and a muzzle velocity of 1,005 meters a second, the tracer lasts for 2,000 meters before burning out. I do not know if this has the same penetration as the BS.41 round.

ZP I-T - A tracer 'instantaneous incendiary' round, it has a internal fuse, a incendiary tip, and a tracer container in the base. It has a projectile weight of 60 grams but I couldn't find the muzzle velocity, tracer life, or armour penetration although I am guessing the tracer would burn for 2,000 meters before burning out, the armour penetration would be non-existent, and that the muzzle velocity would be around 1,000 meters but that is just a guess.

 

Too long, didn't read?

The BTR-152A wouldn't have very good Anti-Tank capabilities with only a 32mm of RHA penetration from 500 meters but would still be a good SPAAG if placed at the right BR with Armour-Piercing Incendiary, Armour-Piercing Incendiary Tracer, and Incendiary Tracer ammunition available to it.

 

Source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZPU#Ammunition

Edited May 18, 2016 by Necro_Vin

[WulfPack 1,693]

Support them at about 2.7-3.3.

Edited May 19, 2016 by WulfPack

[Wiggly_Armed_Man 2,383]

Support them at about 2.7-3.3.

That is too low, it would have to be at at least Tier IV.

[McPuff 2,212]

Seeing as how the PT-76 is in tier 3 and is also from the early 50s, these could also be there. If they are put in tier 4 they will be almost useless.

[Wiggly_Armed_Man 2,383]

Seeing as how the PT-76 is in tier 3 and is also from the early 50s, these could also be there. If they are put in tier 4 they will be almost useless.

This SPAA, or at least the gun, was used until 2000 so I think it could go to Tier IV.

[Daddo2 328]

This SPAA, or at least the gun, was used until 2000 so I think it could go to Tier IV.

The gun is still being used... I've seen some videos of it mounted on a pick-up in Syria. That however still doesn't change anything on the fact, that vehicles in WT are balanced judging the performance, not the date of being put into the service. So, what would be a final BR of this vehicle - almost no armour, good mobility and 2 or 4 14.5 mm machine guns? It will all come down to the performance of those MGs against air targets. If it'd be able to destroy early jets with less than 20 hits, it could be on 6.0 - 6.7 BR, where Russians need some SPAAG the most in current situation. If, however, it wouldn't be able to do so, it'd have to be placed at lower BR. It all comes down to the efficiency of those MGs and how much better than .50 cals they'll be.

 

Honestly, I hope that those 4 14.5 mm MGs will be able to rip apart fighters, attackers and light and medium bombers up to the 8.0 BR, so that it could become the Russian protection against Bearcats, Arados, Hortens etc., which Russian GF need so much now. The ZSU-57-2 is pretty much a huge light tank and is pretty much incapable of taking down jet fighters and light bombers. ZSU-23-4 will then be the top BR SPAAG to deal with any kind of thread that would endanger Russian GF.