ground vehicles Solve the gap between the Pz III and Tiger (VK3001,VK3601)

[_PabloSniper_ 2,142]

Hello everyone!

We all know the gap between the PzIII M (3.3) and Tiger H1 (5.7)
And even with numerous suggestions, we have not had a solution.

My suggestion is as follows ..
Fill this gap with two models

 

VK-3001 with Kwk40 L43 to 3.7~4.0 (Considering it  has the same armor 50mm and gun of PZIV F2 also in 3.7)

 

and VK-3601  with KwK40 L48 around 5.0~5.3 (hull 100mm turret 100mm)

 

You may say, "We already have a topic talking about the VK-3601".
But this topic: 

It does not mention the most likely weapon to be used in this prototype. In case the KwK40.

 

 

Data about tanks: 

 

 

on this book

 

 

and it

 

 

on this

 

 

 

VK-3601

chassis produced

 

turret produced

 

 

 

VK-3001 produced

 

I hope you like the suggestion!

 

S!

Edited August 25, 2016 by _PabloSniper_

[CokeSpray 7,274]

Open for discussion.

[_PabloSniper_ 2,142]

4 hours ago, CokeSpray said:

Open for discussion.

thank you sir 

[_Invincible 829]

Good idea !

[_Harold 322]

Great idea! + 1

[sherlock685 6]

I think it's a good idea, indeed. The VK-3001 would be played like a panzer IV i think. But the VK-3601... This would be nice counter of the KV-1, and train people to use the tiger correctly, since it's the same armor amount on the front. I hope those two will be added in the futur.

Edited July 18, 2016 by sherlock685

[swordfi2 206]

+1

[Saint_StuG 1,282]

I like it.

 

Even if one manages to deal with the sudden jump in terms of BR, someone who just got his Tiger, will rarely have much good tanks to match it up with. The Pz.IV, StuG III, Hetzer, and to a lesser degree, the Dicker Max are not very competative.

Tanks as the Panzer IV/70 and Panther are quite a bit further down in their lines, and neither has the appeal that the tiger has to some

[Flak_Dancer 9,733]

Great suggestion +1

[Kazumi_ 6,575]

I support it! Although I almost mistook the vk36.01 as a typo of vk36.02 which was basically a baby panther.

[Clangokkuner 253]

Thats a really good idea? you can even add D.W.2 with the L/24 to make a historically more accurate tree since it was the DW2 that led to the tiger, and it really solves the huge gap

[_PabloSniper_ 2,142]

On 18/07/2016 at 10:58 AM, sherlock685 said:

I think it's a good idea, indeed. The VK-3001 would be played like a panzer IV 

yep 

[TempestRiser 525]

Up vote ! good suggestion to fill this gap between Tiger and Pz.III

[Tantor57 10,318]

The best solution to fill the gap between Pz III M and Tiger is the VK 3601 (H) armed with the KwK 40 at 5.0.

 

The best solution to solve the gap between in the Panzer IV's and the Panther line is either the VK 3002 M which is simply the Panther prototype with 60 mm of frontal armor at 5.0 or the VK 3002 DB

[CokeSpray 7,274]

Edited title on OP's request.

[_PedroSniper_ 107]

big +1 to baby Tigers

[_PabloSniper_ 2,142]

21 hours ago, Tantor57 said:

The best solution to fill the gap between Pz III M and Tiger is the VK 3601 (H) armed with the KwK 40 at 5.0.

 

The best solution to solve the gap between in the Panzer IV's and the Panther line is either the VK 3002 M which is simply the Panther prototype with 60 mm of frontal armor at 5.0 or the VK 3002 DB

VK 3002 M is the best choice i think 

 

21 hours ago, CokeSpray said:

Edited title on OP's request.

thank you again sir 

[AtomicPope 3,953]

These seem like a candidate for the 5.0 gap in the german tree, the chassis and turrets were built(just never mated) so it's not paper either.

[Stuka_Hunter 3,408]

I support the VK 30...

 

...since I already suggested and support VK 36.

 

Also, you should allow the players to decide which gun they want to have.

Edited July 26, 2016 by Stuka_Hunter
just some more stuff

[_PabloSniper_ 2,142]

15 minutes ago, Stuka_Hunter said:

I support the VK 30...

 

...since I already suggested and support VK 36.

 

Also, you should allow the players to decide which gun they want to have.

I agree that players must choose the weapon to be used. But offering a cannon of 88mm which was never even planned for this prototype is not a good idea.

Only in WOT this tank use 88mm...

 

PS: I tried several times to warn about this on your topic, but without success.

My best regards

[KontaKT 1,824]

22 minutes ago, Stuka_Hunter said:

Also, you should allow the players to decide which gun they want to have.

 

If you could chose between a 88 mm and a 75 mm, what would you chose ? 

Useless to suggest it...

[_PabloSniper_ 2,142]

On 24/07/2016 at 1:20 PM, Tantor57 said:

The best solution to fill the gap between Pz III M and Tiger is the VK 3601 (H) armed with the KwK 40 at 5.0.

 

The best solution to solve the gap between in the Panzer IV's and the Panther line is either the VK 3002 M which is simply the Panther prototype with 60 mm of frontal armor at 5.0 or the VK 3002 DB

like this ? 

[Stuka_Hunter 3,408]

9 hours ago, Fighter117 said:

 

If you could chose between a 88 mm and a 75 mm, what would you chose ? 

Useless to suggest it...

 

Not only the 88. There were many guns plannned for the VK 36. Like herp derp 10.5, squeeze 7.5/5.5 cm and Kwk 42 l/70.

 

Why I dont like the idea of having a Panzer 4 gun on it, is because then you will be better of playing that, instead of VK 36 as it has far better mobility and not much lower armor.

[AtomicPope 3,953]

If we get it it should have the 75mm KwK 40, that's the only gun that was considered for mounting that actually existed to my knowledge. It's a very good gun anyway.

 

Did they even build that squeeze bore gun they considered or was it just a blueprint gun? It would be only able to fire one ammo type anyway, and from my knowledge squeezebore ammo is kinda similar to APCR so it would suck anyway.

[Mercedes4321 4,695]

9 minutes ago, AtomicPope said:

If we get it it should have the 75mm KwK 40, that's the only gun that was considered for mounting that actually existed to my knowledge. It's a very good gun anyway.

 

Did they even build that squeeze bore gun they considered or was it just a blueprint gun? It would be only able to fire one ammo type anyway, and from my knowledge squeezebore ammo is kinda similar to APCR so it would suck anyway.

I know the British Littlejohn adaptor which was a squeeze bore used a shell with a softer outer casing than usual so that it could be squeezed by the adaptor and essentially acted sort of like an APDS shell where a shell of smaller caliber than the barrel was what left from the business end of the gun, giving it a higher muzzle velocity.