tanks/vehicles Schützenpanzer Marder 1A3

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On 14.1.2018 at 2:44 PM, dotEXCEL said:

besides that you get 6-7 ATGM's.

6-7??

Where is that number from?

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16 hours ago, Ronin_GE said:

6-7??

Where is that number from?

Book: Schützenpanzer Marder: Die technische Dokumentation des Waffensystems

ISBN-10: 3613032953

ISBN-13: 978-3613032958

[HerrSektor 3,840]

On 14/1/2018 at 10:53 AM, Necrons31467 said:

 

Let's just hope this and the BMP-2 don't get the Begleitpanzer treament, I.E. getting massively over-tiered.

its a soviet vehicle... heck... they will think "muh low calibru autocanon" and they will give it a WWII tank BR...

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10 hours ago, zSektor92 said:

its a soviet vehicle... heck... they will think "muh low calibru autocanon" and they will give it a WWII tank BR...

 

Armed with an ATGM though, so I doubt that.

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5 hours ago, Necrons31467 said:

 

Armed with an ATGM though, so I doubt that.

yes of course... and you have MCLOS premium ATGMS in 6.7 BR... And how to no forget the BMP1 with a MCLOS and upgradeable SACLOS one with 600mm pen...

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7 hours ago, zSektor92 said:

yes of course... and you have MCLOS premium ATGMS in 6.7 BR... And how to no forget the BMP1 with a MCLOS and upgradeable SACLOS one with 600mm pen...

 

Yes, three of em...

 

BMP-1 is at 7.3, and there it's still a bad vehicle, regardless of penetration.

 

Seriously, why are people so obsessed with pen values? the Object 906 ''only'' has 230mm penetration on it's APHE round, yet that gun is VASTLY superior to anything the BMP-1 has access to.

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9 minutes ago, Necrons31467 said:

 

Yes, three of em...

 

BMP-1 is at 7.3, and there it's still a bad vehicle, regardless of penetration.

 

Seriously, why are people so obsessed with pen values? the Object 906 ''only'' has 230mm penetration on it's APHE round, yet that gun is VASTLY superior to anything the BMP-1 has access to.

if the Tiger II H had a 300mm pen HEATFS, and his reload rate is around 6,5 seconds, wich BR it would had???

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30 minutes ago, zSektor92 said:

if the Tiger II H had a 300mm pen HEATFS, and his reload rate is around 6,5 seconds, wich BR it would had???

 

Dunno, it'd be worse armed than it is currently, but Gaijin seems to think that high pen=good shell.

Edited January 18, 2018 by Necrons31467

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On 17.1.2018 at 1:35 PM, dotEXCEL said:

Book: Schützenpanzer Marder: Die technische Dokumentation des Waffensystems

ISBN-10: 3613032953

ISBN-13: 978-3613032958

Hmm, On which page?

Only found a reference stating 4 missles stored, on page 64.

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17 hours ago, Ronin_GE said:

Hmm, On which page?

Only found a reference stating 4 missles stored, on page 64.

Page 65
My Book is ''2. Auflage Taschenbuch'' bought in Sinsheim Technikmuseum Nov 2016. And yours?
now it gets interessting. we need to find cross references across other books. Feel free to post additional sources. so i can check them as well.
in the meantime i will update the suggestion

edit: updated

Edited January 19, 2018 by dotEXCEL

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3 hours ago, dotEXCEL said:

Page 65
My Book is ''2. Auflage Taschenbuch'' bought in Sinsheim Technikmuseum Nov 2016. And yours?
now it gets interessting. we need to find cross references across other books. Feel free to post additional sources. so i can check them as well.
in the meantime i will update the suggestion

edit: updated

Thanks for the heads up.

I'll check page 65 and the issue-No of the book.

(have access to it on monday)

 

 

 

 

Edited January 19, 2018 by Ronin_GE

[dotEXCEL 5,969]

1 hour ago, Ronin_GE said:

Thanks for the heads up.

I'll check page 65 and the issue-No of the book.

(have access to it on monday)

 

 

 

 

np, in the meantime i updated the suggestion

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PLZ GIB +2

[HerrSektor 3,840]

Having this IFV ingame, will not be ennough, i want the TH301 <3

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There are some Marders at play:

 

 

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On 19.1.2018 at 4:45 PM, dotEXCEL said:

np, in the meantime i updated the suggestion

Checked the version of the book available here...

Its a 1st edition book and page 65 is the technical data table here. The number of 4 stored missles is mentioned in text on page 64.

 

Knowing the author, it is very unlikely that he changed the number in later editions.(they have(had) access to the complete technical documents of the vehicle) You've had a "Taschenbuch" version? Hilmes et.Al as authors?

 

Edited January 22, 2018 by Ronin_GE

[dotEXCEL 5,969]

2 hours ago, Ronin_GE said:

Checked the version of the book available here...

Its a 1st edition book and page 65 is the technical data table here. The number of 4 stored missles is mentioned in text on page 64.

 

Knowing the author, it is very unlikely that he changed the number in later editions.(they have(had) access to the complete technical documents of the vehicle) You've had a "Taschenbuch" version? Hilmes et.Al as authors?

 

Yes. these Taschenbücher were made for Technik Museum Sinsheim and Speyer. Have some for Leo 2, Leo 1, Wiesel, ect. They were a collection. maybe a mistake made by the revision of the book? wouldnt be the first time

Edited January 22, 2018 by dotEXCEL

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5 minutes ago, dotEXCEL said:

Yes. these Taschenbücher were made for Technik Museum Sinsheim and Speyer. Have some for Leo 2, Leo 1, Wiesel, ect. They were a collection. maybe a mistake made by the revision of the book? wouldnt be the first time

Have to check them out when at Sinsheim the next time.

If the vehicle ever gets made here, would be fun to see what number Gaijin pics as there seem to be conflicting sources

Just got to say that 6-7 of those tubes would not fit in...not even with a big amount of lube

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12 hours ago, Ronin_GE said:

Have to check them out when at Sinsheim the next time.

If the vehicle ever gets made here, would be fun to see what number Gaijin pics as there seem to be conflicting sources

Just got to say that 6-7 of those tubes would not fit in...not even with a big amount of lube

in the meantime, i change it to 4 ATGM's

Edited January 23, 2018 by dotEXCEL

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+1

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GIB

IFVs are needed!

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Hm... Should probably make an AFV class for this sort of vehicle so that they can be given decreased spawn point cost. 

[Necrons31467 14,236]

On 29-3-2018 at 11:18 PM, Cunicularius said:

Hm... Should probably make an AFV class for this sort of vehicle so that they can be given decreased spawn point cost. 

 

Or something a bit more unique, like +300% quicker zone capturing, and if Gaijin really want to go all-out, have them carry infantry you can deploy equipped with some form of anti-tank weapon.

Edited April 3, 2018 by Necrons31467

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On 25/01/2017 at 16:36, dotEXCEL said:

                                                                  V0:

HEI DM 51A2,DM 81A1,DM 101              1055m/s

AP-T DM 43                                              1100m/s       Penetrates 40mm/1000m

APDS DM 63                                            1150m/s       Penetrates 44mm/1000m

Practice DM 48A1,DM 98A1                    1045m/s

Practice DM 88A1                                    1040m/s

Standard Load is 1250 rounds of ammunition.Gun can switch between ammo types.Early versions had the “Dreiweggurtzuführer” or DWGZ,which could switch between 3 different ammunition belts.Later versions (As mounted on the Marder A1+ had the DGZ (Doppelgurtzuführer),which could switch between 2 different belts.

 

Huh, the penetration values you list of both the DM43 and DM63 seem kind of weaker than I expected. Are you absolutely sure these are the correct values? I thought DM43 API-T had something like 50mm at 1500-2000m and DM63 APDS-T something like 60mm at 1500-2000m.

 

Anyway, here's hoping we get the Marder 1 sometime in the future. Preferably an A1/A3 variant with the fully stabilized LWT-3 turret I have read about.

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i hope somehow they will replace that argentinian TAM with that beauty