tanks/vehicles Elefant nested under the Ferdinand in tech tree

[JetyWawoo 87]

Please post a comment or even a +1 to show your support. 

 

I think it the Elefant modification of the Ferdinand should be nested under the Ferdinand in the tech tree (like how the Pz. IV J and the Pz. II F are nested).

 

Why? The increased stability and turning speed that widened tracks provide is useful, and the machine gun would be useful for marking targets/getting rid of bushes. Also, increased armor always helps. I think nested vehicles are always a good thing to add, as people aren't forced to research it. Besides, most of the tank is already modeled.

 

Differences Between the Ferdinand and the Elefant

 

Biggest changes:

• Increased armor thickness on the front
• MG-34 port
• Spare tracks on the rear of the tank
• Commander's cupola
• Periscopes
• Improved engine output (but increase in weight by 5 tons)
• Various armor changes around the tank
• Zimmerit paste
• Widened tracks

 

 

Specifications

While sources say that the front armor was thickened and the tracks widened, they don't say by how much (perhaps they are just talking about the plate around the machine gun and cannon)? I searched for hours on this. If anyone can find exact increases, please post.

Everything else not described as changed above is identical to the Ferdinand's specifications.

Sources

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/panzerjager-tiger-ferdinand-elephant.htm

http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=635

http://www.wardrawings.be/WW2/Files/1-Vehicles/Axis/1-Germany/04-Panzerjaegers/Jagdpanzer-Tiger(P)/Data/Ferdinand-Elefant_early.htm

 

Edited February 1, 2017 by JetyWawoo

[SAUBER_KH7 3,326]

Open for Discussion.

[Mo_guy96 245]

Even though it is almost the same tank I wanted to see it in game for a while +1.

[stefffff1871 2,448]

 

+1 I wanted it for a long time.

 

Have already added it to my own usermade tree: https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/347284-alternative-german-ground-forces-tree-halftracks-wheeled-armored-cars-assault-guns-wip/

[_EQUAI_ 356]

this can be tabbed with the ferdinand or be placed as a premium either way seems fine by me since there are little differences between besides the mg and the cupola

 

Edited January 29, 2017 by BLUEBLACK_EQUAI

[Ryan_King 907]

Would be Nice to have a Elefant 

[Despeao 947]

As long as the better vehicle doesn't have the same BR as we've been seeing with Gaijin premium vehicles, I'm in favour

[Tenkruler 596]

does it have the same weakspot on the front?

the two 80mm plates. As i can see on the pictures, they have added extra 100mm on the front hull.

[JetyWawoo 87]

1 hour ago, Tenkruler said:

does it have the same weakspot on the front?

the two 80mm plates. As i can see on the pictures, they have added extra 100mm on the front hull.

 

I do not see any additional rivets or thickness in those spots, so yes, the same weakspots. 

[SvenTheFree 1,745]

+1

[Vejuxsas 0]

+1

[raeuberhose 81]

+1 Can't see why not.

It is not going to be much faster/manoeuvrable, if at all with that added weight. Sure, we could use some variety in the german TD-tree.

[Tenkruler 596]

it would be good, but i would like that they add a mg-42 on the coupola.

No german tanks have a mg-42 mounted, you cant shoot at planes, you cant kill light armored vehicles.

[Hardmoor 2,196]

Don't put Zimmerit on it and i am all in

[sgtlongbow 1,936]

yes but as a premium vehicle.

[_EQUAI_ 356]

22 hours ago, Tenkruler said:

it would be good, but i would like that they add a mg-42 on the coupola.

No german tanks have a mg-42 mounted, you cant shoot at planes, you cant kill light armored vehicles.

I want that for all vehicles that have mg mounts on them.

[sabaton_ 3,821]

Yeah I like it, I fully support!

[TT33a 5,404]

9 hours ago, sgtlongbow said:

yes but as a premium vehicle.

 

Just like the two indistinguishable T-34/85, 85D-5T found on the normal tree......No, the definitive model, which is the Elefant, should be in the normal tree just like said T-34

 

 

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Edited February 1, 2017 by TT33a

[sgtlongbow 1,936]

11 hours ago, TT33a said:

 

Just like the two indistinguishable T-34/85, 85D-5T found on the normal tree......No, the definitive model, which is the Elefant, should be in the normal tree just like said T-34

 

 

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lets look at the command Jagdpanzer as a example, same as the regular one but a premium. or how about the tiger p? dont forget gaijin needs to make some money and they will be more willing when there is something in it for them.

[JetyWawoo 87]

5 hours ago, sgtlongbow said:

lets look at the command Jagdpanzer as a example, same as the regular one but a premium. or how about the tiger p? dont forget gaijin needs to make some money and they will be more willing when there is something in it for them.

The difference is that pretty much every Ferdinand after the battle of Kursk was converted into an Elefant.

[TT33a 5,404]

12 hours ago, sgtlongbow said:

command Jagdpanzer as a example, same as the regular one but a premium. or how about the tiger p

 

The Elefant is not a command tank and the Tiger P never saw combat

[The_Doctor_084 1,583]

Tiger P did see combat as a command tank to Ferdinands

[TT33a 5,404]

allegedly one (1) single tank

[dctpbpenn@psn 720]

Yes, I would love to have this beast. Following their upgrade they fought at Anzio, where my great grandfather was. (Picture from my great grandfather, he is the one in the back)

 

On 1/30/2017 at 4:43 PM, Hardmoor said:

Don't put Zimmerit on it and i am all in

 

What's wrong with Zimmerit? Just not as aesthetically pleasing?

 

 

[TheElite96 5,839]

+1