tanks/vehicles Objekt 268: The Real Top Tier Soviet Tank Destroyer

[Panzerzwerg 2,682]

At this moment, the "balanced" IT-1 is the top TD of the USSR in the game, and we all know the IT-1 benefits from many Mechanics and Disadvantages not represented in game atm, such as its invulnerable Misssile on Top, which can still be fired even after having taken a 120mm HESH Shell. 

 

The Objekt 268 shall be a real alternative to the IT-1, being a normal, casemate style Tank Destroyer. But what is the Obj. 268?

 

Historical Background:

 

In Summer of 1952, began the development Program of a new Tank Destroyer for the Red Army. At the Kirov Plant in Leningrad, the Project Objekt 268 was in development and overseen by Josef Kotin. The Tank was based on the T-10 Heavy tank to facilitate Repairs and Production. One Prototype was constructed in 1956 and underwent field trials but the 268 never went into mass Production.

 

Data:

 

Armament: 152mm M-64 w/ 35 Rounds

- 43kg APBC-HE Shell, 760 m/s, Penetration AFAIK max. 230mm*, (Thx Choogleblitz) but i´m sure certain people here have access to more precise numbers) 

- HEAT 250mm* 

-HE

 

Armour: The Chassis is identical to the T-10´s, the Superstructure is 187mm thick and sitting at a compound angle giving it an effective thickness of approx. 240-260mm. The Sides are 100mm thick, the rear is 50mm: So 187/100/50

Speed:  45-48 km/h with V-16-FN Engine, 800 HP

5 Crewmen: TC, Gunner, 2 Loaders, Driver

 

I think this would make a potent TD for the USSR after the BR Range has been extended and the DM improved, since the 152mm M-64 is a devastating Gun on par in terms of KE with Guns such as the 120mm M58 and PaK-44. 

 

Sources:  "Russian Tanks, 1900-1970,The Complete Illustrated History of Soviet Armoured Theory and Design" by John Milsom

                 "Soviet Armour since 1945" by Bryan Perret

                 "Domestic Armoured Vehicles of the 1945-1965 biennium" by M.V Pavlov

Edited February 18, 2017 by Panzerzwerg

[CokeSpray 7,270]

Open for discussion.

Removed spoiler for pictures as I think it's not necessary to have it.

[GeneralLee2000 73]

The missile can be destroyed, as shown on ThunderShow... But still, this sounds OK.

[Panzerzwerg 2,682]

36 minutes ago, GeneralLee2000 said:

The missile can be destroyed, as shown on ThunderShow... But still, this sounds OK.

Yeah but it will still be functionable

[lILeXuSIL 128]

thats alot of info looks quite cool more pictures pls

Edited February 18, 2017 by HeinrichHoffman8

[Panzerzwerg 2,682]

37 minutes ago, HeinrichHoffman8 said:

thats alot of info looks quite cool more pictures pls

Done

[Choogleblitz 10,205]

On 16/02/2017 at 0:32 PM, Panzerzwerg said:

Armament: 152mm M-64 w/ 35 Rounds

- 43kg APBC-HE Shell, 760 m/s, Penetration AFAIK max. 287mm, but i´m sure certain people here have access to more precise numbers) 

 

It only penetrated around 230 mm on USN standard.

 

On 16/02/2017 at 0:32 PM, Panzerzwerg said:

- HEAT 400mm (?)

-HE

 

Its HEAT only penetrated around 250 mm. 

 

 

The problem with the Object 268 is that its mobility and armour are too good for a lower tier, but its firepower is too poor for a higher tier. 

[Panzerzwerg 2,682]

1 minute ago, Choogleblitz said:

 

It only penetrated around 230 mm on USN standard.

 

 

Its HEAT only penetrated around 250 mm. 

 

 

The problem with the Object 268 is that its mobility and armour are too good for a lower tier, but its firepower is too poor for a higher tier. 

How does the M-64 compare to a BL-8 or BL-10?

[Choogleblitz 10,205]

1 minute ago, Panzerzwerg said:

How does the M-64 compare to a BL-8 or BL-10?

 

Inferior in terms of performance, superior in actual usability. They had identical rates of fire, but the BL-8/10 decimates the M-64 in terms of penetration. 

[Panzerzwerg 2,682]

Are there other built Soviet TD´s that have such guns like the BLs but have more Armour than an ISU-152? 

[Choogleblitz 10,205]

3 minutes ago, Panzerzwerg said:

Are there other built Soviet TD´s that have such guns like the BLs but have more Armour than an ISU-152? 

 

Sure. How ridiculous do you want to get though? 

 

The 140, 130, 152, and 140 were all planned or used on a TD. 

 

The Taran-1 cannon was actually used on this (SU-152 Taran):

 

 

It never went into service because the 2A46 (125 mm smoothbore) became a thing, and well, missiles did a better job at anti-tank than it did. 

[Kocyra 5,742]

I want to see this, Then Su-152 taran after!

[Panzerzwerg 2,682]

The Taran is the only one to actually use one of these? On what Vehicles were the Molot-T, M-65, Taran-2 and "Rezets(?)" cannon mounted?

[Z3r0_ 4,127]

I remember this thing from back when I used to play WoT, but in the context of how it would be in-game, what I'm seeing here is essentially a Soviet Jagdtiger on crack.

 

Honestly, I'm not really all that sure if I'd support this or not, as while we've had prototypes get implemented before, it was usually on an 'as needed' basis, and I don't know if the Soviets really need this (that and I'd honestly prefer the SU-152 Taran if I had to pick between that and this thing).  I'm willing to be convinced though.

Edited February 18, 2017 by Z3r0_

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23 minutes ago, Z3r0_ said:

I remember this thing from back when I used to play WoT, but in the context of how it would be in-game, what I'm seeing here is essentially a Soviet Jagdtiger on crack.

 

Honestly, I'm not really all that sure if I'd support this or not, as while we've had prototypes get implemented before, it was usually on an 'as needed' basis, and I don't know if the Soviets really need this (that and I'd honestly prefer the SU-152 Taran if I had to pick between that and this thing).  I'm willing to be convinced though.

As Choogleblitz has stated before, the firepower of the obj.268 is relatively low in terms of penetration. So unless Gaijin ever implements the effects of Kinetic Energy and Shockwaves, it may indeed be hard to balance the 268. SU-152 Taran has a ridiculously powerful gun, but i don´t know about the armour. Obj. 263 only existed as a full sized wooden mockup, ISU-152-2 has a BL-10, but no armour, and Obj. 704 has a pretty bad 152mm Gun.

[ComplexSequence@psn 657]

Yes + 1 ! The soviets can get object tanks when they decompress the BR. 

Do more object tank suggestions. The Object 277,278, and 770, could fit at 8.7 or higher.

[Panzerzwerg 2,682]

1 hour ago, *lilhomie13 said:

Yes + 1 ! The soviets can get object tanks when they decompress the BR. 

Do more object tank suggestions. The Object 277,278, and 770, could fit at 8.7 or higher.

What about Object 430 as Medium Tank?

[Rohrkrepiererer 1,393]

+1

[ganJ 2,692]

Is there any tech blueprint with armor and effective armor values?

Edited February 25, 2017 by ganJ

[Panzerzwerg 2,682]

Well seems like we'll get this in 1.69. But at 7.7? Yeah, hard to balance.

[EE5150 522]

Nice work, proper tank meta, awsome vehicle.

[Z3r0_ 4,127]

Well I think it's safe to say that this can be moved over to "Implemented Suggestions" now.

[CokeSpray 7,270]

Moved to Implemented suggestions.