tanks/vehicles UK Strv 104 (Centurion with ERA) for 9.0/3

[RefrigerRaider 563]

       Strv 104 1983-87 for 9.0/3

 

 

Table of Contents: 

I. Introduction

II. Photos and Videos

III. Suggested Stats and Features

IV. Additional Information

V. References

 

 

I. Introduction

   Sweden became interested in the Centurion tank after its success in the 1950s. At first in 1952, it was able to procure 80 Centurion Mk3s and another 150 in 1956. Later, in 1958, they were able to procure about 110 Centurion Mk 10s. The Mk 3 variant was designated Stridsvagn 81 and Mk 10 was designated Stridsvagn 101 by Sweden. In the 1960s, a program was started to replace the 20 pdr guns on all the Strv 81 with the L7 105mm in order to bring them up to the same level as the Strv 101. The new reequipped Strv 81 with the 105mm L7 is re-designated the Strv 102. Both Strv 101 and 102 were later also equipped with RA 421 radio equipment and introduced radio comms helmets.

 

   In 1973 a new project began to help extend the service life of the tanks. The project was completed in 1977 and extended the service life of the tanks to 1985. A further upgrade called REMO (REnovering och MOdifiering) on the tanks in the 1980s include a night vision equipment, targeting systems, laser range finders, improved gun stabilisation, barrel thermal sleeves and exhaust pipes. The tanks with this upgrade were redesignated the Strv 101R and 102R respectively. The 102R also got its upper glacis increased to 120mm.

Around the same time. the oldest Centurions that were most worn off were also upgraded. 

 

    A decision was therefore taken to allow 80 of 102 tanks (24 from the 1953 delivery and 56 of the 1955 deliveries) to undergo a modification of the chassis in the period 1983-1987. This new most advanced variant, called the Strv 104 features exclusive upgrades that include the exact same powerpack as the Israeli Sho't Kal: a 750 hp diesel Teledyne Continental engine and Allison half-automatic transmission. It also features ERA on the Turret front and upper front hull. This upgrade allows to extend its service life up to the year 2000.

 

Strv 104:

The Strv 104 is basically a centurion mk3 turret combined with a centurion mk10 chassis. It is armed with a 105mm L7 gun, its engine compartment height is increased to house a better 750 hp engine, comes with ERA.

 

II. Photos and Videos

 

Spoiler

 

 

III. Suggested Stats and Features

 

Mass: 54 metric tons

Engine: 750 hp diesel driven Teledyne Continental (13.89 hp/ton)

Transmission: Allison half-automatic transmission 2 forward, 1 reverse

Max Speed: 50 km/h

Armament: 105mm L7

Secondary: 2 x 7,62mm Ksp m/39B machine guns

Hull armor: 120/50/38

Turret Armor: 160/89/89

Comes with ERA on front

Suggested Munitions:

L64A4 APFSDS-T

L35 HESH-T

 

IV. Additional Information

A working example is currently on display at the British Tank Museum.

 

V. References

http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-42039/centfact.htm

http://www.primeportal.net/tanks/roger_johansson/strv_104/index.php?Page=3

http://www.ointres.se/strv_81_101_102_104_centurion.htm

in swedish

http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/Sweden/strv-104.ph

Edited February 19, 2018 by RefrigerRaider

[CokeSpray 7,274]

Open for discussion.

I've placed the photos and video material into a spoiler so as to shorten the thread length and make it more accessible.  

[Wilhuff_Tarkin_ 467]

It's Not British, also Chieftain is better anyway.

[BucketOfKnobs 81]

2 hours ago, Wilhuff_Tarkin_ said:

It's Not British, also Chieftain is better anyway.

We got the Strv 81 so why not this

Although I do not support this since it has ERA, and I know there are files of it ingame and other such things but this is what happened with ATGMs, they said no ATGMs, people wanted it, Gaijin gave in, people got angry at Gaijin. Same thing all over again, just a power creep pushed by the community

Edited February 22, 2017 by BucketOfKnobs

[swanseasean96@psn 382]

1 hour ago, BucketOfKnobs said:

We got the Strv 81 so why not this

Although I do not support this since it has ERA, and I know there are files of it ingame and other such things but this is what happened with ATGMs, they said no ATGMs, people wanted it, Gaijin gave in, people got angry at Gaijin. Same thing all over again, just a power creep pushed by the community

 

I agree with you but the sad reality is ATGMs are a pain in tier 5 and ERA is the direct response to ATGMs making ERA an inevitable suggestion because of IMO the mistake of adding ATGMs.

 

Sadly i can see things starting to spiral out of control with power creeps like you said we should have just stuck with tanks alone atleast that way we all knew the rules they went out the proverbial window when the It-1, Jaguar 1 etc came. 

 

But on relation to this suggestion its a no from me, im not having Britain start off an ERA power creep we are supposed to be the sensible ones this is a German fanboys job lol

Edited February 22, 2017 by *swanseasean96

[dotEXCEL 5,969]

if needed yes, add a poll please

Edited February 22, 2017 by dotEXCEL

[Mercedes4321 4,695]

19 hours ago, RefrigerRaider said:

Suggested Munitions:

L64A4 APFSDS-T

And what are the stats of this APFSDS round?

[RefrigerRaider 563]

Defence & Security Intelligence & Analysis - IHS Jane's 360
9 May 2001 Pakistan joins DU producer nations

Among the exhibits at IDEX 2001 was a model of the new 125mm armor-piercing
fin-stabilized discarding sabot (APFSDS) projectile with a depleted uranium
(DU) long-rod penetrator, which is being developed by the Pakistani National
Development Complex (NDC) for use with T-80UD tanks.

It follows the development of a DU round for the Pakistan Army's
Chinese-designed T-59 tanks, which have been re-armed with 105mm guns and
currently fire a license-built version of the British L64A4 tungsten APFSDS
projectile. The latter is credited with a range of 4km against a NATO single
heavy target. The 105mm DU APFSDS round has a muzzle velocity of 1,450m/s
and can penetrate more than 450mm of rolled homogenous armor at 2000 meter.

The performance of the 125mm round is said to be 25% greater. A noticeable
feature of the saddle-type sabots of the NDC 125mm projectile and of the
Norinco 125mm tungsten APFSDS projectiles (now being license-produced by
Pakistan Ordnance Factories) is the reconfiguration of their forward
bore-riders so that the projectiles align accurately with the autoloading
system of the T-80UD.

(It was reported in 1998 that unspecified 'loadability' problems had arisen
between Chinese projectiles and Ukrainian autoloaders. The same problem is
not thought to have been encountered with the loading systems of the 125mm
smoothbore guns mounted in Chinese Type 85-IIAP tanks.)

Among the exhibits at IDEX 2001 was a model of the new 125mm armor-piercing
fin-stabilized discarding sabot (APFSDS) projectile with a depleted uranium
(DU) long-rod penetrator, which is being developed by the Pakistani National
Development Complex (NDC) for use with T-80UD tanks.

Copyright 2003 Jane's Information Group. All rights reserved.

[Mercedes4321 4,695]

10 minutes ago, RefrigerRaider said:

It follows the development of a DU round for the Pakistan Army's
Chinese-designed T-59 tanks, which have been re-armed with 105mm guns and
currently fire a license-built version of the British L64A4 tungsten APFSDS
projectile. The latter is credited with a range of 4km against a NATO single
heavy target. The 105mm DU APFSDS round has a muzzle velocity of 1,450m/s
and can penetrate more than 450mm of rolled homogenous armor at 2000 meter.

Well that is rather extreme

[FWD13 508]

8 hours ago, BucketOfKnobs said:

We got the Strv 81 so why not this

Although I do not support this since it has ERA, and I know there are files of it ingame and other such things but this is what happened with ATGMs, they said no ATGMs, people wanted it, Gaijin gave in, people got angry at Gaijin. Same thing all over again, just a power creep pushed by the community

The Strv81 is a premium tank and this tank would be a tier V and currently we don't have any tier V premiums in the game.

[Delta_48 471]

2 hours ago, fwD13 said:

The Strv81 is a premium tank and this tank would be a tier V and currently we don't have any tier V premiums in the game.

No, because Gaijin has told us they wouldn't make any tier V premiums....

Edited February 22, 2017 by Delta_48
Just now re-read what I said....

[swanseasean96@psn 382]

1 hour ago, fwD13 said:

The Strv81 is a premium tank and this tank would be a tier V and currently we don't have any tier V premiums in the game.

 

48 minutes ago, Delta_48 said:

Yes, because Gaijin has told us they wouldn't make any tier V premiums....

 

 

 maybe as an event

[FWD13 508]

16 minutes ago, *swanseasean96 said:

 

 

 

 maybe as an event

That's possible.

1 hour ago, Delta_48 said:

Yes, because Gaijin has told us they wouldn't make any tier V premiums....

That was my point.

 

[Koty1996 457]

Well, the L64A4 should be tungsten only - basically British made M735 from what I have found...

I support this for 9.3. This could be one of the tanks to compete with T-64 

 

...what about making a suggestion for a whole 9.0/3 line up?

 

[Ta_Kanata18 1,109]

5 minutes ago, Koty1996 said:

Well, the L64A4 should be tungsten only - basically British made M735 from what I have found...

I support this for 9.3. This could be one of the tanks to compete with T-64 

 

...what about making a suggestion for a whole 9.0/3 line up?

 

Wait! How does Strv 104 compete with T-64? Did it have composite?

[Koty1996 457]

Since when do you need composite to compete with composite?
Makes sense. Totally. 

 

Wouldn't you - like - need a gun to punch through it rather than armour? Of course Strv 104 can compete with T-64. Hell, it even got decent armour protection.

[RefrigerRaider 563]

It has the firepower to compensate. Plus, the ERA bricks are really good at stopping heat rounds.

[Mercedes4321 4,695]

7 minutes ago, RefrigerRaider said:

It has the firepower to compensate. Plus, the ERA bricks are really good at stopping heat rounds.

Aren't these early ERA bricks one use only though?

[Retry 7,363]

On 2/22/2017 at 5:31 AM, BucketOfKnobs said:

We got the Strv 81 so why not this

Swedeturion was a mistake and should've been in a micro Swedish tree of some sort.

[RefrigerRaider 563]

yes. but ERA is generally more effective at stopping heat rounds.

[Ghost_Rider12 4,501]

If ERA makes an appearance in game then this tank is a must for the British tree seeing as we didn't really start to use ERA until Chally 1 came along. 

 

Also +1 from me

[Mercedes4321 4,695]

4 minutes ago, Ghost_Rider12 said:

If ERA makes an appearance in game then this tank is a must for the British tree seeing as we didn't really start to use ERA until Chally 1 came along. 

 

Also +1 from me

Well, there is another option . . .

[Ghost_Rider12 4,501]

Just now, Mercedes4321 said:

Well, there is another option . . .

 

Indeed but I imagine that if ERA does come along then there will be two or three tanks in each tree that can use it?

[Mercedes4321 4,695]

1 minute ago, Ghost_Rider12 said:

 

Indeed but I imagine that if ERA does come along then there will be two or three tanks in each tree that can use it?

Well the Centurion AVRE also eventually got ERA

[Retry 7,363]

9 minutes ago, Ghost_Rider12 said:

If ERA makes an appearance in game then this tank is a must for the British tree seeing as we didn't really start to use ERA until Chally 1 came along. 

 

Also +1 from me

It's not even a British tank!

 

Keep your filthy colonial grip off the Swedes!