aircraft/loadouts East Germany Il-28

[WarEagle04 159]

The only problem with split germany in Warsaw and the NATO in my opinion is:

Hunter , Sabre F2 and also the CL 13 vs MiG 15, MiG 15bis and MiG 17.Sounds fair? the clubbing would be extreme.

Also i really dont understand the US and GB players saying "tumor 4" " those OP cancers"... You have good aircraft to counter the russian bombers, But no,the ADENs on the hunter are just made to kill Unskilled MiG pilots, same thing with the Sabre F2.When i get into a mixed battle and see Tu 4 , i aproach from below , aim to the wings and tail , boom tu 4 lost tail control, is going down. And ive get killed only a few times by Tu4! You have aircraft with better cannons, if i can do it on the MiG 15 You can do it in the Sabre and Hunter.And is the same with the Il-28, if you know it has two 23mm cannons on the tail, why approach from the six?

Now some of you will say :"they suck shells" " lots of hit and no damage". And the Mk 108 cannon on the Me 262, and the Cannons of the MiG? they also spark a lot even with low ping, and ive seen explosion on the sabre  fuselage and not even "Hit" on the screen, meanwhile i see the concorrency cannons look like never spark.

And God forgiv those saying "Arado C3 at 8.0", at its BR the only advantage of it its the speed, and ive  get matches with F2H that can catch me and because doesnt have any kind of armor the pilot knock out is almost guarantee.

[Wilhuff_Tarkin_ 467]

11 minutes ago, WarEagle04 said:

Hunter , Sabre F2 and also the CL 13 vs MiG 15, MiG 15bis and MiG 17.Sounds fair?

Yes it does. Sounds very fair. Saying as a Mig-15bis, Hunter and Sabre F-2 pilot.

12 minutes ago, WarEagle04 said:

the clubbing would be extreme.

explain why please

[WarEagle04 159]

53 minutes ago, Wilhuff_Tarkin_ said:

explain why please

First of all : the teams, i know that a lot of people can get the Mig 15bis easily, jut have to buy a premium D13 and they got it in the case they grind the german tree. Now they get a top tier jet , maybe they havent played any jet till that moment so dont know nothing about the gameplay, in the case of a player that grind the tree without premium , they dont have any experience with the MiG guns, so will be hard for them kill something, At least the soviet tree has the mig 9, that is good to practice , but the german tree have the He 162, me 262 so they wont know how to use it.Same things happens with the CL 13, in the german tree arent many aircraft with the .50 cals.And they rarely climb up to 6000m so what they do?turnfigth below 3000m where the sabres dominate.

 

Second: The MiG 15~15bis is a plane hard to fly, its not only boom and zoom. Its not like the Sabre that you can just roll like a pig in mud and make the MiG overshoot.Historically was designed  as an interceptor, so have a good high alt performance, this  is mostly useless due to the War Thunder gameplay(you know , turnfigths below  3000m).How i said avobe , has guns that you have to get used to, its not the point and click of the T160s and ADENs.The MiG isnt the fastest jet of 9.0 and it locks up above 1000 km/h,yeah have good climbrate  but that wont help you in an emergency, if the sabre is going to 1070 km/h, the 10 degree climb will be useless , he will catch you.The legends say that the MiG can out turn the Sabre at low speed, but im not sure about it rigth now. They can simply use the airbrakes (that were only used in case of emergencies on real life) to cut the turn and shoot you with their lazer cannons.And in case you survive, always there is  Hunter that wil be waiting...in a sustained turn the MiG wins, the problem is dont lose the control  ,this would be solved  adding G suits, but in the korea war the korean pilots were poorly equiped and they didnt have G suits, so its not historically accurate, im ok with that but its another advantage that we lost.In the case of the MiG 17 , i can say looks like more competitive, but the MiG 17 isnt the majority of planes on a common Ger-Ru team , maybe are 2 or 3 or 4, is some rare cases even more.But in a common match the Sabres will out number the MiG 15s, once they re all dead, they go for the 17s. 70 % of the matches ive played  , i and one or three of my team mates that climb are alone vs 7 of the enemy team.Sometimes , i am the last one. 

Third:Imagine we separate Germany, The team of the NATO vs the Warsaw pact.The NATO team has the Hunter,  the Sabre F2 and the CL-13( this have a great performance but the only problem is the guns) , that i consider the jets with the best performance in the game aside from the MiG 17.Now the Warsaw team, has the MiG 15 (that  its not a big deal), the MiG 15bis, basically a better MiG 15 ( higher top speed, better turn rate, better climbrate, but still being food for the Sabre ), and the MiG 17. So in one side you will have the best performance jets,meanwhile the other will depend of the teamwork to win ( all climb, team work, skill of the pilots). But hey ,teamwork in War Thunder...there will be always a  MiG 15 taking B 29s on Spain, And i have to tell you, and probably  already know, a Sabre F2 pilot if knows hes plane and what know what its doing is  untochable, same thing with the hunter and the CL-13.In one side you have the best jets, in the other side, well the MiG 17 , the bis (good but you must know how to fly it), and the common 15 (why someone would waste time with this one?).

 

Well, and to you i know its eazy. Level 100, good stats, a lot of experience. MiG 15, Sabre f2, hunter.. you dont  care you are  good in all. But the teams arent full with guys like you .And the other team also doesnt. Take the regular players,some with MiGs and the Other with Sabres and  hunters.. The MiG players will suffer more of their incompetences and mistakes than the sabre players, this ones their lack of skill its compensated by a very good plane. Be honest with yourself :what plane is harder to fly?Also i dont say that the Hunter is forgiving because a hunter that turnfigth its a dead hunter.This is what i think,if you have other opinion i would like to hear it.Here im talking about my experience, so now tell your experiences, to know the two sides of the coin.

 

[Wilhuff_Tarkin_ 467]

@WarEagle04 Thanks for exhausting answer. I see your point and must admit you captured current state of rank V correctly. I noticed playing Mig-15/bis most challenging from those tree.

I remember a year ago teaching my friednd "how-to-jet" i told him: "If you want to slap MIG in da face make sure it's german". Truly adding unrelated plane requiring high skill level into different Tech Tree wasn't the brightest idea. But the problem has two stages:

1. Players skill and knowledge, It's not americans or Brits fault that Soviets/GDR do not know how to use their planes. If you dont have similar performing entry-jets than you can't naturally learn how to use later models a.k.a soviets have mig-9/late

2.German TT at rank V conception. Is it still Third Reich in the 60' ?(a.k.a nazi produced tanks and planes at rank V) or is it German Democratic Republic? Or maby West Germany?

I might be wrong but maby we have to wait untill new MIG owners learn how to use their machines and Gaijin un-nerf 23mm and 37mm cannons.

I always saw GDR MiG-15bis as something like: "You can get top tier jet quickly but need to learn how to play completely new machine"

What can be done? Amm regular MiG-15 at 8.0 along with F-86A5 and Meteor mk8. Buff stock performance of all migs. Un-nerf 37s and 23s they spark way too much, that should help a little.

[FWD13 508]

+1 You have my full support, since Russia has there's I see on reason to not allow Germans to get the GDR IL-28. 

[_reaperfang_ 4,555]

Biggest reason? I don't want more bombers on my team when I fly MiG

[Kocyra 5,742]

Pls no copy-pastarino

[MH4UAstragon 9,581]

Yet Germany doesn't exactly have other options for its air force in the immediate decade beyond the war. 

 

The SR.177 would be nice, they were the ones actually interested in it.

[Kocyra 5,742]

I initially was mad because copy pastarino, but I'd prefer EF 132. 

If they won't add the ef 132 then I guess they can add the German IL-28

[Wilhuff_Tarkin_ 467]

Copy paste but historical > prototypes. Just from my point of view

[RenamedMenace 46]

I flew the tu 4 quite a lot of times and killed it many times to, most people saying its op are xxxx neanderthals. If you go directly behind it even in a hunter I will have no prob killing you. The best way of killing it is head on where it has little guns. or shoot on one side of wing more than other and the plane will simply stall out.

[Universae 677]

I'm going to say no.

East Germany only really used Russian equipment, so just play Russia no?

 

West Germany is a playable faction on its own.

I'd love something post war after the arado, but not USSR based, I'd appreciate something to go well with my Leopard.

[Retry 7,363]

3 hours ago, Universae said:

I'm going to say no.

East Germany only really used Russian equipment, so just play Russia no?

 

West Germany is a playable faction on its own.

I'd love something post war after the arado, but not USSR based, I'd appreciate something to go well with my Leopard.

Too late, we already have the East German MiG-15bis.

[Universae 677]

20 minutes ago, Retry said:

Too late, we already have the East German MiG-15bis.

You dont say.

 

That was before groundforces even came out, and gaijin was being givin loads of poop by players to add it and the saber.

 

Since we arent going to see any T-54s etc for Germany I cant see any point in adding more Soviet planes either. Plus, why add them all when you can just play the Russian tree?

 

Atleast the sabre goes with the Leopard both being western Germany.

And since Germany didnt have any of its own jets, we cant exactly replace the sabre :/

[Retry 7,363]

9 minutes ago, Universae said:

Since we arent going to see any T-54s etc for Germany

I wouldn't be so sure...

[Borotovas 4,500]

I support this aircraft. This will be perfect once tier 6 rolls out, and a NATO vs. Warsaw Pact alliance property will be added.

Edited September 13, 2017 by Borotovas

[sh4d0w 1,693]

-1

Nope ! 

[Z3r0_ 4,128]

Welp, seeing as it's Germany's only remaining option for a mass-produced jet bomber (even if East Germany only had a few of them), I guess it's alright.  As much as I'd like to see East and West German vehicles at rank 5 split up in the matchmaking, somehow I don't think that'll ever happen.

Edited September 13, 2017 by Z3r0_

[Borotovas 4,500]

5 hours ago, sh4d0w said:

-1

Nope ! 

 

Why not?

 

4 hours ago, Z3r0_ said:

Welp, seeing as it's Germany's only remaining option for a mass-produced jet bomber (even if East Germany only had a few of them), I guess it's alright.  As much as I'd like to see East and West German vehicles at rank 5 split up in the matchmaking, somehow I don't think that'll ever happen.

 

I think it will happen after tier 6 comes along and they will be forced to split up the matchmaker.

[Nell_Lucifer 927]

I don t want other countries planes in german tech tree so no.

(We can get more Arado versions, Ju287 and maybe the EF132)

Edited September 14, 2017 by Nell_Lucifer

[seadogpirate@psn 888]

you have my +1

[Z3r0_ 4,128]

1 hour ago, Nell_Lucifer said:

I don t want other countries planes in german tech tree so no.

(We can get more Arado versions, Ju287 and maybe the EF132)

 

Only problem is that most of those are paper projects, which are significantly more difficult to make accurate flight models for.  The one exception would be the Ju 287 V-1, but that variant was little more than an aerodynamic testbed (the fixed landing gear being a dead giveaway) and wouldn't have sufficient performance for a rank 5 bomber.

 

As for Ar 234 variants, none of those would bring much of anything new to the table in terms of capabilities, with the exception of the nightfighter variants, but that still doesn't give Germany a proper successor to the Ar 234 C-3.

Edited September 14, 2017 by Z3r0_

[Borotovas 4,500]

1 hour ago, Nell_Lucifer said:

I don t want other countries planes in german tech tree so no.

(We can get more Arado versions, Ju287 and maybe the EF132)

 

Those will be separated for WWII battles. East Germany doesn't have any bombers.

 

4 minutes ago, Z3r0_ said:

 

Only problem is that most of those are paper projects, which are significantly more difficult to make accurate flight models for.  The one exception would be the Ju 287 V-1, but that variant was little more than an aerodynamic testbed (the fixed landing gear being a dead giveaway) and wouldn't have sufficient performance for a rank 5 bomber.

 

That's true. And for Warsaw vs NATO battles, it's going to be really weird seeing a WWII era prototype.

[Borotovas 4,500]

Yes, we still need this.

 

[Slipslime 660]

There shouldn't be any more East German stuff. Just go play Russia, it's the exact same thing