aircraft/loadouts East Germany Il-28

[Borotovas 4,500]

+1

 

I still want this plane added to the game.

[kamikazi21358 998]

On 01/03/2017 at 06:48, MH4UAstragon said:

I don't see why not. The IL-28's overall use is pretty limited. It can bomb out all of one base at most and maybe strafe some ground units with the foreward guns. But it's not maneuverable enough to really be a good fighter. No different than the Tu-14T.

From at least a Simulator Battles point of view, the IL-28 is a great aircraft and is actually more maneuverable than a lot of fighters.  Not only that, it’s front and rear guns being the same firepower, you can strait an aircraft with your front guns then switch views and do the same with the rear guns, getting double the amount of firepower and time on a target accurately than most fighters; it is a great fighter-bomber in my opinion.

Though I do still agree - why not?  Germany already gets the MiG-15bis (and imo they should get the MiG-17, they got more of them than the 15s I think), and I would like to see both East and West Germany reperesented. (Expecially in Tank SB imo, Russia really needs an ally (to help with que times), China is probably far off still, and both E and W Germany will give them a full diverse tree post-War both tanks and aircraft).

[Borotovas 4,500]

4 hours ago, kamikazi21358 said:

From at least a Simulator Battles point of view, the IL-28 is a great aircraft and is actually more maneuverable than a lot of fighters.  Not only that, it’s front and rear guns being the same firepower, you can strait an aircraft with your front guns then switch views and do the same with the rear guns, getting double the amount of firepower and time on a target accurately than most fighters; it is a great fighter-bomber in my opinion.

Though I do still agree - why not?  Germany already gets the MiG-15bis (and imo they should get the MiG-17, they got more of them than the 15s I think), and I would like to see both East and West Germany reperesented. (Expecially in Tank SB imo, Russia really needs an ally (to help with que times), China is probably far off still, and both E and W Germany will give them a full diverse tree post-War both tanks and aircraft).

 

I completely agree. The MiG-15BiS is already in the game, and this plane is necessary to further complete the German line of bombers and better represent East Germany.

[neophoca_cinerea 7]

Just now, Borotovas said:

 

I completely agree. The MiG-15BiS is already in the game, and this plane is necessary to further complete the German line of bombers and better represent East Germany.

There is one problem - matchmaking processor can't see any difference between western G.91 and eastern MiG-15 in the german tech tree.

[Borotovas 4,500]

26 minutes ago, neophoca_cinerea said:

There is one problem - matchmaking processor can't see any difference between western G.91 and eastern MiG-15 in the german tech tree.

 

If the DDR Il-28 and MiG-17 and DDR tanks are added, then I suspect that the matchmaker will be changed to add these Warsaw Pact vehicles to fight alongside the USSR.

[neophoca_cinerea 7]

Just now, Borotovas said:

 

If the DDR Il-28 and MiG-17 and DDR tanks are added, then I suspect that the matchmaker will be changed to add these Warsaw Pact vehicles to fight alongside the USSR.

It will be exciting to fight on the Kpz T-72 against Leo2A4, but it's just a dream - IMHO devs wouldn't add DDR as a variation of the german-soviet setup.

[Borotovas 4,500]

1 hour ago, neophoca_cinerea said:

It will be exciting to fight on the Kpz T-72 against Leo2A4, but it's just a dream - IMHO devs wouldn't add DDR as a variation of the german-soviet setup.

 

How come? It seems to be the logical step forward, since Germany does not have many post war planes, while other nations have tons of post war vehicles.

[neophoca_cinerea 7]

16 minutes ago, Borotovas said:

 

How come? It seems to be the logical step forward, since Germany does not have many post war planes, while other nations have tons of post war vehicles.

>Gaijin
>Logic
Seriously, they're putting a prototypes (T32/34, Object 906, Ho. 229 etc) to the research tree, while mass-producted (AVRE, I.A.R. 81, La-11 etc.) are premium vehicles.

[Borotovas 4,500]

1 hour ago, neophoca_cinerea said:

>Gaijin
>Logic
Seriously, they're putting a prototypes (T32/34, Object 906, Ho. 229 etc) to the research tree, while mass-producted (AVRE, I.A.R. 81, La-11 etc.) are premium vehicles.

 

That doesn't make any sense. Hopefully, they will see this thread and change their minds.

[neophoca_cinerea 7]

Just now, Borotovas said:

Hopefully, they will see this thread and change their minds.

I hope so too, but probability is too low.

[Borotovas 4,500]

2 hours ago, neophoca_cinerea said:

I hope so too, but probability is too low.

 

What else would Gaijin add to Germany if not the Il-28? They would have to expand the tree eventually, if they are going to add tier 6 jets. Unless it's nothing.

[neophoca_cinerea 7]

Just now, Borotovas said:

 

What else would Gaijin add to Germany if not the Il-28? They would have to expand the tree eventually, if they are going to add tier 6 jets. Unless it's nothing.

They might add some prototypes of the Third Reich, and early Tornadoes after them, but soviet Il-28 and Su-7 are optimal to fill the gap.

[Z3r0_ 4,128]

59 minutes ago, neophoca_cinerea said:

They might add some prototypes of the Third Reich, and early Tornadoes after them, but soviet Il-28 and Su-7 are optimal to fill the gap.

 

Tornado's not going to happen.  MAYBE the Alpha Jet if Rank 6 becomes a thing.

 

Also, it'd kind-of keep with the theme of the Germans getting high tier but not TOP tier equipment from the Soviets in-game.  They have the MiG-15bis, but not the MiG-17, and they'd get the baseline Il-28, but not the Il-28Sh.

[neophoca_cinerea 7]

Just now, Z3r0_ said:

and they'd get the baseline Il-28, but not the Il-28Sh.

Difference between these two crafts is insignificant. Il-28Sh is just an Il-28 with the unguided (and useless) rockets.

[Borotovas 4,500]

1 hour ago, neophoca_cinerea said:

They might add some prototypes of the Third Reich, and early Tornadoes after them, but soviet Il-28 and Su-7 are optimal to fill the gap.

 

I don't see Gaijin EVER adding any German jet prototypes.

 

5 minutes ago, Z3r0_ said:

 

Tornado's not going to happen.  MAYBE the Alpha Jet if Rank 6 becomes a thing.

 

Also, it'd kind-of keep with the theme of the Germans getting high tier but not TOP tier equipment from the Soviets in-game.  They have the MiG-15bis, but not the MiG-17, and they'd get the baseline Il-28, but not the Il-28Sh.

 

That's a bit ridiculous, East Germany should get its equipment that it actually used.

 

1 minute ago, neophoca_cinerea said:

Difference between these two crafts is insignificant. Il-28Sh is just an Il-28 with the unguided (and useless) rockets.

 

Is there any physical difference? They both look the same.

[neophoca_cinerea 7]

Just now, Borotovas said:

I don't see Gaijin EVER adding any German jet prototypes.

Ho.229. It is a prototype.

 

Just now, Borotovas said:

Is there any physical difference? They both look the same. 

Rocket containers making it harder to maneuver and a bit slower.

[Borotovas 4,500]

14 hours ago, neophoca_cinerea said:

Ho.229. It is a prototype.

 

Rocket containers making it harder to maneuver and a bit slower.

 

Yes, and many people complained that it was too much of a paper plane and did not like it. So, I doubt Gaijin will add anything like that in the future to the German tree.

 

But do you have to unlock the rocket containers? So, if you don't equip the rockets, it's exactly the same? 

[neophoca_cinerea 7]

Just now, Borotovas said:

But do you have to unlock the rocket containers? So, if you don't equip the rockets, it's exactly the same?  

Yes, you have to unlock them.

[Borotovas 4,500]

6 hours ago, neophoca_cinerea said:

Yes, you have to unlock them.

 

So the Il-28sh is just like the regular Il-28. It could have probably been a mod to add the rockets, but Gaijin wanted to add more planes for people to research and spend time on.

 

However, historically Germany did not operate the Il-28sh variant, so it should not receive it.

[neophoca_cinerea 7]

Just now, Borotovas said:

However, historically Germany did not operate the Il-28sh variant, so it should not receive it.

It was not even mass-produced.

[Borotovas 4,500]

4 minutes ago, neophoca_cinerea said:

It was not even mass-produced.

 

How many Il-28Sh were there in total?

[neophoca_cinerea 7]

Just now, Borotovas said:

 

How many Il-28Sh were there in total?

One prototype, as far as I know. It was suggested as new assault aircraft, but it lacked armor so this variant was never mass-produced.

[Borotovas 4,500]

1 hour ago, neophoca_cinerea said:

One prototype, as far as I know. It was suggested as new assault aircraft, but it lacked armor so this variant was never mass-produced.

 

Was there really only one?

 

I read on Wikipedia that a few were converted to carry rockets.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyushin_Il-28#Soviet_Union_variants

 

"Small number converted which saw limited service."

 

Maybe there could be a rocket mod for the German Il-28, since it would look exactly the same.

[LuizBarros99 436]

On 28/02/2017 at 11:16, WarEagle04 said:

Germany doesnt have any top tier jet bomber, so i decided to investigate and found that East Germany  got 10 Il-28 and 1 Il-28U.This plane should be placed after the Arado C3  and i dont see any problems with it there.

 

• Specifications

 

• General characteristics

Crew: Three (pilot, bombardier, gunner)

Length: 17.65 m (57 ft 11 in (excluding cannon))

Wingspan: 21.45 m (70 ft 4½ in (excluding tip tanks))

Height: 6.70 m (22 ft 11¾ in)

Wing area: 60.80 m² (654.5 sq ft)

Airfoil: TSAGI SR-5S[13]

Aspect ratio: 7.55:1

Empty weight: 12,890 kg (28,417 lb)

Loaded weight: 18,400 kg (40,565 lb)

Max. takeoff weight: 21,200 kg (46,738 lb)

Powerplant: 2 × Klimov VK-1A turbojets, 26.5 kN (5,952 lbf) each

• Performance

Maximum speed: 902 km/h (487 knots, 560 mph) at 4,500 m (14,760 ft)

Cruise speed: 770 km/h (415 knots, 478 mph)

Range: 2,180 km (1,176 nmi, 1,355 mi) at 770 km/h (415 knots, 478 mph) and 10,000 m (32,800 ft)

Service ceiling: 12,300 m (40,350 ft)

Rate of climb: 900 m/min (2,950 ft/min)

• Armament

Guns: 4 × Nudelman-Rikhter NR-23 cannons (2 in nose and 2 in tail barbette)

Bombs: 3,000 kg (6,600 lb) of bombs in internal bay (1,000 kg (2,200 lb) normal)

 

 

• Here some photos

 

 

 

          

• Useful links
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyushin_Il-28
• https://books.google.co.ao/books?id=lyEDAAAAMBAJ&pg=RA1-PA10-IA2&dq=popular+science+1951+2-Jet+Bomber&hl=en&ei=gBXBTKmBFOHsnQeNyLHbCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=true
•  040114_kse_vertrag (1).pdf~page 33

What are your opinions about the addition of this plane to the german tree?

I am personally against this, along with the German MiG 15 (Which is too late now...)

 

Plus, Germany already has the Arados, so why need a 3rd bomber? Most other nations only have like 2 jet bombers, and they are usually extremely similar to each other.

[Borotovas 4,500]

14 hours ago, LuizBarros99 said:

I am personally against this, along with the German MiG 15 (Which is too late now...)

 

Plus, Germany already has the Arados, so why need a 3rd bomber? Most other nations only have like 2 jet bombers, and they are usually extremely similar to each other.

 

Maybe because the Arados are trash and cant fight or bomb anything? We need a strong bomber to motivate people into flying German bombers. This plane is also a part of German history.