aircraft/loadouts East Germany Il-28

[Nell_Lucifer 927]

Excuse me but what?! The Arados are trash and can't bomb anything???

That is not true, it s a fast medium bomber that can be used as a fighter. 1500 kg is decent I guess, 2 kills per run and the 20 mm can hurt any jet you face at it s br.

If you want a 3rd bomber to compete at 8.0 and 9.0 then you have the EF 125 witch is basically a german IL-28.

[Borotovas 4,500]

3 hours ago, Nell_Lucifer said:

Excuse me but what?! The Arados are trash and can't bomb anything???

That is not true, it s a fast medium bomber that can be used as a fighter. 1500 kg is decent I guess, 2 kills per run and the 20 mm can hurt any jet you face at it s br.

If you want a 3rd bomber to compete at 8.0 and 9.0 then you have the EF 125 witch is basically a german IL-28.

 

The Arado is pretty much a horrible aircraft. The only way it would be a good aircraft was if it was tiered to only fight in prop battles, no jet battles.

 

IL-28:

1. Good bombload. 2. Very powerful frontal and defensive guns. 3. Very fast, even with a jet it is hard to catch.

 

IL-28Sh

1. Even better armament and options, it's obvious these two IL-28s are far superior to what Germany has.

 

Arado B:

1. small bombload. 2. No guns. 3. Very slow, you would have to be severely down-tiered to even start being faster than your opponents.

 

It's not very good with the Arado C either.

 

Arado C:

1. Still small bombload. 2. Only  frontal cannons. 3. Still very slow compared to other jets at your tier. How come every other nation has fast jet bombers, but Germany has these 2 joke planes that everyone can catch easily. It doesn't make sense, Germany needs a top tier jet.

 

You mean this plane? The main problem with the EF 125 would be that it's too slow, as you wrote it can only do 856 km/h; the IL-28 can do 902 km/h. The EF-125 also doesn't have any frontal guns. It still would not be as good as the IL-28.

 

 

The EF-131 is also slow. It can only do 860 km/h, and that's with 6 engines.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OKB-1_EF_131

 

The EF 132 would be much faster, however that was a heavy bomber. But I doubt it would be added as Gaijin does not like planes that were not built. The best chance for Germany is the East German IL-28.

Edited August 23, 2018 by Borotovas

[Nell_Lucifer 927]

3 hours ago, Borotovas said:

 

The Arado is pretty much a horrible aircraft. The only way it would be a good aircraft was if it was tiered to only fight in prop battles, no jet battles.

 

IL-28:

1. Good bombload. 2. Very powerful frontal and defensive guns. 3. Very fast, even with a jet it is hard to catch.

 

IL-28Sh

1. Even better armament and options, it's obvious these two IL-28s are far superior to what Germany has.

 

Arado B:

1. small bombload. 2. No guns. 3. Very slow, you would have to be severely down-tiered to even start being faster than your opponents.

 

It's not very good with the Arado C either.

 

Arado C:

1. Still small bombload. 2. Only  frontal cannons. 3. Still very slow compared to other jets at your tier. How come every other nation has fast jet bombers, but Germany has these 2 joke planes that everyone can catch easily. It doesn't make sense, Germany needs a top tier jet.

 

You mean this plane? The main problem with the EF 125 would be that it's too slow, as you wrote it can only do 856 km/h; the IL-28 can do 902 km/h. The EF-125 also doesn't have any frontal guns. It still would not be as good as the IL-28.

 

 

The EF-131 is also slow. It can only do 860 km/h, and that's with 6 engines.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OKB-1_EF_131

 

The EF 132 would be much faster, however that was a heavy bomber. But I doubt it would be added as Gaijin does not like planes that were not built. The best chance for Germany is the East German IL-28.

As I wrote, the EF 125 would be in the 1000 km/h reach with the 34 kN engines. 

[Borotovas 4,500]

1 hour ago, Nell_Lucifer said:

As I wrote, the EF 125 would be in the 1000 km/h reach with the 34 kN engines. 

 

Okay, but the issue is that it does not have any forward facing guns. The other problem is Gaijins reluctance to add planes that were not built, which are considered fantasy or paper planes by many people. Many people don't like paper planes. There was somewhat of a backlash when the R2Y2s and Ho 229s were added.

 

Also, what would be the speed of the EF 131 with 6 jet engines; was the speed listed on Wikipedia accurate?

Edited August 24, 2018 by Borotovas

[Nell_Lucifer 927]

5 hours ago, Borotovas said:

 

Okay, but the issue is that it does not have any forward facing guns. The other problem is Gaijins reluctance to add planes that were not built, which are considered fantasy or paper planes by many people. Many people don't like paper planes. There was somewhat of a backlash when the R2Y2s and Ho 229s were added.

 

Also, what would be the speed of the EF 131 with 6 jet engines; was the speed listed on Wikipedia accurate?

Well the EF 125 is not really a paper plane, it was built and tested as the EF 131 but with a different set of engines. That's the only difference.

I am not sure, I am away for a couple of days and can't really look for info.

According to Luftwaffe secret bombers of the Third Reich the Ju 287 V3 had 870 km/h at 6000 m. I m not sure how trust worth this info is.

[Borotovas 4,500]

6 hours ago, Nell_Lucifer said:

Well the EF 125 is not really a paper plane, it was built and tested as the EF 131 but with a different set of engines. That's the only difference.

I am not sure, I am away for a couple of days and can't really look for info.

According to Luftwaffe secret bombers of the Third Reich the Ju 287 V3 had 870 km/h at 6000 m. I m not sure how trust worth this info is.

 

In that case, it may be possible. I'm just wondering how fast the variant with 6 engines would be. We most likely would need the EF 131, if it would be any faster than the EF 125. 

 

However, if Gaijin was not open to that aircraft being added, I'd still support the IL-28. And even if the EF-131 and EF-125 are added, I'd still want an IL-28 so that East Germany can be represented in game, and so that we could have accurate cold war battles.

[Z3r0_ 4,128]

22 hours ago, Borotovas said:

 

The Arado is pretty much a horrible aircraft. The only way it would be a good aircraft was if it was tiered to only fight in prop battles, no jet battles.

 

IL-28:

1. Good bombload. 2. Very powerful frontal and defensive guns. 3. Very fast, even with a jet it is hard to catch.

 

IL-28Sh

1. Even better armament and options, it's obvious these two IL-28s are far superior to what Germany has.

 

Arado B:

1. small bombload. 2. No guns. 3. Very slow, you would have to be severely down-tiered to even start being faster than your opponents.

 

It's not very good with the Arado C either.

 

Arado C:

1. Still small bombload. 2. Only  frontal cannons. 3. Still very slow compared to other jets at your tier. How come every other nation has fast jet bombers, but Germany has these 2 joke planes that everyone can catch easily. It doesn't make sense, Germany needs a top tier jet.

 

You mean this plane? The main problem with the EF 125 would be that it's too slow, as you wrote it can only do 856 km/h; the IL-28 can do 902 km/h. The EF-125 also doesn't have any frontal guns. It still would not be as good as the IL-28.

 

 

The EF-131 is also slow. It can only do 860 km/h, and that's with 6 engines.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OKB-1_EF_131

 

The EF 132 would be much faster, however that was a heavy bomber. But I doubt it would be added as Gaijin does not like planes that were not built. The best chance for Germany is the East German IL-28.

 

You DO realize that at one point the Arado C-3 was clubbing in low-tier jets, right?  If nothing else, having four engines with its weight gave it a REALLY high thrust-to-weight ratio compared to other jets of the time.  Pretty much the only jets that were a threat to it when flown properly were the F-84s and MiG-9s.  Its main weakness, of course, was the anemic firepower by rank 5 standards (while the MG 151s themselves are powerful, the reaction times you have to deal with at rank 5 are so quick that you really need more firepower to effectively take advantage of the few opportunities you get, when you get them).

 

Aaaaand then the Yak-23 came along and everybody seemed to forget about it.

[Borotovas 4,500]

19 hours ago, Z3r0_ said:

 

You DO realize that at one point the Arado C-3 was clubbing in low-tier jets, right?  If nothing else, having four engines with its weight gave it a REALLY high thrust-to-weight ratio compared to other jets of the time.  Pretty much the only jets that were a threat to it when flown properly were the F-84s and MiG-9s.  Its main weakness, of course, was the anemic firepower by rank 5 standards (while the MG 151s themselves are powerful, the reaction times you have to deal with at rank 5 are so quick that you really need more firepower to effectively take advantage of the few opportunities you get, when you get them).

 

Aaaaand then the Yak-23 came along and everybody seemed to forget about it.

 

Better aircraft came along that can kill it easier, and make it less efficient.

 

The thing is, that the Arado C is fighting post WWII aircraft, and is using outdated technology for the time. Germany needs the IL-28 to compete with post WWII jet bombers.

Edited August 25, 2018 by Borotovas

[kev2go 5,112]

i have to agree again. No more proto ww2 planes. 

 

 

Il28 is actually era appropriate, more practical, and better in performance defensive capability and bomb-load for its b.r than either ARado would be at the same b.r. or  the EF125

 

Reality is you can' expect  keep stretching in subar ww2 prototypes ( relative to endgame content)  int o9.0 b.r, and get competitive enough content.  The vocal minority need to accept  instances of Germany needing exported stuff from other nations in post ww2 era, which is something that will continue if tier 6 occurs.

Edited September 30, 2018 by kev2go

[kamikazi21358 998]

With the arrival of new helicopters, I thought of another idea regarding East Germany:  Have East Germany as a unlock-able tab like helicopters.

 

EG AF: once you reach rank 5 for Germany, you unlock the East German La-9 that you can buy, or if there is a lower tier EG vehicle, and there would be the seperate East German AF tech tree (fighters, bombers including IL-28, etc.)

 

EG Ground vehicles: once you reach rank 4 Germany for tanks, you unlock say the T-34-85.

 

Once you reach rank 5 for both, you unlock East German helicopters.

 

There would be soft stats regarding East, West, and WW2:

Arcade Battles this doesn’t matter, who cares?

Air Realistic this doesn’t matter, but for ground RB and Simulator Battles:

-the soft stat takes effect, for Air SB and ground RB, you can have WW2 vehicles in your lineup, but you cannot have East German vehicle’s in your lineup if you have a West German vehicle, or you can’t have a WG vehicle if you have an EG vehicle in your lineup.

-ground SB is handled in the event tab, so separating them where the EG forces fight for the Soviets would be easy.

 

Advantages of this:

 

-in all gamemodes, the East Germans would be paired with the Soviet team always.  East and West Germany cannot fight on the same side, nor will East German vehicles and West German vehicles will be able to be brought in the same lineup.

 

-allows for the reperesentation of East Germany, instead of going down Wast Germany players will have the option to play vehicles like the T-34-85 and T-34-85M, PT-76, (both would give rank 4 German teams the needed brawling vehicles they kind of need), T-54s, T-55s, 55As, 55AM (not -1), T-72M would get reperesented, etc.  Option for premiums are here too, I don’t remember what version but the T-64 was supplied to a single elite East German group (the only time the T-64 was used outside the Soviet Union I believe), which could make it a nice rank 5 premium (Gaijin loves their money).

 

-For Air, allows players to experience East German vehicles like the La-9, MiG-15s, MiG-17s potentially, IL-28, etc; which the IL-28 would help out with the lack of a bomber above 7.0 (wouldn’t be able to be used with West German vehicles in ground battles).  If Gaijin goes supersonic, which I bet they will (if not near future, probably far future, even if it is limited to ‘50s and early ‘60s), West Germany is actually a bit lacking from what I understand - they have options (G.91, F4 Phantom, Typhoon, etc.), but don’t have like a full tech tree I would say: US, USSR, UK, France, etc. will always have a bigger arsenal to choose from.  In this scenario they do go full Cold War, East Germany may be the opportunity for German players not to be left out.

 

-one of my main motivations for East Germany for ground forces: ANOTHER WARSAW PACT NATION!  If anyone knows what SB is like, they probably know top tier is currently NATO vs the Warsaw Pact... aka Russia vs Everyone.  And the que times reflect it.  If YoU wAnT tO PLaY aS EasT GeRMaNy wHy DoN’T You pUT EaST GeRMaN DeCalS ON yoUr RUsSian TaNK?

1. Then my ‘East German’ tank is shouting at me in Russian.

2.  I have rank 6 Soviets, I’d love to play my Soviet tanks.  BUT I F***ING CAN’T GET A BATTLE!

The second solution to this problem I can think of is to add China as well (which why not both?), but that would take a lot more effort and this would be more effective probably, as Germany is one of the if not most popular nation to play, and now you’ll be (not giving but allowing them to grind) a key to play on the Soviet side of SB.  (Admittedly it could be a challenge, but a Chinese tank tech tree would work too in the future - usually when say a Chinese tech tree or an Israeli tech tree is suggested, the immediate response and really only challenge of such nations is “BuT CHiNa WOuLd OnLY hAVE exPorT VehiClES As ThIER RAnK 1-3, No OnE WAnTs tHaT!”, but really that ultimate is a petty reason: enjoy your rank 3 to low rank 6 “Italian” tanks when they come out.)

Yeah I may sound salty, but you try sitting in que for a battle 40 minutes!

 

 

Overall though this is my suggestion for East Germany.

[Borotovas 4,500]

On 11/10/2018 at 15:30, kamikazi21358 said:

With the arrival of new helicopters, I thought of another idea regarding East Germany:  Have East Germany as a unlock-able tab like helicopters.

 

EG AF: once you reach rank 5 for Germany, you unlock the East German La-9 that you can buy, or if there is a lower tier EG vehicle, and there would be the seperate East German AF tech tree (fighters, bombers including IL-28, etc.)

 

EG Ground vehicles: once you reach rank 4 Germany for tanks, you unlock say the T-34-85.

 

Once you reach rank 5 for both, you unlock East German helicopters.

 

There would be soft stats regarding East, West, and WW2:

Arcade Battles this doesn’t matter, who cares?

Air Realistic this doesn’t matter, but for ground RB and Simulator Battles:

-the soft stat takes effect, for Air SB and ground RB, you can have WW2 vehicles in your lineup, but you cannot have East German vehicle’s in your lineup if you have a West German vehicle, or you can’t have a WG vehicle if you have an EG vehicle in your lineup.

-ground SB is handled in the event tab, so separating them where the EG forces fight for the Soviets would be easy.

 

Advantages of this:

 

-in all gamemodes, the East Germans would be paired with the Soviet team always.  East and West Germany cannot fight on the same side, nor will East German vehicles and West German vehicles will be able to be brought in the same lineup.

 

-allows for the reperesentation of East Germany, instead of going down Wast Germany players will have the option to play vehicles like the T-34-85 and T-34-85M, PT-76, (both would give rank 4 German teams the needed brawling vehicles they kind of need), T-54s, T-55s, 55As, 55AM (not -1), T-72M would get reperesented, etc.  Option for premiums are here too, I don’t remember what version but the T-64 was supplied to a single elite East German group (the only time the T-64 was used outside the Soviet Union I believe), which could make it a nice rank 5 premium (Gaijin loves their money).

 

-For Air, allows players to experience East German vehicles like the La-9, MiG-15s, MiG-17s potentially, IL-28, etc; which the IL-28 would help out with the lack of a bomber above 7.0 (wouldn’t be able to be used with West German vehicles in ground battles).  If Gaijin goes supersonic, which I bet they will (if not near future, probably far future, even if it is limited to ‘50s and early ‘60s), West Germany is actually a bit lacking from what I understand - they have options (G.91, F4 Phantom, Typhoon, etc.), but don’t have like a full tech tree I would say: US, USSR, UK, France, etc. will always have a bigger arsenal to choose from.  In this scenario they do go full Cold War, East Germany may be the opportunity for German players not to be left out.

 

-one of my main motivations for East Germany for ground forces: ANOTHER WARSAW PACT NATION!  If anyone knows what SB is like, they probably know top tier is currently NATO vs the Warsaw Pact... aka Russia vs Everyone.  And the que times reflect it.  If YoU wAnT tO PLaY aS EasT GeRMaNy wHy DoN’T You pUT EaST GeRMaN DeCalS ON yoUr RUsSian TaNK?

1. Then my ‘East German’ tank is shouting at me in Russian.

2.  I have rank 6 Soviets, I’d love to play my Soviet tanks.  BUT I F***ING CAN’T GET A BATTLE!

The second solution to this problem I can think of is to add China as well (which why not both?), but that would take a lot more effort and this would be more effective probably, as Germany is one of the if not most popular nation to play, and now you’ll be (not giving but allowing them to grind) a key to play on the Soviet side of SB.  (Admittedly it could be a challenge, but a Chinese tank tech tree would work too in the future - usually when say a Chinese tech tree or an Israeli tech tree is suggested, the immediate response and really only challenge of such nations is “BuT CHiNa WOuLd OnLY hAVE exPorT VehiClES As ThIER RAnK 1-3, No OnE WAnTs tHaT!”, but really that ultimate is a petty reason: enjoy your rank 3 to low rank 6 “Italian” tanks when they come out.)

Yeah I may sound salty, but you try sitting in que for a battle 40 minutes!

 

 

Overall though this is my suggestion for East Germany.

 

We do need more East German vehicles. East Germany is an important part of many of the conflicts simulated in game, so we need this. I also believe that we need the East German MiG-17.

[kamikazi21358 998]

They’re obviously not too anti-East Germany, considering they added the Mi-24P.  Now we have the MiG-15bis and the Mi-24P.

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

Should remain unique to the Russians. Only because East Germany had it and the MiG-15bis is available for the Germans doesn't mean it's a good idea to have it in the German tech tree.

 

The MiG-15bis was added to the Germans only to fill the lack of German 9.0s. There is no need for Germany to get a bomber from another nation when they can get pure German designs.

[kamikazi21358 998]

1 hour ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

Should remain unique to the Russians. Only because East Germany had it and the MiG-15bis is available for the Germans doesn't mean it's a good idea to have it in the German tech tree.

 

The MiG-15bis was added to the Germans only to fill the lack of German 9.0s. There is no need for Germany to get a bomber from another nation when they can get pure German designs.

However, *if* they ever do the rank 6 route for aircraft, Germany’s options would be very limited if they went West Germany, they do not have as many planes as tanks.

 

Which regarding ground forces, a few planes should help them, if East Germany is added.  I don’t play German ground forces as much, I play mostly Russian ground forces.  But I would like to see East germany reperesented, say as a separate tab, or something to prevent them from being on the same lineup/team as West Germany, because as you know Sb is Russia vs Everyone.  More Warsaw Pact and Communist nations would help SB MM, and in the future hopefully help ground forces MM, maybe Gaijin will finally be convinced people don’t like ‘Japan-Russia-France vs Germany-UK-US’ MM or what ever wacky mixed battles they can come up with.

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

16 hours ago, kamikazi21358 said:

However, *if* they ever do the rank 6 route for aircraft, Germany’s options would be very limited if they went West Germany, they do not have as many planes as tanks.

 

 

Yes they are planning on it, it's only a matter of time. But what does that have to do with a jet with tier 5 performance? The IL-28 is at tier 5 in the USSR tech tree right now.

 

16 hours ago, kamikazi21358 said:

Which regarding ground forces, a few planes should help them, if East Germany is added.

 

The Arados are there. The Alpha jet (at tier 6) and G.91R/3 could also come. No need for more copy pastas. 

[kamikazi21358 998]

8 minutes ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

Yes they are planning on it, it's only a matter of time. But what does that have to do with a jet with tier 5 performance? The IL-28 is at tier 5 in the USSR tech tree right now.

Beginning of a USSR bomber line, giving Germany an actual jet bomber post 7.0, a bomber that would support East German tanks in case of East German ground forces, which may be a possibility as the new East German Hind P just proved they still have interest in East Germany.

 

12 minutes ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

The Arados are there. The Alpha jet (at tier 6) and G.91R/3 could also come. No need for more copy pastas. 

Because an Arado stands a chance against a CL-13, or in the future a F-100 or a F4 or whatever.

 

13 minutes ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

No need for more copy pastas. 

Yeah, we’re already past that point, Gaijin doesn’t care.  Frankly though I don’t care either: I mean, if they were used and produced, why not?  *If they fight on the correct side.

 

17 minutes ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

The Alpha jet (at tier 6) and G.91R/3 could also come. No need for more copy pastas. 

 

As for the G.91, yeah I expect it to come, it and several other West German planes would be cool.  However, Russia and US will have extremely large and diverse trees - yeah West Germany doesn’t get as much in comparison, and all the ones you do get are the ‘copy-pastas’ 90% of the time anyways.  Meanwhile, I would go as far as to say East Germany would provide more jets for rank 5-6 than West Germany would get.  If separated right... what’s the harm?  If East Germany can be successfully separated with say a soft stay or be put in a special East Germany tab, what is the harm in adding them?  Because for ground forces, they would bring massive benefits for the cost of rather petty beefs with them.

[Borotovas 4,500]

18 hours ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

The Arados are there. The Alpha jet (at tier 6) and G.91R/3 could also come. No need for more copy pastas. 

 

So you're telling me that an Arado is a good match for a Sabre?

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

On 29/10/2018 at 16:40, kamikazi21358 said:

Beginning of a USSR bomber line, giving Germany an actual jet bomber post 7.0, a bomber that would support East German tanks in case of East German ground forces, which may be a possibility as the new East German Hind P just proved they still have interest in East Germany.

 

 

The only reason they added that Hind is to fill a gap. I think everyone knew the German helicopter tree wasn't going to have many indigenous designs.

 

On 29/10/2018 at 16:40, kamikazi21358 said:

Because an Arado stands a chance against a CL-13, or in the future a F-100 or a F4 or whatever.

 

 

Apparently, that matters in tank RB, even though your objective in a plane with bombs in tank RB is to bomb enemy tanks. Oh, yes I can also confirm a mach 2 jet fighter/interceptor will have the same BR as the Arado or near it.

 

On 29/10/2018 at 16:40, kamikazi21358 said:

Yeah, we’re already past that point, Gaijin doesn’t care.  Frankly though I don’t care either: I mean, if they were used and produced, why not?  *If they fight on the correct side.

 

 

Germany has enough indigenous designs for its aviation tech tree till tier 5. No need rip off the IL-28's uniqueness to the Russians. 

 

On 29/10/2018 at 16:40, kamikazi21358 said:

As for the G.91, yeah I expect it to come, it and several other West German planes would be cool.  However, Russia and US will have extremely large and diverse trees - yeah West Germany doesn’t get as much in comparison, and all the ones you do get are the ‘copy-pastas’ 90% of the time anyways.  Meanwhile, I would go as far as to say East Germany would provide more jets for rank 5-6 than West Germany would get.  If separated right... what’s the harm?  If East Germany can be successfully separated with say a soft stay or be put in a special East Germany tab, what is the harm in adding them?  Because for ground forces, they would bring massive benefits for the cost of rather petty beefs with them.

 

This is another case. The Germans will have to get fillers from other nations for tier 6 because they didn't design anything in real life that would go into tier 6 in the game. 

 

7 hours ago, Borotovas said:

So you're telling me that an Arado is a good match for a Sabre?

 

In tank rb, when the Sabre is always slow because of its rockets and CAS role, yes of course. 

 

Besides my defense of the IL-28 remaining unique, I refuse to let Germany have the best of both worlds (NATO and Russian vehicles at the same time).

Edited October 30, 2018 by EpicBlitzkrieg87

[kamikazi21358 998]

3 hours ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

The only reason they added that Hind is to fill a gap. I think everyone knew the German helicopter tree wasn't going to have many indigenous designs.

And there isn’t a gap between 7.0 and a non-existant 9.0 in the bomber line?

 

3 hours ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

Apparently, that matters in tank RB, even though your objective in a plane with bombs in tank RB is to bomb enemy tanks. Oh, yes I can also confirm a mach 2 jet fighter/interceptor will have the same BR as the Arado or near it.

And if you can’t get to the field to bomb the tank?  Air defense should be strong, but we’re talking about Mach .9 aircraft with guns, something the Arado doesn’t even have is basic armement, and the 2nd one has forward facing ones without defensive weapons, so it seems like a very unbalanced situations moreso than any of the other nations...

 

3 hours ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

Germany has enough indigenous designs for its aviation tech tree till tier 5.

The IL-28 is rank 5.

And if you mean at rank 5 as well, the Arado is doing a pretty good job vs 9.0.

 

3 hours ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

No need rip off the IL-28's uniqueness to the Russians. 

Yeah I am mainly a Russian player anymore, I have the Soviet IL-28.  I frankly would love East Germany to come and support us, it would be a realistic.  As well, if you’re unaware, in tank SB it is Russia vs Everyone - and the que times reflect it.

 

As well, another thing I don’t understand:

 

M4 Sherman in every tech tree in the game.

nobody bats an eye.

All but 3 nations have at least 1 US jet at rank 5.

nobody bats an eye.

Some trees have some ranks with more US vehicles than native vehicles.

nobody bats an eye.

Suggestion: There are no top tier German bombers, as well there are no other really reperesented Warsaw Pact nation’s in game, why don’t we add East Germa-

EXCUSE ME WHAT THE F***?

 

3 hours ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

This is another case. The Germans will have to get fillers from other nations for tier 6 because they didn't design anything in real life that would go into tier 6 in the game. 

So Germany doesn’t have a bomber for 8.0-9.0, why not start now?

 

3 hours ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

In tank rb, when the Sabre is always slow because of its rockets and CAS role, yes of course. 

And the Arado can’t outrun a propeller aircraft with it’s bombs - what kind of f*** bombs are those?  Depleted Uranium?

 

3 hours ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

Besides my defense of the IL-28 remaining unique, I refuse to let Germany have the best of both worlds (NATO and Russian vehicles at the same time).

It’s not the best of both worlds - Russia still has the IL-28Sh variant that does all the same things plus attacker load outs.  This isn’t a 9.0, this isn’t asking for a MiG-17, (which probably would come in case of Rank 6 tbf).  If something was done like I have suggested above before (something to separate East and West), I’m sure Russian players other than just me would love the support, and another communist nation would balance the 6 NATO nations vs 1 WP nation, maybe just a small step forward into having more realistic match makers for Cold War vehicles hopefully, or importantly a step for perhaps East German ground forces to be added so I don’t have to wait for a Simulator match for 40 minutes with my T-55, at least it would help.

[Nell_Lucifer 927]

14 hours ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

The Germans will have to get fillers from other nations for tier 6 because they didn't design anything in real life that would go into tier 6 in the game. 

They did design multiple post war aircrafts, some where built as prototypes ex VJ 101 and VAK 191 (armament could be carried as payloads) And many more that can go into the 2 mach category.

EWR 400

FW 860

If Gaijin feels like, they could add these aircrafts for tier 5 like they did with the Bf 109Z or giving the prototypes cannons like they did with the Me 163 B-0 even if it was not able to use the engine in that configuration.

[IOC_000 924]

1 hour ago, Nell_Lucifer said:

They did design multiple post war aircrafts, some where built as prototypes ex VJ 101 and VAK 191 (armament could be carried as payloads) And many more that can go into the 2 mach category.

EWR 400

FW 860

If Gaijin feels like, they could add these aircrafts for tier 5 like they did with the Bf 109Z or giving the prototypes cannons like they did with the Me 163 B-0 even yif it was not able to use the engine in that configuration.

Pretty sure they provided documentation showing the configuration was actually usable in the rumor roundup thread; but anyway that's beside the point. There's no reason to go for paper planes (Or ones of a dubious nature) when planes were built,flown and used in service are available. Which the Il-28 was.

[Nell_Lucifer 927]

2 hours ago, IOC_000 said:

Pretty sure they provided documentation showing the configuration was actually usable in the rumor roundup thread; but anyway that's beside the point. There's no reason to go for paper planes (Or ones of a dubious nature) when planes were built,flown and used in service are available. Which the Il-28 was.

I was mostly talking about tank 6 but like I said before, there are other planes that can replace the Il-28

EF-131, 140, 125.

[kamikazi21358 998]

7 hours ago, IOC_000 said:

There's no reason to go for paper planes (Or ones of a dubious nature) when planes were built,flown and used in service are available. Which the Il-28 was.

+1 - produced before protos.

[Borotovas 4,500]

On 30/10/2018 at 12:05, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

Germany has enough indigenous designs for its aviation tech tree till tier 5. No need rip off the IL-28's uniqueness to the Russians. 

 

In tank rb, when the Sabre is always slow because of its rockets and CAS role, yes of course. 

 

Besides my defense of the IL-28 remaining unique, I refuse to let Germany have the best of both worlds (NATO and Russian vehicles at the same time).

 

You mean Soviets?

 

Then you should play some air RB. The world doesn't revolve around tank RB.

 

So you want Germany to have the best of one world, and erase the fact that Germany was split into two parts after WWII.

 

On 31/10/2018 at 03:16, Nell_Lucifer said:

They did design multiple post war aircrafts, some where built as prototypes ex VJ 101 and VAK 191 (armament could be carried as payloads) And many more that can go into the 2 mach category.

EWR 400

FW 860

If Gaijin feels like, they could add these aircrafts for tier 5 like they did with the Bf 109Z or giving the prototypes cannons like they did with the Me 163 B-0 even if it was not able to use the engine in that configuration.

 

 

Yeah, more Star Wars science fiction star fighters. I thought asking for the E.555 was already too much, but this?

 

I'd rather we see real planes.

 

On 31/10/2018 at 06:05, Nell_Lucifer said:

I was mostly talking about tank 6 but like I said before, there are other planes that can replace the Il-28

EF-131, 140, 125.

 

I have to disagree, as those planes are not replacements.

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

On 30/10/2018 at 22:18, kamikazi21358 said:

And there isn’t a gap between 7.0 and a non-existent 9.0 in the bomber line?

 

No there isn't. The maximum BR for jet bombers is 8.0 if you don't count the Vautour IIB, but BR doesn't determine if there is a gap. If you want a German jet bomber, ask for the Ju 287 V1.

 

On 30/10/2018 at 22:18, kamikazi21358 said:

And if you can’t get to the field to bomb the tank?  Air defense should be strong, but we’re talking about Mach .9 aircraft with guns, something the Arado doesn’t even have is basic armement, and the 2nd one has forward facing ones without defensive weapons, so it seems like a very unbalanced situations moreso than any of the other nations...

 

 

If you can't get to the field to bomb a tank, it is your fault. After you spawn, if an engagement happens between you and someone else, all you have to do is evade and continue flying in a straight line towards the tanks. And if they decide to engage you one more time, you just have to be a bit more careful and you have your second pass done. After the second pass you've probably used all of your secondary ordnance options. And your argument against the Arado 234 C-3 is very weak; it is a very capable aircraft due to its acceleration and rate of climb, it does not need defensive gunners to be a good "bomber". It's actually not even a bomber, more so a fighter-bomber like the R2Y2s.

 

On 30/10/2018 at 22:18, kamikazi21358 said:

The IL-28 is rank 5.

And if you mean at rank 5 as well, the Arado is doing a pretty good job vs 9.0.

 

 

Yes it's rank 5. Why did you bring up tier 6 then? 

 

In tank RB, of course the Arado is doing pretty well. A Sabre in tank RB usually has rockets and is doing CAS role, thus being always low on speed which makes it reasonably easy for the Arado C-3 to go up against it. If you mean in air RB, then I think you are in a weird state of mind right now, because the Arado C-3 is 7.0 so it doesn't fight 9.0.

 

On 30/10/2018 at 22:18, kamikazi21358 said:

M4 Sherman in every tech tree in the game.

nobody bats an eye.

All but 3 nations have at least 1 US jet at rank 5.

nobody bats an eye.

Some trees have some ranks with more US vehicles than native vehicles.

nobody bats an eye.

Suggestion: There are no top tier German bombers, as well there are no other really reperesented Warsaw Pact nation’s in game, why don’t we add East Germa-

EXCUSE ME WHAT THE F***?

 

It's my turn to say something I don't understand.

 

Is making the same mistake yet another time going to fix anything?

No. 

And frankly, the M4 Sherman is in the French tech tree to fill needed big gap. The IL-28 would not fill any gap, because there is none. But then you can say "oh but there's no 8.0 jet bomber for Germany"; I already said what had to be sad previously. Remember also the IL-28 is a 7.0 jet by performance and payload.

 

On 30/10/2018 at 22:18, kamikazi21358 said:

So Germany doesn’t have a bomber for 8.0-9.0, why not start now?

 

 

Not needed?

On 30/10/2018 at 22:18, kamikazi21358 said:

And the Arado can’t outrun a propeller aircraft with it’s bombs - what kind of f*** bombs are those?  Depleted Uranium?

 

 

The B-2, actually it can, when it's at speed. The C-3? MOST DEFINITELY and very well.

 

Don't underestimate 3 x 500 kg. The German 6.7 lineup is renowned, and in air RB those are enough for a base. It's not like a bigger payload would make any difference in air battles; the bombing role is a waste of time there. 

 

On 30/10/2018 at 22:18, kamikazi21358 said:

It’s not the best of both worlds - Russia still has the IL-28Sh variant that does all the same things plus attacker load outs.  This isn’t a 9.0, this isn’t asking for a MiG-17, (which probably would come in case of Rank 6 tbf).  If something was done like I have suggested above before (something to separate East and West), I’m sure Russian players other than just me would love the support, and another communist nation would balance the 6 NATO nations vs 1 WP nation, maybe just a small step forward into having more realistic match makers for Cold War vehicles hopefully, or importantly a step for perhaps East German ground forces to be added so I don’t have to wait for a Simulator match for 40 minutes with my T-55, at least it would help.

 

In my view, I'm sure Russian players would not want to have a unique jet bomber made "un-unique" by Germany. And someone who has all planes researched like me does not feel motivated to grind yet another copypasta. The F-84G sickened me.

 

You don't need the best planes to have the best of both worlds. Having the best of both worlds means having from each side in just 1 place regardless of how good they get. In Germany's current case, it's their Sabre and their MiG.