aircraft/loadouts East Germany Il-28

[Nell_Lucifer 927]

3 hours ago, Borotovas said:

 

 

Yeah, more Star Wars science fiction star fighters. I thought asking for the E.555 was already too much, but this?

 

I'd rather we see real planes.

 

 

I have to disagree, as those planes are not replacements.

1.The VJ 101 and VAK 191 were built.

2.How they are not a replacement? Having the same firepower in the tail, being fast (faster) and having a much higher payload.

[Borotovas 4,500]

3 hours ago, Nell_Lucifer said:

1.The VJ 101 and VAK 191 were built.

2.How they are not a replacement? Having the same firepower in the tail, being fast (faster) and having a much higher payload.

 

Those planes never had any weapons.VJ 101 flew only about 40 times, and half of those were just hover tests and not real flights. VAK 191 was supposed to carry nuclear weapons, which we will never get in WT. VAK 191 only flew on 91 test flights, of which several were only hovering flights. These planes are very experimental, and I doubt we will see them.

 

The EF 131, 140, and 125 were designed in the Third Reich during WWII. They were not designed to replace the post-war East German Il-28.

Edited November 4, 2018 by Borotovas

[kamikazi21358 998]

7 hours ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

No there isn't. The maximum BR for jet bombers is 8.0 if you don't count the Vautour IIB, but BR doesn't determine if there is a gap. If you want a German jet bomber, ask for the Ju 287 V1.

 

1. So where's the 8.0?

 

2. I stand by my previous statement:

 

Produced before protos

 

7 hours ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

If you can't get to the field to bomb a tank, it is your fault. After you spawn, if an engagement happens between you and someone else, all you have to do is evade and continue flying in a straight line towards the tanks. And if they decide to engage you one more time, you just have to be a bit more careful and you have your second pass done. After the second pass you've probably used all of your secondary ordnance options. And your argument against the Arado 234 C-3 is very weak; it is a very capable aircraft due to its acceleration and rate of climb, it does not need defensive gunners to be a good "bomber". It's actually not even a bomber, more so a fighter-bomber like the R2Y2s.

R2Y2 has 4 30mm cannons, so I would obviously choose it for a fighter-bomber roll.  That is assuming it doesn’t get removed - they showed interest in replacing it as it actually never was made.

 

So if you wanted to go on a bombing mission, what would you choose?

I would choose the IL-28:

 

3000 KG bomb, or 4 500kg bombs.

 

Red lines near it’s rip speed flying strait line at sea level, can rip in 5 degree dive.

 

2 23mm forward facing guns, and 2 rear facing 23mms in a turret arcing a full 180 degrees, side-to-side and up-to-down.

 

Feels almost just as maneuverable.

 

7 hours ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

Yes it's rank 5. Why did you bring up tier 6 then?

“Germany has enough indigenous designs for its aviation tech tree till tier 5.”

Read the last part, but slower.

Which thank you, you support my arguement.

 

7 hours ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

In tank RB, of course the Arado is doing pretty well. A Sabre in tank RB usually has rockets and is doing CAS role, thus being always low on speed which makes it reasonably easy for the Arado C-3 to go up against it. If you mean in air RB, then I think you are in a weird state of mind right now, because the Arado C-3 is 7.0 so it doesn't fight 9.0.

No but when you bring it against top tier tanks, it does go against 9.0s.

 

So you’re saying a 1000+ km/h jet with 8 aerodynamic rockets can’t catch up with a Arado 234?  7.0 fighters can catch the Arado, I don’t think a 9.0 will have any difficulty, unless if it is loaded like a F-105 and carrying 12,000 lbs of bombs (which then the German team has way, way worse concerns than loosing an allied jet.

 

Meanwhile in Air RB - German teams lack bombers to fight on their team, unless paired with another.

 

7 hours ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

It's my turn to say something I don't understand.

 

Is making the same mistake yet another time going to fix anything?

No. 

And frankly, the M4 Sherman is in the French tech tree to fill needed big gap. The IL-28 would not fill any gap, because there is none. But then you can say "oh but there's no 8.0 jet bomber for Germany"; I already said what had to be sad previously. Remember also the IL-28 is a 7.0 jet by performance and payload.

Yeah, where is the mistake again?  You obviously didn’t finish your statement.

 

The IL-28 has double the payload - and remember that it actually has defensive guns?  They’re no joke, I’ve gotten 5 kills with them before in less than 30 seconds: flying behind this thing is apsolute suicide.  What do I get from flying behind an Arado?  A slight breeze.

 

7 hours ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

Not needed?

Like Italy?

 

(at first, silence.  And then, the faint cries of thousands of triggered axis fanboys begin to grow...)

 

7 hours ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

Don't underestimate 3 x 500 kg. The German 6.7 lineup is renowned, and in air RB those are enough for a base. It's not like a bigger payload would make any difference in air battles; the bombing role is a waste of time there. 

Don’t underestimate 4 500kg bombs.  Or a 3000kg bomb.  The 6.7 lineup is amazing but perhaps consider there is such thing as ‘becoming obsolete?’

 

”waste of time”  (Laughs in Russian IL-28)

 

7 hours ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

And someone who has all planes researched like me does not feel motivated to grind yet another copypasta.

Then ignore it, there is no obligation for you to get it.  “Because I don’t want it means nobody wants it.”

 

7 hours ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

The F-84G sickened me.

I see, you’re just one of those people who are anti-everything that is isn’t home made people then?  Even if they were mass used by said country?

 

7 hours ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

You don't need the best planes to have the best of both worlds. Having the best of both worlds means having from each side in just 1 place regardless of how good they get. In Germany's current case, it's their Sabre and their MiG.

IL-28 isn’t the best of both worlds, the Russians have the IL-28Sh, as well in the future possibly the IL-40, and mainly the Tu-16 once appropriate counters are available.

 

MiG-15bis =/= MiG-17.

 

CL-13 is home modified Sabre, but it mainly just highlights the imbalance of top tier anyways.

 

7 hours ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

In my view, I'm sure Russian players would not want to have a unique jet bomber made "un-unique" by Germany.

 

I don’t think you understood:

 

I play mostly Russians now.  I have Rank V aircraft and Rank VI Tanks.

 

I have the IL-28.

 

I have played it in RB, and I have played it a lot in SB.

 

I have spaded it.

 

I have purchased a Talisman for it.

 

I have gotten 73k+ RP games in it before.

 

I have gotten 5+ kill RB games in it before.

 

I AM a Russian player, and I AM a IL-28 player.

 

I would LOVE to see East Germany.

 

Fly side by side with a East German IL-28 to the airfield.

 

Drive side by side with a T-72M in my T-72 Ural.

 

Have them on the Soviet side of tank SB, so it isn’t literally Russia vs Everyone with 20-40 min que times.

 

If there are enough, perhaps put them in their own tab or something, where they are unlocked like helicopters, or have a stat that prevents both East and West being in the same lineup and team.

 

I have nothing to gain from this, I already have the IL-28, I rarely play Germany anymore.

 

I Am a Russian IL-28 player, and I approve of this suggestion.

[VWGolf4_20v_AGU 132]

+1

[Borotovas 4,500]

I'm going to have to agree with this plane more. Now that we are getting post WWII vehicles, this plane would be perfect. Along with other East German operated vehicles. 

[Stuhlfleisch 3,762]

This would be a great addition, I support this.

[kamikazi21358 998]

5 hours ago, Borotovas said:

I'm going to have to agree with this plane more. Now that we are getting post WWII vehicles, this plane would be perfect. Along with other East German operated vehicles. 

As I suggested earlier, unfortunetly West Germany is somewhat lacking in potential by itself, and will not have an antiquate bomber arsenal as far as I am aware.  Now that Rank VI is coming, I think it frankly is just a matter of time.

[Borotovas 4,500]

2 hours ago, kamikazi21358 said:

As I suggested earlier, unfortunetly West Germany is somewhat lacking in potential by itself, and will not have an antiquate bomber arsenal as far as I am aware.  Now that Rank VI is coming, I think it frankly is just a matter of time.

 

I'd have to agree. East Germany in general had more sophisticated and better planes than west Germany. It had a wide variety of MiGs operational as well. Gaijin should focus on East Germany, not West.

[Solarmod 1,203]

Gonna be a +1 from me, Germany needs more bombers, and as much as I hate for it to not be an indigenous design, It's needed.

[Milocat 4,854]

This is one of the only options for more German jet bombers.  I'll give it a +1 since it was used by East Germany.

[Borotovas 4,500]

On 03/10/2019 at 13:19, Solarmod said:

Gonna be a +1 from me, Germany needs more bombers, and as much as I hate for it to not be an indigenous design, It's needed.

 

I agree, Germany has no post-WWII bombers. The Arado isn't capable of matching planes in tier 5 and tier 6. Germany needs this.

[Sergentbulldog 9]

It's Bulldog too, I wish there was also the Soviet Il-28 in the German search tree.

 

[WayOfTheWolk 1,573]

Well folks according to the patch notes, the LSK IL-28 will be coming this summer. 

 

[OsirisD 4,025]

Sadly like every soviet plane in German TT IL has white camo...

[Solarmod 1,203]

On 22/08/2020 at 15:35, WayOfTheWolk said:

Well folks according to the patch notes, the LSK IL-28 will be coming this summer. 

 

and the dev server

[Pony51 6,572]

On 20/11/2019 at 15:06, Borotovas said:

 

I agree, Germany has no post-WWII bombers. The Arado isn't capable of matching planes in tier 5 and tier 6. Germany needs this.

 

Arado 234C can carry 2x 1000kg bombs, but is not in game.

[Z3r0_ 4,128]

5 hours ago, Pony51 said:

 

Arado 234C can carry 2x 1000kg bombs, but is not in game.

 

Which still isn't quite on the level of the Canberras or Il-28s last I checked (though it would be an improvement)

On 20/11/2019 at 13:06, Borotovas said:

 

I agree, Germany has no post-WWII bombers. The Arado isn't capable of matching planes in tier 5 and tier 6. Germany needs this.

 

Correction: they don't have any that were built in Germany.  Technically speaking the last jet bomber designed by Germany's wartime engineers would've been the OKB-1 150, by a team headed by ex-Junkers engineer Brunolf Baade.  It probably would've gone into service with the Soviets if the bureaucrats hadn't screwed his team over (a problem which also affected other non-Russian design teams in the late-1940s Eastern Bloc aviation industry), and the plane did form the basis for an airliner prototype known as the Baade 152 (which itself also failed to enter service).  Capability-wise it'd be somewhere between the IL-28 and the initial model of the Tu-16.

Edited August 24, 2020 by Z3r0_

[Pony51 6,572]

19 hours ago, Z3r0_ said:

Which still isn't quite on the level of the Canberras or Il-28s last I checked (though it would be an improvement)

Agree, but that added (approximately) 250kg TNT does make a difference (more than improvement).

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Correction: they don't have any that were built in Germany.  Technically speaking the last jet bomber designed by Germany's wartime engineers would've been the OKB-1 150, by a team headed by ex-Junkers engineer Brunolf Baade.  It probably would've gone into service with the Soviets if the bureaucrats hadn't screwed his team over (a problem which also affected other non-Russian design teams in the late-1940s Eastern Bloc aviation industry), and the plane did form the basis for an airliner prototype known as the Baade 152 (which itself also failed to enter service).  Capability-wise it'd be somewhere between the IL-28 and the initial model of the Tu-16.

The prototype of the above was the Ju 287, which did fly and thus fulfills the minimum requirement for game.

 

The proposed production was different, but I see no reason it cannot be in game.

 

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2016/11/13/the-ju-287-plane-had-parts-from-two-b-24s-hitlers-frankensteins-monster/

 

 

[Z3r0_ 4,128]

On 25/08/2020 at 10:05, Pony51 said:

Agree, but that added (approximately) 250kg TNT does make a difference (more than improvement).

The prototype of the above was the Ju 287, which did fly and thus fulfills the minimum requirement for game.

 

The proposed production was different, but I see no reason it cannot be in game.

 

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2016/11/13/the-ju-287-plane-had-parts-from-two-b-24s-hitlers-frankensteins-monster/

 

 

 

The V-1, which was by no means combat-ready (it had FIXED LANDING GEAR ffs) flew in Germany, but subsequent development took place in the Soviet Union. Coincidentally, some of the flight data from the Ju 287 went into Baade's project at OKB-1 (he designed both aircraft) that I mentioned previously.

Edited August 26, 2020 by Z3r0_

[Pony51 6,572]

2 hours ago, Z3r0_ said:

 

The V-1, which was by no means combat-ready (it had FIXED LANDING GEAR ffs) flew in Germany, but subsequent development took place in the Soviet Union. Coincidentally, some of the flight data from the Ju 287 went into Baade's project at OKB-1 (he designed both aircraft) that I mentioned previously.

 

Of course, but the V3 version is a candidate for a production version, which probably is what the OKB-1 140 became instead, except with 6 Jumo or BMW engines instead of the 2 more powerful Mikulin engines.

[Stuhlfleisch 3,762]

21 hours ago, Pony51 said:

 

Of course, but the V3 version is a candidate for a production version, which probably is what the OKB-1 140 became instead, except with 6 Jumo or BMW engines instead of the 2 more powerful Mikulin engines.

But where would you put it? Both Germany and the USSR would be valid contenders, unless Gaijin would add it to both trees. (If they ever want to add the OKB-1 EF 140)

[Pony51 6,572]

3 hours ago, Stuhlfleisch said:

But where would you put it? Both Germany and the USSR would be valid contenders, unless Gaijin would add it to both trees. (If they ever want to add the OKB-1 EF 140)

 

Ju 287A (production) will be after Ar 234, before Il-28, regular tree (as it would go into production if war continued)

 

OKB-1 140 as a Premium in USSR (since it never went into production)

[Solarmod 1,203]

On 27/08/2020 at 17:04, Pony51 said:

 

Ju 287A (production) will be after Ar 234, before Il-28, regular tree (as it would go into production if war continued)

 

OKB-1 140 as a Premium in USSR (since it never went into production)

Or, I could get off my rear and finish my Splitting the german bomber line, but haha I'm lazy.

[Z3r0_ 4,128]

On 29/08/2020 at 11:30, Solarmod said:

Or, I could get off my rear and finish my Splitting the german bomber line, but haha I'm lazy.

 

I've been thinking about that idea a bit myself lately.  I'll draw up an idea for what I'm thinking and send it to you as a PM, how about that?

[Fulgrymm 52]

As of Raining Fire, this suggestion is moot. But I support it and appreciate the addition to the tree.