BMP-3 - The IFV with the firepower of a light tank

[CoMurey2 131]

4 hours ago, xX_Lord_James_Xx said:

 

Too modern to be premium yet, and please don't give the snail any ideas.....

 

I'm hardcore Light tank player. and I'm thirsty for new IFVs, I think BMP-3 will not be in game before the second version (BMP-2). but at least if we want it to be in the game we must help it. I believe that this vehicle will be so good for campers sniping.

 

2 hours ago, Nope said:

 

And here's the problem: the BMP-3 was made to be pretty damn well-armored against autocannon rounds. Stuff like 25mm APDS from the M242 would do nothing to the front unless the turret is hit. The hardened steel in front and the optimum hardness steel (something like 300 BHN) behind would not be able to stop such strong rounds on their own, hence why the fuel tanks are in front as they add a decent amount of protection without adding extra weight that could hinder the IFV's role. And according to the guys making the 40mm CTA (very strong autocannon made to destroy the toughest of IFVs without completely negating rate of fire or suppression), the BMP-3's armor protection really isn't a joke (p.13).

 

https://ndiastorage.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/ndia/2002/gun/leslie.pdf

 

If the protection level isn't "haha it paper why bother looking for sources" partially because what would be considered a module in WT increases protection, then we have some serious issues with the implementation of the BMP-3. See, I don't brush off armor just because it's supposedly light.

 

It's called a Light Armor for a reason....

[Nope 10,634]

1 hour ago, CoMurey2 said:

It's called a Light Armor for a reason...

 

You are not even trying to disprove what I've said. Against light firepower light armor is effective. In fact, for its class, the BMP-3 is actually pretty well-armored, and since it has some kind of noticeable armor protection that will make it difficult to penetrate frontally for anything that isn't a single shot cannon, its armor cannot be overlooked at all. "Light armor" is not a number you know. The numbers I showed you are what some people in the defense industry believe the so-called light armor can do against autocannons, and from what I can tell this is enough armor to force lesser IFVs to flank or fire an ATGM that could have very well been better used against an MBT. Because of that and the fact that the fuel tank has a significant role in improving said armor protection to that level, the BMP-3's armor is not possible to model in WT without the potential for serious balance issues.

[kev2go 5,112]

 

I dont see the Fuel tank that big of an issue even though they stop more then they Should.

 

almost all the time IN war thunder whne i Hit a fuel tank of any given even if it eats a Shell It ignites the tank very foten. ( even with APDS) Even at times Shrpanel spreads and injures or kills other crew. 

 

Which a player will have to either Kill opponent fast ( Risk explosion at any moment)  or Put out fire which equals death because while extinguisging the enemy can shoot back and you cant.

 

 

Edited November 8, 2017 by kev2go

[xX_Lord_James_Xx 2,400]

3 hours ago, kev2go said:

 

Which a player will have to either Kill opponent fast ( Risk explosion at any moment)  or Put out fire which equals death because while extinguisging the enemy can shoot back and you cant.

 

I've killed plenty of people while on fire, it's not hard, but is dependent on where you're looking. 

 

 

The main concern that Nope has (at least, I think this is what he's saying), is that the BMP-3 has armor that is resistant to autocannons from the front. This is concerning because NO OTHER IFV can reliably defend against 40mm shells, let alone 30mm like the BMP-3 has as a secondary weapon. Basically it is immune to enemy IFV autocannons but no other IFV (that's declassified) is immune to the BMP-3's autocannon, and that's not what balance is. 

[Ronin_GE 694]

Hmm, A BMP-3 commes in at ~19tons.

What makes you think that its better protected then a 27 ton M2 or a 33 ton Marder or a  23 ton CV90?

 

Modern 30mm or 25mm ammo should be able to punch trough 100-150 mm of armoursteel ...I doubt an 19ton IFV, has that much in many places. Sure, you can pull allmost ALL armour in the front...but then the sides won't resist a srewdriver...

[CoMurey2 131]

8 hours ago, Ronin_GE said:

Hmm, A BMP-3 commes in at ~19tons.

What makes you think that its better protected then a 27 ton M2 or a 33 ton Marder or a  23 ton CV90?

 

Modern 30mm or 25mm ammo should be able to punch trough 100-150 mm of armoursteel ...I doubt an 19ton IFV, has that much in many places. Sure, you can pull allmost ALL armour in the front...but then the sides won't resist a srewdriver...

 

A knife with pro sword man is better than a MG used by a kid.... I think that every vehicle is unique and must be played differently.

 

As I said before its advantages are mobility and versatile armament! So, BMP-3 is hardcore scout and flanker...!

Edited November 8, 2017 by CoMurey2

[kev2go 5,112]

8 hours ago, CoMurey2 said:

 

A knife with pro sword man is better than a MG used by a kid.... I think that every vehicle is unique and must be played differently.

 

 

 

welll.....

 

 

Edited November 8, 2017 by kev2go

[CoMurey2 131]

19 hours ago, kev2go said:

 

welll.....

 

 

LOL nice one..

[CoMurey2 131]

No I meant this but with a sword XD

 

dodging bullets XD

[Ronin_GE 694]

On 8.11.2017 at 4:12 PM, CoMurey2 said:

 

A knife with pro sword man is better than a MG used by a kid.... I think that every vehicle is unique and must be played differently.

 

As I said before its advantages are mobility and versatile armament! So, BMP-3 is hardcore scout and flanker...!

It has a good tactical mobility because its amphibious.

 

In speed and agility, the CV90 will beat it any day...

[CoMurey2 131]

2 minutes ago, Ronin_GE said:

It has a good tactical mobility because its amphibious.

 

In speed and agility, the CV90 will beat it any day...

the CV90, Oh man I like it...

[Nope 10,634]

56 minutes ago, Ronin_GE said:

In speed and agility, the CV90 will beat it any day...

 

Also in modularity since the CV 90 platform can be used for many different roles without such radical redesigns worthy of a new vehicle. Autocannon suppression is where the CV 90 falls behind.

[Cryptocurrency 1,197]

100% support all the way 

[RefrigerRaider 563]

I bump because soviets needs its own atgm slinging autocannon ifv for top tier

[dotEXCEL 5,969]

+1

[Flavettes 1,101]

I don't think it's a good idea. BMP-2 will fit in better. BMP-3 is lighter than many other IFVs but it is still bigger than a BMP-1/2, and I am just so tired of getting hull broken by an APFSDS shell grazing a tiny corner of my hull and only damaging my radiator as it over penetrates. 

[kev2go 5,112]

10 minutes ago, Flavettes said:

I don't think it's a good idea. BMP-2 will fit in better. BMP-3 is lighter than many other IFVs but it is still bigger than a BMP-1/2, and I am just so tired of getting hull broken by an APFSDS shell grazing a tiny corner of my hull and only damaging my radiator as it over penetrates. 

 

I disagree bmp3 will be better suited. 

 

Plus it's more mobile

[Flavettes 1,101]

8 minutes ago, kev2go said:

 

I disagree bmp3 will be better suited. 

 

Plus it's more mobile

 

I don't see how. 30mm autocannon on the BMP-3 isn't more powerful than the one on the BMP-2. In fact the cannon of the BMP-2 fires faster (up to 800 RPM) so it may be deadlier and also be a more dangerous SPAA. Also the 130mm Konkurs missile on the BMP-2 can penetrate more than the 100mm Bastion of the BMP-3. BMP-3 can fire 100mm gun, but it only has HE shells which are useless at high tiers.

 

BMP-3 has more armor of course but I bet that it will still be hullbreakable. Maybe the better frontal armor of the BMP-3 will make it more survivable vs SPAA, but that's really not a high priority for me. IMO the BMP-2 can fit right into BR 8.0-8.3.

[CK_16 791]

BMP-2 first, with M2/M3 Bradley and Marder I at like 8.7 BR. 

 

BMP-3 would be next gen with M3A2, Marder II, Warrior (with Milan). Ect.

[Flavettes 1,101]

11 minutes ago, CK_16 said:

BMP-2 first, with M2/M3 Bradley and Marder I at like 8.7 BR. 

 

BMP-3 would be next gen with M3A2, Marder II, Warrior (with Milan). Ect.

 

Marder needs to be 1A2 model, or it doesn't get a Milan unlike the basic BMP-2 and M2A0 Bradley both of which have missiles.

[WulfPack 1,693]

4 hours ago, Flavettes said:

 

I don't see how. 30mm autocannon on the BMP-3 isn't more powerful than the one on the BMP-2. In fact the cannon of the BMP-2 fires faster (up to 800 RPM) so it may be deadlier and also be a more dangerous SPAA. Also the 130mm Konkurs missile on the BMP-2 can penetrate more than the 100mm Bastion of the BMP-3. BMP-3 can fire 100mm gun, but it only has HE shells which are useless at high tiers.

They both sit in the 550 - 600mm area. The BMP-3 also carry double the amount. The 9M117 are also about 100 mps faster.

[swpixy 1,220]

3 hours ago, Flavettes said:

 

Marder needs to be 1A2 model

Nope,A1.

Spoiler

If we get one,its most likely either A3 or A5,however.             

 

[dotEXCEL 5,969]

4 hours ago, Flavettes said:

 

Marder needs to be 1A2 model, or it doesn't get a Milan unlike the basic BMP-2 and M2A0 Bradley both of which have missiles.

1A1 got the Milan

[Flavettes 1,101]

5 hours ago, dotEXCEL said:

1A1 got the Milan

 

Ugh, Wikipedia is wrong again...

[Flavettes 1,101]

7 hours ago, WulfPack said:

They both sit in the 550 - 600mm area. The BMP-3 also carry double the amount. The 9M117 are also about 100 mps faster.

 

Bastion is 550mm and Konkurs is 600mm. That can make all the difference at high tiers when facing Abrams and Challenger, because 50mm of penetration gives a better chance of penetrating the hull and side armor of those tanks.