ground vehicles AEC Armored Car

[CaID 8,996]

 

This Suggestion is in support of the Armored Cars research line project

 

I think the Armored car should be added into the game making the game filled with fast tank who cannot go well off-road or in the snow. the Armored car would be great and so far the British get 2 of them already as AA. But there is more. the British did built their own wheeled tank which was suppose to be cheaper and faster to built with a armor comparable to his contemporary tank. the AEC was born fitting a valentine mk1 turret on a Matador chassis.

 

appart the AA version, there was 3 tank variation produced for the AEC armored car.

The AEC Mk1 what having a turret of Valentine mk2 with the OQF 2pndr gun (40mm). 129 were built and saw action in north Africa in late 1942. some were reported fitting a turret of a crusader with the OQF 6pndr gun (57mm).

 

 

 

The AEC Mk2 Was upgraded with a heavier turret with a 6 pndr gun (57mm), redesigned front hull, 158 hp diesel engine. the version currently in the game is the Late version, this suggestion also propose to have the early version of the Mk.2. the difference between them is the gun. both have a 57mm QF 6 pounder. but the Early version have the QF 6pounder  L/43 Mk.III while the Late version have the improved QF 6pounder L/50 Mk.V


the AEC Mk3 was a Close Support Armoured Car a Mk II with 6 pounder replaced with the QF 75 mm gun


the AEC armored car had an impressive 65mm armor on the front well slopped with an effectiveness of around 95mm. it was more than any other armored car of his time. the more powerful engine than the one on the Metador tractor allow the AEC to reach the speed of 58 to 65km/h making him a good and fast tank. But the armor was greatly weaker on the side and the back with 16mm all around. the turret was the exact same as the Valentine mk1 for the AEC Mk1 and a new turret for the Mk2 and Mk3 allowing a 3 crew member in the turret.

 

Here is the specs

 

Weight	Mk I: 11 tonnes (12 short tons; 11 long tons) Mk II, III: 12.7 t (14.0 short tons; 12.5 long tons)
Length	5.18 m (17 ft 0 in)
Width	2.74 m (9 ft 0 in)
Height	2.54 m (8 ft 4 in)
Crew	Mk I: 3 Mk II, III: 4
Armor	Mk I Armor a. Forehead: 57 mm b. Board:: 16 mm c. Fodders: 16 mm d. Felling: 60 mm e. Housing: (top) 32 mm f. Housing: (bottom) 32 mm g. Roof/the bottom: 32/32 mm Mk II MK III 16–65 mm (0.63–2.56 in)
Main armament	Mk I: QF 2 pounder Mk II: QF 6 pounder(Mk.III for the early, Mk.V for the late) Mk III: QF 75 mm
Secondary armament	1 x Besa machine gun, 1 x Bren light machine gun.
Engine	Mk I: AEC 195 diesel Mk II, III: AEC 197 diesel 105–158 hp (78–118 kW)
Power/weight	Mk I: 9.5 hp/tonne Mk II, III: 12.4 hp/tonne
Suspension	wheel 4x4
Operational range	400 km (250 mi)
Speed	58–65 km/h (36–40 mph)

 

 

MK2 and MK3 turret

 

Turret Front : 76mm

Turret Sides: 64mm

Turret Rear: 57mm

 

Source
http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/gb/AEC_Armoured_Car.php

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AEC_Armoured_Car

http://panzerserra.blogspot.ca/2013/04/new-release-aec-arnoured-car-mk-ii-in.html

http://www.tank2.ru/country/england/broneavtoeng/rmorearaec

http://tankarchives.blogspot.ca/2014/04/lend-lease-impressions-aec-mkii.html

http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=710
https://books.google.ca/books?id=MuGsf0psjvcC&pg=PA91&lpg=PA91&dq=AEC+Armoured+turret&source=bl&ots=K6-xCiOAdJ&sig=M8DGXlz_UtSkCJ4uMj7PISkGEhY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwipnojJmJvTAhUr5oMKHZI9AIcQ6AEIazAM#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

Other British Armored cars included in the Armored Cars research line project

Guy Mk.I

Guy Mk.Ia

Humber AC MK.I

Humber AC MK.II

Humber AC MK.IV

Daimler AC Mk.I

Daimler AC Mk.II (added to Up-date 1.71)

Daimler AC Mk.I CS

T17E1 Stanghound Mk.I

Coventry Armored car Mk.I

Coventry Armored car Mk.II

T17E1 Stanghound Mk.II

T17E1 Stanghound Mk.III (57)

T17E1 Stanghound Mk.III (75)

T17E3

T17E1 Tulip 4

T17E1 Tulip 8

AEC AC Mk.I

AEC AC Mk.II

AEC AC Mk.III

FV601C Saladin

FV601a

FV721 Fox

Fox 25

Fox 76

Saladin 90

Furret Mk.II/VI

Furret Mk.V

Saladin Swinfire

Fox Milan

 

 

Edited June 21, 2018 by CaID

[blakeob 8,086]

Open for discussion. 

[oXoP4NDEMiCZoXo 451]

Yes very nice indeed would be lovely cars finally, these are great also that 3D model is very nice & high poly, also the great thing is we also have a model in-game for the flag variant

 

so this would be a very nice addition +1 

 

[DoLhades 361]

I say yes to all three of these somewhat well armoured cars. 

[Wilhuff_Tarkin_ 467]

+1 I'm pretty sure it will be in British AC branch.

[Dan_RAFBC 1,201]

Fully supported, can't wait for more British armoured cars.

[Sabrean 65]

I reckon all three should definitely be added when armoured cars are added to WT properly, and I'd love to see these in game.

[_EQUAI_ 356]

These are definitely going to be fun to use can't wait to see these and the greyhound in action.

[Capt_Palmtree 377]

Also want to see the staghound in the british tree with all the different guns.

[Talbot_pl 4,582]

Good idea!

[CaID 8,996]

11 hours ago, DoLhades said:

I say yes to all three of these somewhat well armoured cars. 

what is so good about the armor is this would be great when facing the enemy but so weak when you go flanked making the car a good target at the same time

[Admiral_Aruon 2,264]

wow. not only are the AECs well armed, but their front even outdoes the t-34 in effective armor? god DAYYYYUM. count me in on all 3.

[CaID 8,996]

1 minute ago, admiral_aruon said:

wow. not only are the AECs well armed, but their front even outdoes the t-34 in effective armor? god DAYYYYUM. count me in on all 3.

the way i see them, they should be in late 2nd tier or early 3rd. be fighting against T34-1942 or STZ and panzer 4 F2.

[Admiral_Aruon 2,264]

8 hours ago, CaID said:

the way i see them, they should be in late 2nd tier or early 3rd. be fighting against T34-1942 or STZ and panzer 4 F2.

 

mk1: tier 1, 2.0 BR, before Crusader mk.II

 

mk2: tier 2, 3.0 or 3.3 BR, before Matilda II

 

mk3: tier 3, 4.0 BR, before Churchill mk VII

Edited April 12, 2017 by admiral_aruon

[WaveLengthRR 383]

I'm always happy to see more armored cars.

Fully support all three of these!

[CaID 8,996]

12 hours ago, admiral_aruon said:

 

mk1: tier 1, 2.0 BR, before Crusader mk.II

 

mk2: tier 2, 3.0 or 3.3 BR, before Matilda II

 

mk3: tier 3, 4.0 BR, before Churchill mk VII

why not introducing a new line for the armored car? they pretty much all have the same purpose
here another model of AC

 

[Mercedes4321 4,695]

Just now, CaID said:

why not introducing a new line for the armored car? they pretty much all have the same purpose
here another model of AC

 

A full AC/Light Tank line would be great. You can start it off with the Guy Armoured Car series.

[CaID 8,996]

1 minute ago, Mercedes4321 said:

A full AC/Light Tank line would be great. You can start it off with the Guy Armoured Car series.

this is also what i had in mind. but i can only get the pen ofthe 15mm short barrel. it's pretty much what i lack to get the suggestion ready. also, the 80kph for most the AC is a bit high. i know in off road it would be about the half but still it bother me.

[TasteTheTea 3,203]

5 minutes ago, Mercedes4321 said:

A full AC/Light Tank line would be great. You can start it off with the Guy Armoured Car series.

And finish it with the FV721 Fox?

Edited April 12, 2017 by Time4Tea

[CaID 8,996]

5 minutes ago, Time4Tea said:

And finish it with the Saladin?

the alvis saladin doesn't have enough pen to be serrious at the tier 5. i had more in mind the Furret with ATM or FV721 Fox. something that could actually damage at least half of the enemy

 

The saladin would fit better in tier 4

 

Edited April 12, 2017 by CaID

[TasteTheTea 3,203]

Just now, CaID said:

the alvis saladin doesn't have enough pen to be serrious at the tier 5. i had more in mind the Furret with ATM or FV721 Fox. something that could actually damage at least half of the enemy

Thought I edited it before any one noticed lol. I forgot about the Fox.

[Mercedes4321 4,695]

7 minutes ago, Time4Tea said:

And finish it with the FV721 Fox?

And the of the CVR(T) family.

[TasteTheTea 3,203]

2 minutes ago, Mercedes4321 said:

And the of the CVR(T) family.

Perhaps have any armoured cars sharing the same weaponry as a Light Tank/CVR being nested with it in the tree.

Edited April 12, 2017 by Time4Tea

[Mercedes4321 4,695]

2 minutes ago, Time4Tea said:

Perhaps have any armoured cars sharing the same weaponry nested with the equivalent Light Tank/CVR.

Potentially. I have encountered a large number of light tanks and armoured cars from the both the British themselves and the rest of the Commonwealth, one of the interesting ones was an FV721 Fox fitted with what looked like a Scorpion turret. I'll have to dig up the image again sometime.

Edited April 12, 2017 by Mercedes4321

[TasteTheTea 3,203]

3 minutes ago, Mercedes4321 said:

Potentially. I have encountered some interesting light tanks and armoured cars form the both the British themselves and the Commonwealth, one of the interesting ones was an FV721 Fox fitted with what looked like a Scorpion turret. I'll have to dig up the image again sometime.

I thought it was the other way around? A scorpion with a fox turret?

 

Edit: The Sabre as seen below was a Scorpion with a Fox turret.

 

Edited April 12, 2017 by Time4Tea