ground vehicles Guy Armored Car

[CaID 8,996]

 

This Suggestion is in support of the Armored Cars research line project

 

with the recent Armored car that i suggest. it would be just normal that i suggest the lowest of the eventual research line. the Guy Armored Car.

The Guy Armored Car was a British Armored Car produce developed in the eve of WW2. the car saw a limited action in the Battle of France. the Manifacturer couldn't produce many of those car at the same time of the more important artillery tractor. In early 1938 a number of different 4x4 chassis from British and foreign manufacturers had been tested to see which was the best for development of a new line of armoured cars to replace those older designs in use. By September three armoured cars had been built by Guy. While chassis with more advanced features were seen as having better potential it was decided that in order to get production under way the Guy chassis was preferred. The vehicles successfully completed troop trials and from 1939-1940 a further 101 of the armoured cars - initially designated "Tank, Light, (Wheeled) Mark I"- were produced. These were constructed used welding rather than rivetting. To that end they developed the necessary techniques including rotating jigs which meant the bodies and turrets could be produced quicker and cheaper. The vehicle had a welded hull (making it the first British armoured car with an all-welded construction) with a sloped glacis plate. Above the centre of the hull was mounted a turret. The engine was located at the rear.

there was 2 varriation of the Guy armored car. 

 

The Guy AC Mk.I
 

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the base variation  of the Guy AC. Armed with the vickers .5in who had a penetrate 18mm of armour plate at 100 yards at a normal angle of attack and an additional seven out of ten to penetrate 14mm of armour plate at the same distance at 20 degrees angle of attack. it sound a bit low for me. just need to remember that the bullet need to past the armor and do damage too. the rate of fire may overcome the small calliber but still sound a bit low.

 

 

The Guy AC Mk.Ia

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the Guy AC Mk.Ia wich is armed with the Besa 15mm. It fired a 75 gram bullet from a  15x104mm cartridge with a muzzle velocity of 818.3 m/s (2,685 ft/s) at a rate of 450 rounds per minute . the BESA 15mm was able to use the AP and API bullet which had an penetration of about 27mm at 100m. The 15 mm Besa was fed from 25-round metal belts, which limited its practical rate of fire, although the weapon was usually used for single shots as it was difficult to fire accurately in automatic. a 7.92 mm Besa air-cooled machine guns was also use as coax with the 15mm. 51 Guy AC mk.Ia was built.

 

some other Image of the Mk.Ia

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Designed	1938
Manufacturer	Guy Motors
Produced	1939-1940
No. built	101 (50mk.1 & 51mk.1a)
Specifications (Mark I)
Weight	5.2 long tons (5.3 t)[1]
Length	13 ft 6 in (4.12 m)[1]
Width	6 ft 9 in (2.06 m)[1]
Height	7 ft 6 in (2.29 m)[1]
Crew	3
Armour	up to 15 mm (0.59 in)
Main armament	.5 inch Vickers machine gun
Secondary armament	.303 inch Vickers machine gun
Engine	Meadows 4ELA 4-cyl petrol engine 55 hp (41 kW)
Power/weight	10.6 hp/tonne
Transmission	4 forward, 1 reverse gear
Suspension	4 x 4 wheel
Operational range	210 mi (340 km)[1]
Speed	40 mph (64 km/h)

 

source

http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=901

http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/gb/Guy-Armoured-Car.php

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Armoured_Car

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Besa_machine_gun

https://sites.google.com/site/britmilammo/15mm-besa

https://sites.google.com/site/britmilammo/15mm-besa/armour-piercing-and-armour-piercing-tracer

Other British Armored cars included in the Armored Cars research line project

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Guy Mk.I

Guy Mk.Ia

Humber AC MK.I

Humber AC MK.II

Humber AC MK.IV

Daimler AC Mk.I

Daimler AC Mk.II (added to Up-date 1.71)

Daimler AC Mk.I CS

T17E1 Stanghound Mk.I

Coventry Armored car Mk.I

Coventry Armored car Mk.II

T17E1 Stanghound Mk.II

T17E1 Stanghound Mk.III (57)

T17E1 Stanghound Mk.III (75)

T17E3

T17E1 Tulip 4

T17E1 Tulip 8

AEC AC Mk.I

AEC AC Mk.II

AEC AC Mk.III

FV601C Saladin

FV601a

FV721 Fox

Fox 25

Fox 76

Saladin 90

Furret Mk.II/VI

Furret Mk.V

Saladin Swinfire

Fox Milan

 

 

 

ther british lower rank vehicles (possible tier Zero)

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Light tank

Vicker Mk.V

Vickers Light Mk.VIa

Vickers Light Mk.VIb

Vickers Light Mk.VIc

 

Medium tank

Vickers Medium Mark I

Vickers Medium Mark Ia

Vickers Medium Mark Ia*

Vickers Medium Mark I CS

Vickers Medium Mark II

Vickers Medium Mark II*

Vickers Medium Mark IIa

Vickers Medium Mark II**

Vickers Medium Mark II tropical

Vickers medium Mark II CS

A6

A6E3

Medium Mark III E1

Medium Mark III E2

 

Armored car

Guy Mk.I

Guy Mk.Ia

Humber Mk.I

Humber Mk.II

Humber Mk.III

 

SPG

Bren Gun Carrier .55 Boy

Vickers 2pdr SPG

 

SPAA

Beaverette Mk III aa

Humber Mk.Ia

Edited May 19, 2018 by CaID

[blakeob 8,086]

Open for discussion. 

[Mercedes4321 4,695]

First, your 15mm BESA penetration is off

 

Also, if you have images of the normal Guy Mk 1 you might as well make that an option on the poll. Just include some information on that one as well.

[CaID 8,996]

7 minutes ago, Mercedes4321 said:

First, your 15mm BESA penetration is off

 

Also, if you have images of the normal Guy Mk 1 you might as well make that an option on the poll. Just include some information on that one as well.

the Mk.I wouldn't fit in the game at all. the MG could not be of any use to the average tank. by experience, i try the Gaz 4M against the light tank. i think after turning around for 4 laps, trying to outrun his turret rotation, i finnally set his engine at fire. but i was in a very close range and he was already mobilized by another tank. so low caliber of main gun should not be add unless it is for an AA purpose. and my info on the 15mm was took  from the source i put at the end of the post.

Edited April 14, 2017 by CaID

[Mercedes4321 4,695]

4 minutes ago, CaID said:

the Mk.I wouldn't fit in the game at all. the MG could not be of any use to the average tank. by experience, i try the Gaz 4M against the light tank. i think after turning around for 4 laps, trying to outrun his turret rotation, i finnally set his engine at fire. but i was in a very close range and he was already mobilized by another tank. so low caliber of main gun should not be add unless it is for an AA purpose. and my info on the 15mm was took  from the source i put at the end of the post.

The .5 inch Vickers is a heavy machine gun (12.7mm to be exact), not an LMG like on the Gaz 4M.

[Retry 7,363]

I concur with Mercedes.  .50 Vickers for 1.0, BESA for 1.3.

[TasteTheTea 3,203]

Just now, Mercedes4321 said:

The .5 inch Vickers is a heavy machine gun (12.7mm to be exact), not an LMG like on the Gaz 4M.

Would indeed be nice to have the .5 Vickers in-game. 

[CaID 8,996]

8 minutes ago, Mercedes4321 said:

The .5 inch Vickers is a heavy machine gun (12.7mm to be exact), not an LMG like on the Gaz 4M.

my mistake. i miss read the vicker .5in with the ,303. but in any case. the vickers .5in had a penetrate 18mm of armour plate at 100 yards at a normal angle of attack and an additional seven out of ten to penetrate 14mm of armour plate at the same distance at 20 degrees angle of attack. it sound a bit low for me. just need to remember that the bullet need to past the armor and do damage too. the rate of fire may overcome the small calliber but still sound a bit low.

 

according to that source.

https://sites.google.com/site/britmilammo/-5-inch-vickers/-5-inch-vickers-armour-piercing-semi-armour-piercing

just remember the german panzer II have the 20mm gun and is also better armored.

[Mercedes4321 4,695]

3 minutes ago, CaID said:

my mistake. i miss read the vicker .5in with the ,303. but in any case. the vickers .5in had a penetrate 18mm of armour plate at 100 yards at a normal angle of attack and an additional seven out of ten to penetrate 14mm of armour plate at the same distance at 20 degrees angle of attack. it sound a bit low for me. just need to remember that the bullet need to past the armor and do damage too. the rate of fire may overcome the small calliber but still sound a bit low.

 

according to that source.

https://sites.google.com/site/britmilammo/-5-inch-vickers/-5-inch-vickers-armour-piercing-semi-armour-piercing

just remember the german panzer II have the 20mm gun and is also better armored.

The .5 inch Vickers is indeed not very strong, but you should have it as an option.

[CaID 8,996]

5 minutes ago, Mercedes4321 said:

The .5 inch Vickers is indeed not very strong, but you should have it as an option.

 

i listen to your opinion and adjust myself. i added it in the post

Edited April 14, 2017 by CaID

[Mercedes4321 4,695]

2 minutes ago, CaID said:

 

i listen to your opinion and adjust myself. i added it in the post

Thank you.

[onemax9000 1,243]

+1

[BlueBeta 7,558]

this can't be in game, too weak armament, more like anti infantry machinegun

[Delta_48 471]

8 hours ago, BlueBeta said:

this can't be in game, too weak armament, more like anti infantry machinegun

the 11mm Vickers could probably pen some tier I tanks, like maybe the Pz.II.... but you're right, the armament is very weak against tanks, and would be pretty useless at BRs higher than 1.3

[Jarms 1,558]

On 11/09/2018 at 19:57, BlueBeta said:

this can't be in game, too weak armament, more like anti infantry machinegun

The 15mm Besa would be slightly better than an M2 .50 cal. See the source Mercedes provided. So 1.0 would be fine for the Mk. 1a. 
 

The British Vickers .50 cal though? Definitely wouldn’t work in game unless Gaijin add a tier 0. 

[Kings_Guards 20]

If I play, I feel like eating ****, but it's better than nothing.

[Milocat 4,857]

+1 for at least the 15mm BESA variant.

[DeadlyTreadly 171]

A basic page on BESA 15mm ammunition