Gross bomben! The LW biggest bombs and WT inclusion

[Pony51 6,572]

What of this mystery SC2000?

Need actual manuals, not books.  

The colored image is a official German manual, no SC2000

[xX_Lord_James_Xx 2,400]

Hmmm.... Maybe when WT ships comes out, they could add several AP bombs for each nation, like the PC1400, but they just have to add them for each nation. They already have the AP bombs for Japan so that's already out of the way... but Japan hasn't been getting a lot of love in the ship tests... Do you know any other AP bombs for other nations, USSR/ Britain/ USA/ Italy?

 

AND, they could add anti-ship PGMs like Hs 293/294, Fritz X, and VB-1/2 Azon, that would be fun .

[_Iluminas_ 3,769]

here for the He 177A0   fromhttp://www.deutscheluftwaffe.com/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/h/Heinkel/He 177/He 177 A-0 Teil 12 B Abwurfwaffenanlage.pdf

 

[Lord_of_Sofa 6,335]

7 hours ago, Pony51 said:

What of this mystery SC2000?

Need actual manuals, not books.  

The colored image is a official German manual, no SC2000

Then you should take a look here

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/sc2000.html

Source is at the bottom and available for free.

 

[TT33a 5,408]

16 hours ago, Pony51 said:

What of this mystery SC2000?

Need actual manuals, not books.  

The colored image is a official German manual, no SC2000

 

What about this?:

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/ref/TM/pdfs/TM9-1985-2-German.pdf

https://www.scribd.com/document/343071767/Junkersflugzeuge-1933-1945-Junkers-Aircraft-1933-1945

 

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Edited June 16, 2017 by TT33a

[Pony51 6,572]

On 6/16/2017 at 4:16 AM, TT33a said:

 

What about this?:

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/ref/TM/pdfs/TM9-1985-2-German.pdf

https://www.scribd.com/document/343071767/Junkersflugzeuge-1933-1945-Junkers-Aircraft-1933-1945

 

First book, TM9, is a USAF intel Tech manual, authored in 1953, so at best is second source.

See this image, the SC2000 dimensions are smaller than the SC1800

 

 

The Junkers book is a great overview, but only 2 pages mention an SC2000, and not in any detail.

 

One of the best places to find actual LW documents and manuals is here

http://www.deutscheluftwaffe.com/archiv-englisch/dokumente/web/new site/frames2/Dokumente.htm

 

Compared to all the other types, mention of an SC2000 is almost non existent.

 

In red are the only 2 the LW are missing and will be useful in game.

The blue is a possibility, but it will have less TNT power than the SC1000

[TT33a 5,408]

5 hours ago, Pony51 said:

One of the best places to find actual LW documents and manuals is here

 

That collection of documents is woefully incomplete

 

5 hours ago, Pony51 said:

In red are the only 2 the LW are missing and will be useful in game.

The blue is a possibility, but it will have less TNT power than the SC1000

 

If the blue is a 'possibility' (PC 1400), then why not:

1.) the other PC type bombs (PC 500, PC 1000, PC 1600, PC 1800)?

2.) the SB 1000, SB 1800, or SB 2500 with even more explosive than the SC type bombs?

3.) the SC 70?

4.) the SD 4/HL & SD 9/HL?

[_Iluminas_ 3,769]

19 minutes ago, TT33a said:

 

That collection of documents is woefully incomplete

 

 

If the blue is a 'possibility' (PC 1400), then why not:

1.) the other PC type bombs (PC 500, PC 1000, PC 1600, PC 1800)?

2.) the SB 1000, SB 1800, or SB 2500 with even more explosive than the SC type bombs?

3.) the SC 70?

4.) the SD 4/HL & SD 9/HL?

also not to forget there some mixed loadouts like  the max bombload for the He 177 A0   is 2x1800 and 2x1700

[Pony51 6,572]

On 6/18/2017 at 4:35 AM, TT33a said:

 

That collection of documents is woefully incomplete

 

 

If the blue is a 'possibility' (PC 1400), then why not:

1.) the other PC type bombs (PC 500, PC 1000, PC 1600, PC 1800)?

2.) the SB 1000, SB 1800, or SB 2500 with even more explosive than the SC type bombs?

3.) the SC 70?

4.) the SD 4/HL & SD 9/HL?

 

1. Look at the Explosive content.  Many PC bombs have low HE filler, so would not be worth players time to use.  It is that that Japanese AP 800kg bomb with only 31kg of TNT, less explosive than the 60kg bomb.  I do not believe AP type bombs are useful in game.

2. SB is like PC.  Again, the HE content is what counts.

3. SD 70 = SC 50.   Slightly less HE in heaver case.  

4.  No small bombs (for now?)

 

On 6/18/2017 at 4:57 AM, JG27_Iluminas said:

also not to forget there some mixed loadouts like  the max bombload for the He 177 A0   is 2x1800 and 2x1700

 

Weeell, the SD 1700 has good HE value, but for such a small weight and size difference I think GJ can go with a slightly unhistorical 4x SC 1800

 

[TT33a 5,408]

16 hours ago, Pony51 said:

The blue is a possibility......Look at the Explosive content.  Many PC bombs have low HE filler

 

Yes we know but why did you mark the PC 1400 in blue (possibility) and not any of the other PC type bombs?

 

16 hours ago, Pony51 said:

SB is like PC.  Again, the HE content is what counts

 

The SB is nothing like the PC. Did my links not work? Here is a direct picture:

 

 

16 hours ago, Pony51 said:

SD 70

 

The question was if there was any possibility of the SC 70 being implemented, not the SD 70

 

16 hours ago, Pony51 said:

a slightly unhistorical 4x SC 1800

 

It isn't unhistorical if gaijin implements 2 x SC 1800 internal and 2 x SC 1800 external. Remember the external racks on that craft can handle 2 x 2,500 kg

[Pony51 6,572]

On 6/20/2017 at 3:54 AM, TT33a said:

 

Yes we know but why did you mark the PC 1400 in blue (possibility) and not any of the other PC type bombs?

 

I see many aircraft list the PC1400 as loadout.

Also the game does have AP bombs, like the Japanese Number 80 and now the Italians SAP, so apparently there is some reason for this.

 

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The SB is nothing like the PC. Did my links not work? Here is a direct picture:

 

 

MY BAD!

Confused name for the SD, you talking about another type, the SB (teach me to pay more attention).

großladungsbombe, as in "big charge".

wow, something I missed.  Thanks for pointing this out!  

 

 

It is likely this is rarely mentioned is because the time (July 1944), that is lack of resources to build this and use it (fuel shortages all but ended bombing missions after this month)

Wiki.de mentions the SC 2500 was never used operationally.   

 

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The question was if there was any possibility of the SC 70 being implemented, not the SD 70

 

The # (50, 70, 250, etc) is total mass.

Germans wanted a bomb with different effect, but keep the same dimensions as SC50, so it would fit in aircraft already designed for the SC50.

The thicker steel walls made it 20kg heaver, but same size.

 

You know the Germans developed concrete bombs as war munitions (not practice)?

 

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It isn't unhistorical if gaijin implements 2 x SC 1800 internal and 2 x SC 1800 external. Remember the external racks on that craft can handle 2 x 2,500 kg

 

Ok, that is option.  Not that familiar about He 177 as you are.  

[xX_Lord_James_Xx 2,400]

9 hours ago, Pony51 said:

 

Wiki.de mentions the SC 2500 was never used operationally.   

Neither was that 5000kg bomb for the Pe-8 (to the best of my knowledge) but it's in game... and we're missing bombs that were used operationally like the SD1800. 

[TT33a 5,408]

16 hours ago, Pony51 said:

I see many aircraft list the PC1400 as loadout.

Also the game does have AP bombs, like the Japanese Number 80 and now the Italians SAP, so apparently there is some reason for this.

 

Yeah so what I am trying to say is all PC type bombs should be implemented, not just the PC 1400

 

16 hours ago, Pony51 said:

shortages all but ended bombing missions after this month

 

What about all this 1945 stuff mentioned in these books?:

https://www.scribd.com/document/122306770/Last-Days-of-the-Luftwaffe-German-Luftwaffe-Combat-Units-1944-1945

https://www.amazon.com/Last-Year-Luftwaffe-1944-1945-ebook/dp/B01BHRWX5E

 

16 hours ago, Pony51 said:

Wiki.de mentions the SC 2500 was never used operationally.   

 

Do I have to say 'Don't trust Wiki'....:

 

 

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[Pony51 6,572]

8 hours ago, TT33a said:

 

This He111 picture is probably test flight.

And yes, the clipping from book is noted.

Anyway, a suggestion for the SC2500 will be passed up.  

After all, it WAS made.

 

As to PC types, if the TNT is the only things that counts, why even include it?

It would take 3x PC1400 to destroy a depot while 2x SC1000 would do same.

[TT33a 5,408]

12 hours ago, Pony51 said:

This He111 picture is probably test flight.

 

The caption from that picture states that it is an He111 H of II/KG 26 with 2500 kg bomb.....If it was a test flight, would it not be an Erprobungskommando (EKdo 111?) unit instead of the bomber unit Kampfgeschwader 26? Also here is another picture:

 

 

 

 

On ‎06‎/‎20‎/‎2017 at 4:54 AM, TT33a said:

On ‎06‎/‎23‎/‎2017 at 1:14 PM, Pony51 said:

I see many aircraft list the PC1400 as loadout.

Yes we know but why did you mark the PC 1400 in blue (possibility) and not any of the other PC type bombs?

12 hours ago, Pony51 said:

As to PC types, if the TNT is the only things that counts, why even include it?

 

My point was IF the PC 1400 has a possibility to be added to the game, then so should all the other PC bombs such as the PC 500, PC 1000, PC 1600, PC 1800

 

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Edited June 27, 2017 by TT33a

[xX_Lord_James_Xx 2,400]

11 hours ago, TT33a said:

 

The caption from that picture states that it is an He111 H of II/KG 26 with 2500 kg bomb.....If it was a test flight, would it not be an Erprobungskommando (EKdo 111?) unit instead of the bomber unit Kampfgeschwader 26? Also here is another picture:

 

 

 

 

 

My point was IF the PC 1400 has a possibility to be added to the game, then so should all the other PC bombs such as the PC 500, PC 1000, PC 1600, PC 1800

 

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well, considering we ARE getting at the least DDs and probably cruisers, HE bombs will only be able to do damage on the first decks but AP bombs would be able to hit the engine/boiler rooms, ammo storage, fuel cells, etc. and would cause severe flooding if they blew out the bottom of the ship. AP bombs would be very effective against the new ships with armor models, even more so if we get ships with actual armor decks.

[TT33a 5,408]

Two more pics:

 

 

Edited July 5, 2017 by TT33a

[TT33a 5,408]

On ‎06‎/‎15‎/‎2017 at 0:31 PM, Pony51 said:

What of this mystery SC2000?

 

[ArmourWorm 54]

Side note on SD/PC/PD type bombs; Those are armor-piercing and semi-AP bombs and as shown by Japanese 800 kg AP bomb, game mechanics can't handle them.

 

Unless AP bomb is very special design (PC-SR has rocket booster and some shaped charge bombs did exist) the thickness of armor bomb penetrates has nothing to do with bombs' type and everything to do with its impact speed and bomb surviving the impact. Thus SAP/AP bombs had minimum drop altitude (or they were deployed by dive bombers, both methods work) to get them to terminal velocity before impact. After that only difference between AP and HC (High Capacity ie. HE) bomb was that HC tended to break apart if hit a surface thick and hard enough (armor plate), while AP and SAP had more solid construction and thus they punched through, 

 

Idea that you could fly straight and low altitude and somehow a PD bomb under your Fw-190 would magically get 80 mm more RHA pen compared to SC bomb is just idiotic, yet that is how the game mechanics work. So, to spare my nerves perhaps we should only list missing SC (HC) bombs?

[Pony51 6,572]

On 9/18/2017 at 9:35 AM, ArmourWorm said:

Idea that you could fly straight and low altitude and somehow a PD bomb under your Fw-190 would magically get 80 mm more RHA pen compared to SC bomb is just idiotic, yet that is how the game mechanics work. So, to spare my nerves perhaps we should only list missing SC (HC) bombs?

 

That is what I am doing, although the PD1400 is often mentioned.

And for some reason GJ does have a selection of AP and SAP bombs, for some future purpose?

[xX_Lord_James_Xx 2,400]

 

Hmmm, so the SC1800 is in the game, just not able to be used. 

[Pony51 6,572]

On 1/19/2018 at 10:19 AM, xX_Lord_James_Xx said:

 

Hmmm, so the SC1800 is in the game, just not able to be used. 

 

Thought it just meant it could be used by various planes, but nothing in game uses it.

[PickleJarOfDeath 1,499]

Could any Arados carry any of these?

[MrMG42 1,296]

here some infos about the "mystery" bombs SC1200 and SC2000

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