tanks/vehicles Schützenpanzer Lang LGS M40A1

[DrxzzY-Dark@psn 231]

Since we are getting tier 6 i wonder there is any possibility to add this vehicle.

 

History

The Schützenpanzer Lang HS.30 (also Schützenpanzer 12-3) was a West Germaninfantry fighting vehicle developed from 1956 to 1958.[1] It was a Swiss Hispano-Suizadesign, with a Rolls-Royce engine. After some early mechanical problems only 2,176 were built of the 10,680 planned. It was armed with a 20 mm cannon which was an unusually powerful weapon for an armoured personnel carrier of the period. Its design proved to have many flaws and drawbacks and the construction was followed by a great political scandal in West Germany in the 1960s. 2,176 SPz 12-3 and variants were built until 1962, for which the German government paid 517 million DM, or about 238,000 DM per vehicle. The SPz 12-3 first entered service with the Panzergrenadier battalions in 1960[2] and was replaced by the Marder infantry fighting vehicle from 1971.

But there is an anti-tank variant that can be added to the game,  LGS M40A1.Equiped with a 106mm M40A1 recoiless rifle.

 

Specifications

 

-Weight :14.6 tonnes

-Length:5.56 m

-Width :2.54 m

-Height :1.85 m

-Crew :3

-Passengers :5

-Armor :30 mm at 45°

-Main armament:

20 mm L/86 HS 820 autocannon

106mm M40A1 recoiless rifle

-Secondary armament

7.62 mm MG3 machine gun

-Engine :Rolls-Royce B81 Mk 80F 8-cylinder petrol
220 hp (164 kW)

-Power/weight :15.3 hp/tonne

-Suspension :Torsion Bar. Three Bogie, Five road wheels

-Operational range 270 km

-Speed :58 km/h  

 

Main armament ammunition:

*20mm L/86  HS 820:

-UIA (HEI): Projectile weight 120 g, explosive filler 10 g

-RIA (APHEI): Projectile weight 120 g, explosive filler 4.5 g

-RINT (AP): Projectile weight 111 g, core weight 70 g

 

*106mm M40A1 recoiless rifle

-M344A1 : HEAT shell

-M361A1 : HESH shell

-M346A1 : HEP-T shell

 

Here some images:

 

Sources

-Hammerich, H.R. (2006). Das Heer 1950 bis 1970: Konzeption, Organisation und Aufstellung. De Gruyter Oldenbourg. ISBN 978-3-486-57974-1.

-Haworth, W. Blair. The Bradley and How It Got That Way, Greenwood Publishing Group, 1999. ISBN 0-313-30974-4.

-Foss, Christopher (ed.) Jane's Armour and Artillery 1981-82, Jane's Publishing Company Limited, 1981. ISBN 0-7106-0727-X.

- http://www.panzerbaer.de/types/bw_spz_lg_hs30-a.htm

- http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/West_Germany/Schutzenpanzer_Lang_HS-30

What are your opinions and tougths about this vehicle?

Edited 2 hours ago by *MightyTonySpark

Edited August 26, 2017 by *MightyTonySpark
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[SAUBER_KH7 3,326]

Open for Discussion.

 

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[DrxzzY-Dark@psn 231]

10 minutes ago, SAUBER_KH7 said:

Open for Discussion.

 

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Edited August 26, 2017 by *MightyTonySpark

[dotEXCEL 5,969]

+1

[Kocyra 5,742]

It should be before the Jpz 4-5, It's like a german Type 60

[DrxzzY-Dark@psn 231]

11 minutes ago, F7UCutlass said:

It should be before the Jpz 4-5, It's like a german Type 60

Was thinking the same, maybe 6.7~7.0.A ligth vehicle with good mobility and a good gun is what we need at that BR.

Edited August 26, 2017 by *MightyTonySpark

[Admiral_Aruon 2,264]

i can +1 this. it'd probably be at 7.3 BR. the high placement of the RR could give it some tactical shenanigans. and this'll give an excust to downgrade the jpz 4-5 to a more favorable BR.

[DrxzzY-Dark@psn 231]

8 hours ago, Admiral_Aruon said:

i can +1 this. it'd probably be at 7.3 BR. the high placement of the RR could give it some tactical shenanigans. and this'll give an excust to downgrade the jpz 4-5 to a more favorable BR.

It has a high penetrating anti-tank gun in a good position , and a 20 mm extra that can take ligth tanks, and who knows, maybe medium tanks with the AP ammo.

And yes the BR of the Jpz could be drecreased, so is a win-win

 

[CptPz 0]

+1

[Jan_Gustl_WT 1,746]

+1 i have suggestion based on the same chassis

link is in my signature

[xX_Lord_James_Xx 2,400]

Question: How much ammo did it carry for the 106mm? 

[Fonz_408@psn 941]

+1

[DrxzzY-Dark@psn 231]

5 hours ago, xX_Lord_James_Xx said:

Question: How much ammo did it carry for the 106mm? 

I have been looking everywhere on the internet, and still haven't found any information about how much ammo could carry  , only  that the 106mm could  rotate 360 degrees.

[Kocyra 5,742]

23 minutes ago, *MightyTonySpark said:

I have been looking everywhere on the internet, and still haven't found any information about how much ammo could carry  , only  that the 106mm could  rotate 360 degrees.

What if there was no internal ammo carried, and the ammo was simply loaded from whatever boxes outside they had?

[DrxzzY-Dark@psn 231]

2 hours ago, F7UCutlass said:

What if there was no internal ammo carried, and the ammo was simply loaded from whatever boxes outside they had?

I imagine that someone would have to go outside to recharge the 106mm, the ammo would be stored inside.Being the 106mm already loaded, the gunner-loader would operate it from the inside.

I think have the ammo exposed is a bit dangerous.

 

Edited August 27, 2017 by *MightyTonySpark

[Kocyra 5,742]

2 hours ago, *MightyTonySpark said:

I imagine that someone would have to go outside to recharge the 106mm, the ammo would be stored inside.Being the 106mm already loaded, the gunner-loader would operate it from the inside.

I think have the ammo exposed is a bit dangerous.

 

I don't mean ammo exposed but I was just thinking it was just a recoilless rifle strapped ontop or something 

[OFW_Schroedinger 804]

+1

[Nell_Lucifer 927]

+1

[XDrake991 278]

I can really see this vehicle working in game. +1

[AtomicPope 3,953]

Germany needs more early post war vehicles and this looks like it would fit quite nicely, having a 106mm HEP shooting gun with additional 20mm gun sounds very good.

[Admiral_Aruon 2,264]

you know... now that the KPz 4-5 is going to be a 7.0 in the TD/ATGM line, it would be real nice to add the SPz 12-3 behind it since they and the RakPJz all share the same chassis.

[tavo89 381]

+1

[DrxzzY-Dark@psn 231]

Don't let this suggestion die!

 

[Clockworkreaper 320]

Can we move this up to further discussion, seems like a logical vehicle to place in the tech tree.

[Mr_Hunter_99 781]

+1 but it should be before jagdpz 4-5