aircraft/loadouts The Missing Bombs Thread - RAF 8,000lb & 12,000lb, US 4,000lb, German 2,500kg

[sniperNZSAS 1,116]

Over time these have been bought up in various topics, but I find it's a collective issue and therefore deserves it own combined suggestion.

 

It is no secrete that almost every nation in WT is missing its 'big bombs'. When the game first started this was understandable, an 8,000lb or 12,000lb bomb would be seen to ruin the game within minutes.

However WT has evolved:

• We have late war heavy bombers that drop up to 26,000lb of bombs.
• We have fixed the 'bomber spam' issue so now you can't just spawn 5 Yer-2's into the game and rush the enemy airfield.
• Already in the game for 2 years the Soviet 11,000lb FAB-5000 bomb at BR4.3, and the 6,600lb FAB-3000 bombs at later tiers.

 

The game should accommodate all nations having their big bombs in the game. Yes I understand some of these may have been rejected in the past but the game has changed to the point where these should now be in the game. Otherwise it is purely unfair that the Soviets get their big bomb and no other nation gets theirs.

 

Below are some which I suggest should be added.

 

RAF - 8,000lb HC bomb & 12,000lb HC bomb

 

 

 

US AN-M56 4,000lb bomb

 

 

External bomb racks on B-17 which could hold the AN-M56:

 

German SC2500 5,500lb bomb:

 

 

Please give these your support guys.

 

Thanks. 

Edited October 17, 2017 by sniperNZSAS

[SAUBER_KH7 3,326]

Open for Discussion.

 

However, keep in mind that there may be various reasons/parameters why some of the bombs mentioned were not added (including performance of aircraft). But the idea itself is up for discussion.

Edited October 4, 2017 by SAUBER_KH7

[Capt_Palmtree 377]

Yes. End the Pe-8 bomb size rule. Let the British tech tree have something that is better than everyone else.

[NuclearRain7777 601]

Yes, it's time that the historical armaments are properly introduced within this game. Within certain reasoning, however.

[Dominator48 408]

I am not yet developed enough concerning aircraft research to test russian big bomb so I will not judge the practical aspects of having such ordnances in game. However it would be far better to retain some logic - if one nation has big bomb implemented, then other nations should have them also - if only they existed in reality.

 

So for now - yes, let them have it.

[TT33a 5,406]

14 hours ago, SAUBER_KH7 said:

parameters why some of the bombs mentioned were not added (including performance of aircraft)

 

Yeah but soviet craft are exempt from these parameters?

 

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Edited October 5, 2017 by TT33a

[_EQUAI_ 356]

Can't wait to see these implemented +1

[dotEXCEL 5,969]

+1

[Blafirelli 277]

Yes, please.

[sniperNZSAS 1,116]

Thanks for the support guys, if you want to help further put a +1 in the comments to keep this suggestion on the front page, otherwise it will get buried under all the ground forces suggestions and will never see the light of day again

[Dundee93 508]

Honestly, these all should have been added back when the Pe-8 was added. 

[Capt_Palmtree 377]

Again +1.

[Blafirelli 277]

On 4. 10. 2017 at 7:14 PM, SAUBER_KH7 said:

(...) including performance of aircraft...

Well, why not let the player decide if he wants to fly with overloaded plane or not. Imho weight-performance dependency isnt that much difficult to understand even for an average Joe

[sniperNZSAS 1,116]

I think the reason they were not added are obvious; they would be too over powered. Bear in mind the original game only had 1 proper bomber target; the enemy airfield. Also bear in mind the hitpoints of the old enemy airfield were tiny. I used to be able to take out an enemy airfield with 5 drops from my Lancaster (2x4000lb) and so if no fighter harassed me I could literally end the game in minutes.

 

Now we have 3 to 4 smaller bases which must be taken out first, and the enemy airfield has almost 3x the amount of HP than it used to. Hence why they added the 11,000lb bomb to the Soviets because it essentially wasn't going to be a game breaker anymore. And indeed it hasn't broken the game at all. I think 2 years of having an 11,000lb bomb in the game shows that other nations having their large bombs wouldn't break the game at all.

Edited October 7, 2017 by sniperNZSAS

[SneakySausage 786]

I like the idea of there implementation, my only concern is how destructive they could be in tank rb.

The Russian and jelly welly ones in game don't seem to make to much impact there so

+1

[teddyator 12]

+1 Big bombs, big fun!

[CptPejelagarto 359]

+1

Yes since the old days I’ve wanted the bigger bombs in the game. 

 

Ps: the Pe-8 regime of terror would stop in ground RB, Lancasters incoming. 

[igeticsu 3,400]

Yes! I don't care about how badly my aircraft will perform, I want the bigger bombs.

[sniperNZSAS 1,116]

On 09/10/2017 at 6:37 PM, igeticsu said:

Yes! I don't care about how badly my aircraft will perform, I want the bigger bombs.

 

For the most part the aircraft performance shouldn't change at all, and in some cases be better. 

 

Far as I know only the Lancaster and Lincoln could carry the 8,000lb and 12,000lb HC bombs. Although the Stirling and Halifax had the performance to, large diameter bombs couldn't physically fit in the bomb bay unless they left the doors off, which I don't know if they ever actually did. Remember the Lancasters and Lincolns* max payload is 14,000lb, so by loading these bombs they are actually less heavy than their 14x1000lb max load.

 

The B-29 with the US 4,000lb AN-M56 shouldn't suffer at all considering it can take 20,000lb bomb load in game currently. Looking at the image above, I can count two 4000lb bombs dropping below with a 3rd bomb halfway out the forward bomb bay. Therefore the B-29 must have been able to carry 4x4000lb internally, for a total of 16,000lb. However also take into account the B-29 had external bomb racks which could hold 4x2000lb, so theoretically its in game pay load could be 24,000lb (which would almost make it as powerful as its Soviet copy's 26,000lb load). **EDIT** it appears that the bomb racks held 4x4,000lb on the B-29 as well as 4x4,000lb internally, for a total payload of 32,000lb of bombs!!

 

Carrying 2x4000lb on external bomb racks with 2x2000lb internally (maybe even 2x4000lb internally, will have to check) is a possibility for the B-17G so yes that aircraft performance may change, but according to sources that aircraft had a max overload capacity of 17,600lb, so it's certainly within its realistic capability. 

 

The B-24 with 2x4000lb internally would be the same as it's current 8,000lb in game load as well.

 

As for the German SC2500, the He-111 in game carries almost the equivalent with 2xSC1000s and 1xSC250, so not much of a performance change there. The Ju-88 would be heavier but take into account it could carry 3,000kg on external bomb racks in real life.

 

So all in all most aircraft will either have minor or nil negative performance changes, or even improved performance.

 

*Yes the Lincoln doesn't have its 14,000lb bomb load in game but I'm sure that will change one day....

Edited October 26, 2017 by sniperNZSAS

[IOC_000 924]

12,000LBS of explosives? One cap point? Totally.

 

+1 If i and my buds can witness the Pe-8 Special Attack Squads ramming our spawns with 11,000 LBS of vodka then let's get some deliveries of tea,crumpets and Cheezeburgers to even out the spread (And sober up)

[seadogpirate@psn 888]

yes too all and the us also needs it's pumpkin bomb. 

[sniperNZSAS 1,116]

9 hours ago, *seadogpirate said:

yes too all and the us also needs it's pumpkin bomb.

 

Should start a thread for it  I already have one for the RAF to get their Tallboy and Grand Slam, should be one for the US special weapon as well.

[Stofferberry 1,629]

Add them all.

[TT33a 5,406]

On ‎10‎/‎09‎/‎2017 at 3:30 AM, sniperNZSAS said:

As for the German SC2500, the He-111 in game carries almost the equivalent with 2xSC1000s and 1xSC250, so not much of a performance change there. The Ju-88 would be heavier but take into account it could carry 3,000kg on external bomb racks in real life

 

The He 111 would still be heavier:

H-6: 3,600 kg

H-16: 3,250 kg

A-4: 3,000 kg

Also here is a thread on the topic:

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/364923-gross-bomben-the-lw-biggest-bombs-and-wt-inclusion

[seadogpirate@psn 888]

17 hours ago, sniperNZSAS said:

 

Should start a thread for it  I already have one for the RAF to get their Tallboy and Grand Slam, should be one for the US special weapon as well.

here you go please support 

 

Edited October 10, 2017 by *seadogpirate