ground vehicles The Challenger 1

[Croatian_Sensation 46]

Chobham armour package is still kept a great secret. Getting all the info needed to make this tank could prove really hard.

 

Edited January 19, 2018 by PixCro

[Koty1996 457]

...you are against any kind of estimation, while all the ammunition we have in game is estimated. While we have T-64 and KPz.70 whose armour effectivness is an approximation.

 

And you are conflicted on estimation of armour effectivness...

 

Realistically speaking, as we have KE/HEAT effectivness on composite arrays, the same way each KE projectile is supposed to have split penetration depending on the type of armour it hits. Yes, really - a normal AP hitting RHA will have greater penetration than if it hits a face hardened armour plate. APCBC on the other hand is going to have better penetration against the face hardened array, and lower against standard RHA. And same goes for all the kinds of arrays we got here as a possibility. Least difference is with the arrays like T-64's, that is relatively dense materials directly behind each other. But all kinds of spacing change things rapidly.

[Laviduce 1,779]

We need this tank in War Thunder.... OH WAIT!!!

[dotEXCEL 5,969]

RIP

[TasteTheTea 3,203]

Just now, dotEXCEL said:

RIP

Don't worry, I'm sure it'll still be perfectly one-shottable through the LFP .

[dotEXCEL 5,969]

https://warthunder.com/en/news/5323-development-challenger-1-a-worthy-heir-en

Just now, Time4Tea said:

Don't worry, I'm sure it'll still be perfectly one-shottable through the LFP .

i know

 

[Laviduce 1,779]

8 minutes ago, Time4Tea said:

Don't worry, I'm sure it'll still be perfectly one-shottable through the LFP .

or the drivers periscope area.

[xX_Lord_James_Xx 2,400]

Made up armor performance and fictional penetration values, here we come... 

[Koty1996 457]

sooooooo



Can I get my T-72B now?

 

[Rohrkrepiererer 1,393]

37 minutes ago, xX_Lord_James_Xx said:

Made up armor performance and fictional penetration values, here we come... 

 

Who cares?

[Capt_Palmtree 377]

As long as we get L23A1 stock and the L26 as a tier 2 (at most) module I'm happy.

[ThunderShocker 27]

16 minutes ago, Rohrkrepiererer said:

 

Who cares?

Most of us care! We don't want made up states for a tank like this.

[Laviduce 1,779]

8 minutes ago, ThunderShocker said:

Most of us care! We don't want made up states for a tank like this.

I do not think the armor values will have been picked out of thin air.

[arczer25 5,202]

On 20.01.2018 at 8:46 AM, Koty1996 said:

Realistically speaking, as we have KE/HEAT effectivness on composite arrays, the same way each KE projectile is supposed to have split penetration depending on the type of armour it hits. Yes, really - a normal AP hitting RHA will have greater penetration than if it hits a face hardened armour plate. APCBC on the other hand is going to have better penetration against the face hardened array, and lower against standard RHA. And same goes for all the kinds of arrays we got here as a possibility. Least difference is with the arrays like T-64's, that is relatively dense materials directly behind each other. But all kinds of spacing change things rapidly.

... APCBC tend to have generally greater vertical penetration than AP due to shatter gap no matter RHA or FHA, unless AP had fixed shatter gap issue then they are similar against RHA (still if fired at higher velocity AP shatter gap can come back).

AP still out do APCBC against FHA when hitting at angle.

[xX_Lord_James_Xx 2,400]

1 hour ago, Laviduce said:

I do not think the armor values will have been picked out of thin air.

 

Inb4 “do you have a source it’s wrong?” 

 

That’s the problem, we can’t fact check them if they add these tanks, cause the facts dont exist. Or does that not matter to you? 

 

“Gaijin wouldn’t make up statistics for these tanks!”... looks over at the M60 and Conqueror... “definitely not”... 

Edited February 15, 2018 by xX_Lord_James_Xx

[dudegoys 28]

Seeing how the developers just confirmed their development of the Challenger I in the devblog today.. I guess we just have another British tank we can just one-shot through the LFP. Am I the only one feeling like they are going to add the early abrams tank too even with little knowledge of it's armor/etc.

2 minutes ago, xX_Lord_James_Xx said:

 

Inb4 “do you have a source it’s wrong?” 

 

That’s the problem, we can’t fact check them if they add these tanks, cause the facts dont exist. Or does that not matter to you? 

 

“Gaijin wouldn’t make up statistics for these tanks!”... looks over at the M60 and Conqueror... “definitely not”... 

What's wrong with the Conqueror, it seems like a very easy tank to destroy.

[TasteTheTea 3,203]

8 minutes ago, dudegoys said:

What's wrong with the Conqueror, it seems like a very easy tank to destroy.

Thats whats wrong with it .

[Iron_physik 3,485]

[RefrigerRaider 563]

unless it gets the era and chobham applique package. brit players are in for a disappointment

Edited February 15, 2018 by RefrigerRaider

[Rohrkrepiererer 1,393]

10 minutes ago, RefrigerRaider said:

unless it gets the era and chobham applique package. brit players are in for a disappointment

 

To be fair, the Leopard 2K would be kinda xxxx blocked by the Challanger if it did.

[TasteTheTea 3,203]

4 minutes ago, RefrigerRaider said:

unlike the abrams, the challenger 1 still has its patheticly weak lower glacis inherited from the chieftain. The abrams will never have such an issue as the lower glacis is the thickest part, even the upper glacis will be hard to pen despite being thin because its so angled that its almost horizontal. The only weakness in the front will be its turret ring, making it outright superior over the challenger 1.

Who needs a strong lower glacis when you're always fighting hull down like you're supposed to?. Also, as far as weak spots go, a weak LFP you can hide even without fully hiding the hull but you can't say the same for the obvious turret ring on the Abrams.

[Nope 10,634]

5 hours ago, Laviduce said:

I do not think the armor values will have been picked out of thin air.

 

>gaijin

>proper armor values

 

zenith kek

 

theyll mess it up and there will be nothing that the community could do to fix it because no armor values that exist are primary sources

[WulfPack 1,693]

1 hour ago, RefrigerRaider said:

unless it gets the era and chobham applique package. brit players are in for a disappointment

Wouldn't that put it on the level of the T-80U, Leopard 2A4, and M1A1?

[Nope 10,634]

8 minutes ago, WulfPack said:

Wouldn't that put it on the level of the T-80U, Leopard 2A4, and M1A1?

 

slightly below actually

[WulfPack 1,693]

13 minutes ago, Nope said:

 

slightly below actually

T-80BV, M1IP, and Leopard 2A2 then?