ground vehicles AMX-13 Chaffee

[TheDeadDisciple 35]

Wether or not a french ground tree actually is coming, I found this tank too funny to slip. It would fit well as an american premium, in case that we don't get a French tree. Of course, it would fit in the French tree much better.

Now what is this tank I'm talking about?

 

The AMX-13 light tank project was a post war light tank project, with the first prototype being finished in 1948. The main goal was to provide a tank weighing in around 13 tons, but still have an armament capable of dealing some damage. While the most famous one is the 13/75 Modèle 51, there were different versions:

During the development of the AMX-13, many different types of turrets were tested (and most were also produced in a limited number). One of these turrets was the M24 Chaffee turret complete with the 75mm m3. The prototype was completed in 1957 and in 1960 round 150 were built. While information of this tank is hard to find, I managed to scrap together some.

 

It used the standard AMX-13 hull as seen on the 75 Modèle 51, and as such has the following statistics:

 

Frontal hull armor: about 40mm (1.57in)

Side armor: about 20-25mm (0.79-0.98in)

Rear armor: About 15mm (0.59in)

 

Top of the tank and turret as well as the bottom were only 0.39in (10mm) thick.

 

While the standard version of the AMX-13 had extra field-installable armor for the tank, weighing in at 650kg for the set and providing an extra 20mm of armor, I have found no mention as to wether these were fitted on any Chaffee turreted ones. While having no proof, I presume that it was possible though.

Now to the rest:

 

Engine HP: 250

Tracks: 35mm

Maximum speed: 60km/h

 

It had also (according to sources) 370mm of ground clearance, cross trenches up to 1.6m wide, climb 60^o slopes, climb vertical obstacles up to 0.65m and submerge as far as 0.6m underwater.

 

And here is the beauty in all it's might:

Spoiler

 

Sources:

http://www.chars-francais.net

http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com

http://tanknutdave.com

 

Edit: Added more pics, put them in spoilers and updated the info a bit

 

Edited November 23, 2017 by TheDeadDisciple

[SAUBER_KH7 3,325]

Open for Discussion.

[Admiral_Aruon 2,263]

oh hell yes. +1.

 

now while this is barely american (chaffee turret, AMX-13 chassis), remember that farther stretches have been made- with the american tree no less what with the LVT(A4)/ZiS-2, an american amphibious tank given to nominal ally RoC that was captured and fielded by the ideological enemy PRC with an enemy superpower soviet gun on top.

 

secondly: this gives gaijin an excuse and financial incentive to show off an unreleased nation's hardware ala the german sherman and hype the absolute hell out of the french GF once we're done admiring the italians and their glorious riveted metal deathtraps.

 

EDIT: ok now that i'm paying attention and realize this wasn't a US project i gotta make a revision. for the US- this could be a limited time event or something, once again gaijin gets to show off the AMX-13 and hype the french up.

 

then this could be the french counterpart to the italian Leoncello, being the low tier introduction to the french GF alongside a high tier premium.

Edited November 23, 2017 by Admiral_Aruon

[TheFuzzieOne 3,355]

Definitely something for the French tree. The turret was added by the French, during the French development, in France, to the French design, to prototype a French program.

 

It's more like an AMX-13 testbed for the full French one. Thus it is definitely intended for the French tree.

[TheDeadDisciple 35]

1 hour ago, TheFuzzieOne said:

Definitely something for the French tree. The turret was added by the French, during the French development, in France, to the French design, to prototype a French program.

 

It's more like an AMX-13 testbed for the full French one. Thus it is definitely intended for the French tree.

Yes definitely, however we are still not sure that the French tree will be coming (although I presume it will). As an american premium was just a backup plan.

[TheDeadDisciple 35]

6 hours ago, SAUBER_KH7 said:

Open for Discussion.

Wooho

 

Thanks

[Nope 10,634]

Well this I don't mind too much, but it should be a premium for the French tank tree that has yet to be announced.

[Z3r0_ 4,127]

I've considered suggesting this myself at some point later on once we know a bit more about what Gaijin's got planned for French ground forces, and I even included it in a hypothetical French ground forces tree that I made to show to my squadmates in Discord, where it's listed as the AMX-13 Pre-Production:

 

[CaID 8,988]

18 minutes ago, Z3r0_ said:

I've considered suggesting this myself at some point later on once we know a bit more about what Gaijin's got planned for French ground forces, and I even included it in a hypothetical French ground forces tree that I made to show to my squadmates in Discord, where it's listed as the AMX-13 Pre-Production:

 

 

 

this one make a lot more sense.

 

 

[Nope 10,634]

4 hours ago, CaID said:

 

 

this one make a lot more sense.

 

 

 

 

Would a premium Panther fit in there?

[Mercedes4321 4,695]

2 minutes ago, Nope said:

 

Would a premium Panther fit in there?

Probably.

[swpixy 1,220]

Supported,for the french tree.

Although i would prefer this here over it:

Chaffee/AMX-13.

"Lets bolt the FL-10 turret to a Chaffee chassis and see if it works"

[CaID 8,988]

7 hours ago, Nope said:

 

Would a premium Panther fit in there?

 

the captured tank always fit as premium. a tiger 1H will also be nice. also some other french super heavy tank would be nice. like the FCM F1 and the AMX tracteur C. they was unfinished tank.  but the dev was well advance and serious. i am not the one that made the tree, i am just very enthusiast to see it

 

 

Edited November 24, 2017 by CaID

[blockhaj 3,559]

How about a bigger gun?

[Dundee93 508]

8 hours ago, Nope said:

 

Would a premium Panther fit in there?

Technically, the Panther could actually fit as a regular tree vehicle. They were used in substantial numbers by the French, and ironically for a longer period of time than the Germans...

[Jarms 1,555]

Would love to see it in both the French and US tree. 

Edited November 24, 2017 by Jarms

[CaID 8,988]

2 minutes ago, Jarms said:

Would love to see it in both the French and US tree. 

 

the us had nothing to do with that one

[Panzerzwerg 2,682]

French Tree. 

 

There was also a version that used Chaffee Hulls and AMX 13 Turrets. 

[TheDeadDisciple 35]

5 hours ago, swpixy said:

Supported,for the french tree.

Although i would prefer this here over it:

Chaffee/AMX-13.

"Lets bolt the FL-10 turret to a Chaffee chassis and see if it works"

Made a suggestion about that too, but the amount of informations available is almost none, so it didn't get approved.

19 minutes ago, Panzerzwerg said:

French Tree. 

 

There was also a version that used Chaffee Hulls and AMX 13 Turrets. 

 

It was only one prototype, and it was never used as it was deemed unsatisfactory.

1 hour ago, CaID said:

 

the us had nothing to do with that one

 

Well, they indirectly created the turret. Point was, I suggested the US tree because the French one is not confirmed yet

Edited November 24, 2017 by TheDeadDisciple

[CaID 8,988]

22 minutes ago, TheDeadDisciple said:

Well, they indirectly created the turret. Point was, I suggested the US tree because the French one is not confirmed yet

here is a british Vicker 6ton

 

 

here is a Russian T-26 that was release a few month after the russian received the Vicker 6ton for trial

 

the british have created the hull of the T-26. i think they should have the t-26 in their tree.

 

well not really. it would be dump thinking that way. the American did nothing about the AMX 13 chaffee. they shouldn't have it.

and yes. the french tree is confirm for nearly a year. the date is just not release yet.

Edited November 24, 2017 by CaID

[TheDeadDisciple 35]

5 hours ago, blockhaj said:

How about a bigger gun?

 

I'm all for it, but without enough info the devs will never implement it

35 minutes ago, CaID said:

here is a british Vicker 6ton

 

 

here is a Russian T-26 that was release a few month after the russian received the Vicker 6ton for trial

 

the british have created the hull of the T-26. i think they should have the t-26 in their tree.

 

well not really. it would be dump thinking that way. the American did nothing about the AMX 13 chaffee. they shouldn't have it.

and yes. the french tree is confirm for nearly a year. the date is just not release yet.

 

They never confirmed the ground tree. While it's probably coming, having backup plans isn't dumb.

[blockhaj 3,559]

3 minutes ago, TheDeadDisciple said:

 

I'm all for it, but without enough info the devs will never implement it

There is enough info. Its all in the French archives. Basically when they made the amx-13 they want an anti tank vehicle and a troop support vehicle. This is the support vehicle. Armed with an american 105 mm.

Edited November 24, 2017 by blockhaj

[CaID 8,988]

5 minutes ago, TheDeadDisciple said:

They never confirmed the ground tree. While it's probably coming, having backup plans isn't dumb.

it was been confirmed a year ago in the VK blog of war-thunder in Russian. there was a pool to choose between the Italian and french, which one to release first.

[KapitanRedDead 462]

Like I have always said vehicles like these are needed for the overall growth of this game because it allows for much more gameplay at lower BR's thus leading to a larger population at high BR brackets. 

 

+1 Please add in the hundreds of pre 1955 vehicles that are completely realistic in design and practice. 

[CaID 8,988]

check it upp

 

Многие уже поняли чего стоит ожидать в 1.75 , но многие наверняка не согласны с тем что почему Франция первой получит бронетехнику а не Италия ? тут все просто бронетехника Франции была многочислительна (более 9.000 ед) и интересная , в том числе было множество бронетехники с барабанным механизмом заряжания и качающихся башнями , эти ее главные отличия , бронетехника Италии в плане танков была ущербна

Вот не большой список того точней интересной бронетехники Франции которая возможно будет, т.к стартовое древо это обычно более 30 ед . речь пойдет про бронетехнику начиная с 40-х , т.к именно с этого года у Франции начала появляться весьма хорошая бронетехника в целом

1.ARL-44;
2-3 AMX-50 ( были с 100 и 120 мм , а также САУ с 120 мм );
4. AMX-13 FL11;
5 E.B.R FL10 75;
6.Batignolles-Chatillon;
7.AMX ELC;
8 M4 FL 10;
9-10..ELC EVEN ( кроме 2х30 мм были еще с 1х90 мм и с 2х120 мм )
11.AMX-13 Chaffe
12.AMX-13
13.AMX-13 DCA ( в основном было две таких ЗСУ с 2х30 мм и 1х40 мм )
14.AMX-30 DCA

Дальше нет фоток ибо макс . 10 фото можно , не важно сколько их было , все это было в металле ездило и стреляло
.
Дальше уже известные ОБТ такие как AMX-30А , AMX-30B2, AMX-30B2 Brennus ( оснащен ДЗ ) AMX-32 , AMX-40

Разумеется в 30-х годах тоже была интересная бронетехника , но с 40-х пошла более интересна

Это лишь малая часть того что было у Франции , да техника впечатляет особенно разнообразностью не то что ВВС , добавлю еще то что у Франции были на вооружении М50 , M51 , кроме того были проекты танков такие как FCM 50t,AMX Automatorus Antichars,AMX Chasseur но дальше чертежей и эскизов они не ушли, также были Пантера и Тигр 1, М16, Валентайн MK V

Важно если в 1.75 не бронетехника Франции а допустим локация , то ничего страшного пост является ознакомлительным.

 

 

this message was sent by gaijin in the VK blog. apparently France will have their ground force before the Italian. and the AMX-13 chaffee is amounts of the vehicles in the initial release. what i not is they didn't confirmed any low rank tier yet. there is so far 14 post ww2 tank, and 5 MBT that is likely to be add tier 5-6. they are to be release on the next update, the 1.75 but this can be delayed if they need to.