Stop Nerfing the players who do the objectives

[Ska_King_Felix 1,450]

On 1/9/2018 at 1:39 PM, Sarin said:

Guys....posting pictures of planes shot down by heavy flak doesn't prove anything. I might as well post this as evidence to the contrary:

 

Try to be constructive instead of this next time, okay?

I may be wrong, but I don't think the Hellcat has fuel tanks in the rear fuselage, or any other important component besides the tail controls.

[PARAMI 478]

I think I'm more qualified to talk about this than my squad mate coyote--unlike him, I get bored a lot and I spend a ton of time in the fur ball at low altitudes. I really advise you to check your internet connection because I have had absolutely no problems with inexperienced players getting an unfair leg up on me. 

 

I have to agree with your stance on KDR. You definitely don't need a good KDR to be a good player (good can mean a lot of things), and a good KDR doesn't mean a player is good. Obviously, a good KDR is often a sign of a good player, but it isn't everything.  I personally have a fairly good KDR of around 6-1 on average and 15-1 on my favorite planes with a smattering of 30-1s, but I really haven't played for KDR in a long time. I take on the toughest challenge within reason (I don't think that playing the objective is reasonable, as your death is almost inevitable--I'd do better in a 4v1 than on the deck bombing tanks), and die very often as a result. 

[MickoBGD 57]

@_A_m_e_r_i_c_a_

That was my point. Of course that if someone has over 10:1 KDR it probably means he is good unless he makes 3:0 per game or such. But if someone is playing for win or likes to bomb also then people tend to think that he is not good. And if you are playing for win you can't do that with maintaining high KDR. 

[Ska_King_Felix 1,450]

You can - it's called flying Stalinbolt/Hitlerbolt/Thunderbolt with bombs and rockets while going 350 MPH on the deck 

[Tigerspook 315]

18 minutes ago, Ska_King_Felix said:

You can - it's called flying Stalinbolt/Hitlerbolt/Thunderbolt with bombs and rockets while going 350 MPH on the deck 

I don't think you'll be doing a lot of bombing or rocketing with a Hilterbolt.

[rayrayblues 470]

On 1/9/2018 at 9:21 AM, Renamed_Awesome said:

If you're going to ruin the game for the better players in an effort to "even out" matches, then at least man up and admit to us that you've screwed us over, and kindly refund the money we've spent.  Because, you've taken away what we paid you for.  After spending a lot of money on crews, planes and flying premium for over 4 years, you have ruined the game for me instead of expecting less skilled players to get better. It's shameful and dishonest.  Again, kindly stop the nerfing or refund my money and, at the very least, own up to it.  Also, every player with high level stats knows you're doing it so it's not the secret you think it is.

Sorry, I couldn't resist. You've been here as long as I have and played way more than I have. 

Obviously the game is getting to you. I feel your pain. Maybe it's time to take a break.

[Coyote_Kisses 6]

21 hours ago, MickoBGD said:

so if someone is constantly making 4:1 KD in furball comparing to someone who is making 2:1 in furball or 1:1 in furball and they all play same style your point is that

[Coyote_Kisses 6]

Didn’t mean to send that quote but don’t know how to delete it. Of course both requires skill and I will do just as well in the furball or 1km above it. I do not space climb, I get the same altitude as the high enemy fighters and take out everyone up high before going for lower targets which I will 1v1 or turnfight/get easy kills on. Yes it requires skill in the furbal but I just would rather and prefer cleaner games as that takes a greater long term skill imo for air to air skill anyways. Like this one this morning against two god of war LAB guys I killed about 5+times, this game had many 1v1s, and a few 2v1s/3v1s can’t exactly remember every moment. I capped at the end for the team and killed any enemy that spawned in and even though we were losing my squad won the game back. See how many deaths the lab guys have LOL here’s a link of some I collected today/yesterday. Loads of other 15x games but they weren’t too special. Just depends on play style doesn’t mean I can’t go into the furbal as I do many 3v1s and succeed. Earlier got reported for a hacker because I won a 2v1 LOL Also was playing with chillywilly before who I know you respect and we had many good games without playing it safe as that’s not my play style, it’s playing aggressive, but not stupid.

https://ruitrazam.tumblr.com/post/169613774729/erekt

 

also there’s a reason why G0D players (many players qualified there are in eRekt) has won 60+ 1v1 tournaments, squad battles they are absolutely destroying) eRekt is basically just a more casual G0D. We focus on skill purely as pilots.

Edited January 12, 2018 by Coyote_Kisses

[MickoBGD 57]

@Coyote_Kisses

I never denied skill of most GOD 100 eRekt and some other clan players. That clans have good players. My point is that there are for sure a LOT of players of same skill level who play different style but are "under radar" and maybe do not care about stats etc... And also it is not nice when players from that clans disrespect other people often with no reason. 1v1 requires probably the most of flying skills but from the other side you can look on it like on teamgame where teamplay is important and some people have a lot more team skills or sense. There is also braingame part which is not so visible in stats. This game (and any other games) is a lot more than just dogfight and rudder skills. Dont undervalue other skills which are not included in your way of playing the game. Even suicide bombing requires skills, some suicide bombers are better than others. When I flied SM.79 for their skins I always picked 2x500kg bombs because with 5x250kg I was always missing tanks. Skilled bombers use 5x250 I suppose.

 

For example I have screenshots of 18:0 game, 16:0 game and I had 25:0 long ago but I lost all the screenshots older than 2016 when it was so now only that 18:0 I can show proof. But even that 18:0 was made with no intention to be zero deaths, it's just happened. I suppose if I try to play eRekt way there would be a lot of 15:0 or more games. but that will never happen as I am always low altitude and after like 10 kills there will be many angry people who will come just for you to ruin your score. But I never play that way, it is in my head. I like to win a game otherwise I would not play. When I see couple of tickets left on both sides I MUST take a plane with bombs to finish the game and win! But I do not blame people who do not do that or help to win, it is a game and anyone should play the way he likes it.

 

From your point of view first 2 scores are better, on my images I inserted here. But I am more happy with results on second 2 images as I can say "I won that games almost alone!"

 

 

[Rbrad1 67]

Oh, Lordy!  This Just A Game!  Lighten up.  I play this game for fun.  I'm a "wallet warrior" as I am now in the "Fantastic 100".  However, it is a game....so go with it.  I too, get angry at being "one shotted" by a newbie.  So what, just play the game and   Breathe! 

[MickoBGD 57]

27 minutes ago, SSGBonebreaker said:

Oh, Lordy!  This Just A Game!  Lighten up.  I play this game for fun.  I'm a "wallet warrior" as I am now in the "Fantastic 100".  However, it is a game....so go with it.  I too, get angry at being "one shotted" by a newbie.  So what, just play the game and   Breathe! 

Well, people get games different ways. I play for fun too. I almost never complain about how something works. Some things I do not like but not big things, for me it is a nice game. But that guy who opened thread may feel it different. When some game starts to be unfair or has other problems I just stop playing that, happened couple of times in past with some games.

[Coyote_Kisses 6]

4 hours ago, MickoBGD said:

@Coyote_Kisses

I never denied skill of most GOD 100 eRekt and some other clan players. That clans have good players. My point is that there are for sure a LOT of players of same skill level who play different style but are "under radar" and maybe do not care about stats etc... And also it is not nice when players from that clans disrespect other people often with no reason. 1v1 requires probably the most of flying skills but from the other side you can look on it like on teamgame where teamplay is important and some people have a lot more team skills or sense. There is also braingame part which is not so visible in stats. This game (and any other games) is a lot more than just dogfight and rudder skills. Dont undervalue other skills which are not included in your way of playing the game. Even suicide bombing requires skills, some suicide bombers are better than others. When I flied SM.79 for their skins I always picked 2x500kg bombs because with 5x250kg I was always missing tanks. Skilled bombers use 5x250 I suppose.

 

For example I have screenshots of 18:0 game, 16:0 game and I had 25:0 long ago but I lost all the screenshots older than 2016 when it was so now only that 18:0 I can show proof. But even that 18:0 was made with no intention to be zero deaths, it's just happened. I suppose if I try to play eRekt way there would be a lot of 15:0 or more games. but that will never happen as I am always low altitude and after like 10 kills there will be many angry people who will come just for you to ruin your score. But I never play that way, it is in my head. I like to win a game otherwise I would not play. When I see couple of tickets left on both sides I MUST take a plane with bombs to finish the game and win! But I do not blame people who do not do that or help to win, it is a game and anyone should play the way he likes it.

 

From your point of view first 2 scores are better, on my images I inserted here. But I am more happy with results on second 2 images as I can say "I won that games almost alone!"

 

 

Alrighty well as long as you don’t deny someone’s skills just because they don’t hang in the furball I guess I’m happy : P. Those are some nice scores and yes I guess everyone plays for different reasons. PS: Never denied you didn’t have skill at all as I can see your a well rounded player who goes for a mix of kill, air ground cap etc, while I only go for kills, which I guess is just personal preference :p good constructive conversation thank you! See you in the skies  

Edited January 12, 2018 by Coyote_Kisses

[VaperTrail 343]

2 hours ago, MickoBGD said:

Well, people get games different ways. I play for fun too. I almost never complain about how something works. Some things I do not like but not big things, for me it is a nice game. But that guy who opened thread may feel it different. When some game starts to be unfair or has other problems I just stop playing that, happened couple of times in past with some games.

 

Lots of people in these types of games a very competitive so it becomes more than just a game, my biggest frustration with the game is playing with a poor Aussie connection, it drives me mad when I engage and know Ive hit them or killed them and I don't get the hits and end up out of ammo and out of position, I look at the replay and my bullets are going through vital areas and I get no hits, I have teleporting planes, get slammed into the deck during maneuvers, there is just just no consistency estimating lead etc with my connection as it varies from game to game.

 

And then I will come across players in the chat gloating they are so good with 30 ping, try playing with 3-400 ping and give me the 30 ping and then see how you go, I think the ping response time handicaps players skill alot, there comes a point where ping rules, I would love to play these top players with an equal connection, it frustrates me no end that I cant compete mostly because of lag, not that I don't make mistakes I make plenty but having a fluctuating high lag handicap is so frustrating to play with and it governs how good you can get.

[MickoBGD 57]

I have 3 servers turned on and there is not big difference, at least for me, when it comes to ping. I am pretty ok on all the pings. I have bad connection comparing to some others and I usually play on 75 if on EU server, 110 on russian and 150-160 on US server but I am ok with that. But if you have 300 it may be big difference I suppose. For me everything up to 150 is pretty decent. Don't know, maybe I would be a lot better if I have ping 30 but 100 is still good for me.

 

 

[Dodo_Dud 5,074]

I sometimes have 20, and it is horrible. Not sure how the netcode works, but perhaps there is "benefit of the doubt" with higher ping. So less isn't always better.

[Coyote_Kisses 6]

13 hours ago, VaperTrail said:

 

Lots of people in these types of games a very competitive so it becomes more than just a game, my biggest frustration with the game is playing with a poor Aussie connection, it drives me mad when I engage and know Ive hit them or killed them and I don't get the hits and end up out of ammo and out of position, I look at the replay and my bullets are going through vital areas and I get no hits, I have teleporting planes, get slammed into the deck during maneuvers, there is just just no consistency estimating lead etc with my connection as it varies from game to game.

 

And then I will come across players in the chat gloating they are so good with 30 ping, try playing with 3-400 ping and give me the 30 ping and then see how you go, I think the ping response time handicaps players skill alot, there comes a point where ping rules, I would love to play these top players with an equal connection, it frustrates me no end that I cant compete mostly because of lag, not that I don't make mistakes I make plenty but having a fluctuating high lag handicap is so frustrating to play with and it governs how good you can get.

I’m Aussie too and I play just US with a bit 250 ping, or I’ll play EU with 380 which is ussually okay. SA is our best bet in the low 200s. I don’t notice too much of a big difference and for turnfighting it’s fine, it’s just snapshots and stuff things will spark a lot more and also head ons can be annoying when you see all your shots spark lol otherwise I’m happy

[SkiIIkiII 2]

so, this topic is about paranoia ^^

i wonder how some pilots manage to fly for a long time over AAA without being shot.

If i do 1 fast pass over aaa, i can be sure to get at least  hit once. 2nd pass is death if i dont fly over 3000 meters high.

 

i feel like AI is recording your past and then acts. ( maybe i destroyed too many disturbing aaa^^)

 

What sure is game has a pre-simulating ai system to speed up calculations of realtime: 

  issue(now corrected) proving:     a few days/week ago, i had several time ,in every battle HUD showing me that i got kills or assists before even i shot (°o), like 1 or 2 seconds before i start shooting.  it was clearly showing that my position/trajectory/guns orientation was in good way to get an easy kill.  ( but i'm not a bot and missed "easy theorically kill"))

 

so; i'm just wondering where's the limit of AI in this game.

 

( Does it manage already to calculate curves and reactions of real players !!?? Soon is near

Getting kills by attracting enemy to make him crash on ground or mountain is coming ))

 

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Edited January 13, 2018 by SkiIIkiII

[Nemesis_one 65]

I am an objective player too and tend to agree with Renamed that something has changed lately.

I can't say that I have noticed any changes in the flight- or damage models of airplanes, but the game has definitely become more challenging for people who are used to be on the top of score board.

My feeling was that many good pilots may have returned to the game lately. There is an increase in the number of players on the Steam Chart since November and at Thunderskill.com the Average Efficiency of players in AB has suddenly jumped by 2% after X-mas, and the same change in the trend can be seen in RB and SB.

[Dodo_Dud 5,074]

27 minutes ago, Nemesis_one said:

I am an objective player too and tend to agree with Renamed that something has changed lately.

I can't say that I have noticed any changes in the flight- or damage models of airplanes, but the game has definitely become more challenging for people who are used to be on the top of score board.

My feeling was that many good pilots may have returned to the game lately. There is an increase in the number of players on the Steam Chart since November and at Thunderskill.com the Average Efficiency of players in AB has suddenly jumped by 2% after X-mas, and the same change in the trend can be seen in RB and SB.

 

LOL!

Sure, there is an event on. Taking the top of the scorebord is a prime goal in this event.

 

Sure, there is an update out. The "have it all" experts are returning to grind the new stuff and while add it, collect the free premiums.

 

 

[rayrayblues 470]

21 hours ago, VaperTrail said:

think the ping response time handicaps players skill alot, there comes a point where ping rules,

Absolutely.

I feel for the Aussie players with 300 to 400 ping. Mine is not so bad, avg. 90 and this is on an asymetrical DSL connection.

My download speed is 23 mbps and my upload speed is 0.87 mbps. If only I could afford an internet with the same speed up or down,

I think it would work better. Any thoughts? Am I right or wrong? Does a symetrical internet work better for gaming?

[Pat_McGherkin 2,074]

3 hours ago, rayrayblues said:

Absolutely.

I feel for the Aussie players with 300 to 400 ping. Mine is not so bad, avg. 90 and this is on an asymetrical DSL connection.

My download speed is 23 mbps and my upload speed is 0.87 mbps. If only I could afford an internet with the same speed up or down,

I think it would work better. Any thoughts? Am I right or wrong? Does a symetrical internet work better for gaming?

Gaijin should take a leaf out of the book used by the 'other tank game' that has not only added Australian servers but have taken to advertising that fact on TV. 

[blastedryan 967]

15 minutes ago, Pat_McGherkin said:

Gaijin should take a leaf out of the book used by the 'other tank game' that has not only added Australian servers but have taken to advertising that fact on TV. 

And the only reason that other game has the money to do that is by being horribly P2W

[Stona_WT 72,761]

On 10.01.2018 at 11:37 PM, MickoBGD said:

How are you sure with your 1500 games and 50% winrate that there is nothing implemented in game with a goal to reduce winrate of players with high winrate ? You work for gaijin ? That guy made some statements which are probably wrong but I just don't get it why are you sure about something that is not much relevant to you.

 

@Stona

When you tell "We do not nerf or boost players" for which I think is true do you tell that because you have confirmations from devs or similar info?

 

Info from dev team.

 

10 hours ago, Pat_McGherkin said:

Gaijin should take a leaf out of the book used by the 'other tank game' that has not only added Australian servers but have taken to advertising that fact on TV. 

 

So we should start adding platinum shells and other strange gimmicks to switch WT into P2W game?

No. As long as War Thunder is Gaijin product, it will not happen. We decided to go the harder way. Maybe it's not so profitable as P2W, but at the end of the day, we are fair

 

[SneakySausage 786]

@Stona

Nice to see you guys commenting on the conspiracy theories.

With regards to Australian servers and ping issues, ill post pics from 1 engagement today from my replay (not server)

[Pat_McGherkin 2,074]

1 hour ago, Stona said:

 

So we should start adding platinum shells and other strange gimmicks to switch WT into P2W game?

No. As long as War Thunder is Gaijin product, it will not happen. We decided to go the harder way. Maybe it's not so profitable as P2W, but at the end of the day, we are fair

 

I mentioned nothing about p2w. They are both f2p games as far as I'm aware (I haven't played the other game). I merely commented on the switch of topic to Australian servers and WT's lack thereof.

On the subject of being fair, playing with a ping of 250-300+ compared with 50-100 or less, that's exactly where many of the issues of fairness arise.

Edited January 14, 2018 by Pat_McGherkin