Stop Nerfing the players who do the objectives

[SneakySausage 786]

24 minutes ago, Pat_McGherkin said:

I mentioned nothing about p2w. They are both f2p games as far as I'm aware (I haven't played the other game). I merely commented on the switch of topic to Australian servers and WT's lack thereof.

On the subject of being fair, playing with a ping of 250-300+ compared with 50-100 or less, that's exactly where many of the issues of fairness arise.

Stona is referring to how they can afford a aus server. They are f2p yes but 'the other' is pay to win

[selwild2050 117]

There is No nerfing of some players.

And I did NOT just spend 70 euros to buy the coming Battle of Bodenplatte.

[MickoBGD 57]

WT is probably less p2w game than other games but it's just not nice to call other games p2w and wt not... almost all the f2p games are p2w in some way... for example, I play jets 1-2 games per day... how many games I need to play to research all the modules for mig-15 ? 500, 1000 ? Or I can just pay and upgrade and have advantage over other players? I like the game, I pay for premium and bought a lot of premium planes too but again, not nice to blame others for doing the same like gaijin... don't see any difference in this and other f2p games...

[Ska_King_Felix 1,450]

WT is not pay to win, fly out the XF5F and you will realize what I mean.

[MickoBGD 57]

I have that plane too, didn't play it a lot, I remember it was somehow bugged when I played it but didn't play it recently.

 

1. p2w = you can pay to have an advantage in game to win the game

2. you can pay for modules so you do not need to play stock plane and be **** until you spade a plane... some planes are very good even stock but some are terrible....

 

still it is a great game and I like spading, somehow it is interesting to me to fly all the planes of all the types...

[Evi1Monkey 44]

Is this a troll? Because I give it a +1 for making me laugh. A nice mix of tinfoil hat and ego.

 

Actually, someone already said what I was about to post:

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This topic sure made me laugh.. an objective player that only dives down to press spacebar is confused as to how other players outclass him in dog fighting. 

Perhaps you should not consider yourself the #whatever in the world. There is more to this game then bombing targets that dont shoot back. 

From what I can see, win % seems correlated to how often you spawn bombers, and/or buddy up with someone doing the same.

[FailBoatCaptain 439]

5 hours ago, Ska_King_Felix said:

WT is not pay to win, fly out the XF5F and you will realize what I mean.

Quoted for truth.

[spooT 126]

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"I'm an experienced player who is currently 5th in the world for win percentage at over 98% and 33rd for average relative position at over 96%.  I play for the win and do the objectives.  However you are ruining the game by nerfing according to stats in an effort to even out the game.  Every bullet that touches my plane kills me and a lot of the time they don't have to hit my plane to 1 shot me, if their stats are bad.  Many times low level players or those with win rates in the 50% and below range will shoot their tracers way off mark, extremely wide left or right and still 1 shot me.  I now can't hit planes as they consistently fly straight through my gunfire, with the black indicator spinning around, indicating that I'm hitting them, and I'l get nothing.  Not even a hit.  These players will flip over, get on me as my plane suddenly refuses to turn while just hanging in the air, and they one shot me.  It's insane and impossible, yet it happens game after game.  If you're going to ruin the game for the better players in an effort to "even out" matches, then at least man up and admit to us that you've screwed us over, and kindly refund the money we've spent.  Because, you've taken away what we paid you for.  After spending a lot of money on crews, planes and flying premium for over 4 years, you have ruined the game for me instead of expecting less skilled players to get better. It's shameful and dishonest.  Again, kindly stop the nerfing or refund my money and, at the very least, own up to it.  Also, every player with high level stats knows you're doing it so it's not the secret you think it is."

 

 

 

This is more of a pride problem rather than a community/Gaijin problem. So you're salty because low level or even inexperienced players kill you and u get mad because you're experienced with 21k battles (possibly a level 100 Colonel)? What a joke. Be humble. No one gets far with pride friend. Doesnt mean he's a level 1 newbie doesnt mean he doesnt have the skills to kill you. He's a human being, he/she has a brain and uses it. Sometimes you don't need skill to do it sometimes it's just plain and simple logic/ common sense.

 

You're giving me the idea that you're one of those players who gets into chat fights and then is so quick to check the guy your fighting with in chat's "Player Card" and then use at as a basis for your defense and in the end tells everyone in chat "I'm better than you." If I'm wrong then I'm wrong. No need to get offended. Rank doesnt matter in this game. Even there is an award for that. Learn to be humble and respect everyone no matter how low level or how bad that player is. Even me I tell ppl sometimes "GJ or WD" when they kill me.

 

On the other hand what Stona said was true. And it was very well said too. 

I don't even think WT is p2w. In fact many regular vehicles are better than premiums. Everything is fair when it comes to that compared to other games.

 

WT is a free game and anyone has the right to play the game as they want it to be. You can't do anything about that. "I" can't do anything about that. That's why in every game I just do my part. People explore, learn new things, they commit mistakes and then they learn from it. You can't force them. Your only choice is to just "deal with it".

 

"Respect" is the only key to having a good community and YES I understand that no one is perfect. It takes time to change, and you don't have to force yourself if you don't want to. But no one ever said that you can never 'try"

 

Cheers.

 

Edited January 17, 2018 by spooT

[SlavicHammer 0]

On 1/11/2018 at 1:44 PM, MickoBGD said:

@Coyote_Kisses

You are good player. Just what I think is you should show some respect as there may be better players than you with worse stats because they just dont care about stats and dont care if they will die or not...There are a lot of different playstyles that are not comparable.

 

For example I think that noone in this game has more skins / achievements of any type than me... I like to do that because it is some kind of goal. How do you think chasing skins affected my stats. Someone "smart" in gaijin made skin for Pe-2-359 to bomb bases. You know that it needs like 7-8 runs over a single small base to destroy it with 2x500kg bombs. So you need to spend 30-40 games in that Pe-2 to get a skin. Or how it affects your stats when you try to spade Ki-109 for which is a great result if you killed 2 ground AAA in a game as in most games you will do 0 points.

 

So yes, KDR means skill but you must realize that downthere in a mess there are a LOT of great players with SKILLS. Players with no skill will make 0-1 kills and die, players will skill will make 4-5 kills and die. And you disrespect them.

 

Few days ago I played against guy named something like SlavicHammer or similar. He made like 23-25 kills in 2 games in a row that we played and played against me. But he died 4-5 per game. So his kdr was 5:1 which is not so epic but I would like to see how many players can make 25 kills in 2 games in a row. He for sure must have a skill. He was diving down i a red cloud, and killing like insane 5-6 planes in couple of seconds. In second game I decided to chase him and killed each other 3 times head on. I imagine he could have couple of more kills if I didn't intent to just "ruin" his game.

 

Thank you for so kind words about me:)

[FailBoatCaptain 439]

I am not being nerfed by anything but the bloody matchmaker. But being 1st on the team on a losing team bombing the crap out for ground targets with little to no cover on Front Line or Ground Strike in 3.3 lineup on a 4.0 game only to have some dude on the team yell " bomb the tanks " makes me 

 

[spooT 126]

Yeah, I used to get frustrated when I get paired up with AD-4 spam on my team while flying the 51H. Because most of the time they just die early game without even trying to fight back...until that one game where a teamate said "no, look at the points" and I looked up and saw in just 5 minutes early game the enemy team was already down to 40% of their tickets while we were still at full. Then the bombers finished it off. And from taht moment I was just like "oh...ok then"

[Tesh_Hayayi 130]

http://thunderskill.com/en/stat/Renamed_Awesome

You know anyone who wants to check your silly claims can right?

You have a good record in a game mode I don't play, but if you honestly think your level effects anything, I'm legitimately baffled how you can play over 20,000 Arcade matches and still think something so ridiculous

Edited January 19, 2018 by Tesh_Hayayi

[VaperTrail 343]

On ‎1‎/‎13‎/‎2018 at 9:13 PM, Coyote_Kisses said:

I’m Aussie too and I play just US with a bit 250 ping, or I’ll play EU with 380 which is ussually okay. SA is our best bet in the low 200s. I don’t notice too much of a big difference and for turnfighting it’s fine, it’s just snapshots and stuff things will spark a lot more and also head ons can be annoying when you see all your shots spark lol otherwise I’m happy

 

Sometimes I get that ping if I play after 12am and its a good game and snapshots work, but 90% of the time it really plays havoc with my play quality effecting everything from my controls response to hit detection it just wrecks the game.

Im out the back of Kingaroy Queensland and my internet is a 25mb Fixed wireless, the tower is about 500 meters from me, its a great connection for streaming or downloading files but the latency in WT is all over the place from game to game making it very hard for me to get to that next level in skill, its like Im wallowing in limbo trying to kick goals where the posts keep moving to another spot that's hidden.

Is what it is and I cant do nothing about it, one thing for sure an Aus server would do a lot more WT business than now, it would bring a lot more players from this region of the world to the game, id even pay a mthy fee towards the cost of a Aus server and Im sure many others would do the same, Gaijin just ignore us rather than give us a genuine response as to why its not viable.

[PainGod85 8,050]

On 9.1.2018 at 5:21 PM, Renamed_Awesome said:

I'm an experienced player who is currently 5th in the world for win percentage at over 98% and 33rd for average relative position at over 96%.  I play for the win and do the objectives.  However you are ruining the game by nerfing according to stats in an effort to even out the game.  Every bullet that touches my plane kills me and a lot of the time they don't have to hit my plane to 1 shot me, if their stats are bad.  Many times low level players or those with win rates in the 50% and below range will shoot their tracers way off mark, extremely wide left or right and still 1 shot me.  I now can't hit planes as they consistently fly straight through my gunfire, with the black indicator spinning around, indicating that I'm hitting them, and I'l get nothing.  Not even a hit.  These players will flip over, get on me as my plane suddenly refuses to turn while just hanging in the air, and they one shot me.  It's insane and impossible, yet it happens game after game.  If you're going to ruin the game for the better players in an effort to "even out" matches, then at least man up and admit to us that you've screwed us over, and kindly refund the money we've spent.  Because, you've taken away what we paid you for.  After spending a lot of money on crews, planes and flying premium for over 4 years, you have ruined the game for me instead of expecting less skilled players to get better. It's shameful and dishonest.  Again, kindly stop the nerfing or refund my money and, at the very least, own up to it.  Also, every player with high level stats knows you're doing it so it's not the secret you think it is.

 

Wow...wait...what...

 

I mean, wow. Just wow.

 

 

Edited January 19, 2018 by PainGod85

[VaperTrail 343]

9 hours ago, PainGod85 said:

 

Wow...wait...what...

 

I mean, wow. Just wow.

 

 

 

Thing is this part of what he said happens to me a lot .

 

" extremely wide left or right and still 1 shot me.  I now can't hit planes as they consistently fly straight through my gunfire, with the black indicator spinning around, indicating that I'm hitting them, and I'l get nothing.  Not even a hit.  These players will flip over, get on me as my plane suddenly refuses to turn while just hanging in the air, and they one shot me.  It's insane and impossible, yet it happens game after game"

[Saint_StuG 1,282]

why do people even get pissy about winrates. Many objectives in air AB are either menial (groundpounding) or plain suicidal (landing on an airstrip in the middle of a dogfight, rarely see anyone survive that), require little skill, and put you in bad situations. Whilst everyone can do their part (try covering bombers, etc.), solely playing the objective will probably not make for a great experience. K/D ratio is a much better way to examine someone's prowess in general, and even that won't tell the whole story.

 

That aside, any such form of elitism should be abandoned. Do you play for fun, or for the stats. 

[Pat_McGherkin 2,074]

4 hours ago, Saint_StuG said:

why do people even get pissy about winrates. Many objectives in air AB are either menial (groundpounding) or plain suicidal (landing on an airstrip in the middle of a dogfight, rarely see anyone survive that), require little skill, and put you in bad situations. Whilst everyone can do their part (try covering bombers, etc.), solely playing the objective will probably not make for a great experience. K/D ratio is a much better way to examine someone's prowess in general, and even that won't tell the whole story.

 

That aside, any such form of elitism should be abandoned. Do you play for fun, or for the stats. 

I don't care about win rates but I always play to win. I don't see the point in playing anything if you're not trying to win.

 

The reason why there's a difference between winning and win rates? Teammates & matchmaking. I play solo a lot and with the poor skill levels of many war thunderers there's only so much one person can do. Get too hung up on win rates and it's a direct line to a breakdown.

 

But playing to win does not exclude any notion of having fun. I get my fun from being in the middle of the action and keeping busy in my games. In tanks I don't sit in that one spot waiting for that one tank to traverse that one spot where I've had my gun trained for the entire match and in planes I don't sit at altitude waiting for that one unsuspecting enemy to come my way.

 

I chase targets and points. If that doesn't take me to the action it brings the action to me.

 

Landing on an airfield is not suicidal if you know what you're doing. You kill the likely attackers first and cap quickly before others arrive.

 

I've capped up to 13 times in one game and got 18 kills in the process. So yes...it is possible to survive it. And the good players do, because to do so does requires exceptional skill.

 

There are a few skillful players that can genuinely confess to preferring kill ratios over win rates and have the kill ratios to back that up. The rest are either spawn campers with the kill ratios or the bad players without them.

Edited February 2, 2018 by Pat_McGherkin

[FailBoatCaptain 439]

I play to work on my tasks. I try to avoid tasks that require wins. So depending on the task I may not go out of my way to try to win. For example I have played several Front line games and never dropped any bombs on things. Cause I needed to kill planes for a task 

[spooT 126]

15 hours ago, Saint_StuG said:

any such form of elitism should be abandoned

That's the sentence right there.

 

What I get annoyed mostly in this game are immature people who are quick to check other people's stats and use that as a basis for his defense. That is just childish. Stat means nothing in this game. You can have tons of kills because you just finished off dying enemies that your team worked so hard on or you could be a highly skilled player but there are just times where the battle is not in your favor and at times you get killed early in battle.Comparing stats is immature and childish in this game. Because in a way in the future you can't accept defeat. I admire those highly skilled players that don't even talk or boast they are skilled and just get tons of kills because all they want to do is have fun in the game. And when a newbie kills them they tell him "good job" or just stay silent. Rather than those who get killed by someone and they quickly look at stat card and say "I'm better than you in every way. Really now. If you are 15/older then act like one. Stop b*tching about stats. You're just proving how much of a kid you are. Be humble, remove your ego and learn to respect others.

 

Me, I play for fun and because I enjoy the vehicles.

 

People are also like WT vehicles. They have their own pro's and cons.

Edited February 2, 2018 by spooT

[T_Ijon_Tichy 78]

I'm only wondering if the matchmaker matches "bad" players with "good" players so you get an "even fight".

[spooT 126]

On 2/3/2018 at 5:51 AM, T_Ijon_Tichy said:

I'm only wondering if the matchmaker matches "bad" players with "good" players so you get an "even fight".

*gasp* Noooo. My worst nightmare

 

Just kidding. Yeah, I think so.

Edited February 7, 2018 by spooT

[DakkaDakkaDakka_ 15]

[Adapt73 479]

On 09/01/2018 at 21:32, Coyote_Kisses said:

Simple advice: Learn how to git gud and not blame the games physics for your lack of skill! 

From someone who shoots people in the back as they spawn in. 

[_MoNtaNa_ 928]

16 hours ago, Adapt73 said:

From someone who shoots people in the back as they spawn in. 

That´s how it´s done.

[Zyferious 37]

23 hours ago, Adapt73 said:

From someone who shoots people in the back as they spawn in. 

Holy necro.

Edited December 14, 2020 by Zyferious