aircraft/loadouts Dassault MD.452 Mystére IIC - Higher Superiority Over the MD.452 IIA

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

My next suggestion is going to be for the Dassault MD.452 Mystère IIC, basically an MD.452 IIA with a better engine and 30mm cannons. Unlike the MD.452 IIA, which was built only once or twice, this variant was fairly "mass-produced" in over 100 units. I wish to see this plane in the game before the MD.454 IVA and after the MD.452 IIA.

the MD.452 IIC was actually mentioned in the 1.73 release video when "Bruce" mentioned the Mystere, saying it came with two modifications: one with Hispanos and one with 30mm cannons but it's not in the game for some reason. I know it may come in the future, but to further extend the chances of implementing it I'm making the suggestion. Now let's begin  

 

General overview:

 

 

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The Dassault MD.452 Mystère IIC is a French jet fighter-bomber from the 1950s which was developed by Dassault Aviation for the Armée de l'Air. It was meant to reinforce the French Air Force by bringing the country's military airspace into the jet age. About 150 units were delivered to the Armée de l'Air, the MD.452 IIC featured two improvements over the MD.452 IIA prototype: a better engine and the Hispano 20mm cannons replaced by the DEFA 551 30mm cannons.

 

 

 

History, design and development:

 

 

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Using the experience from the Ouragan’s first flights, Marcel Dassault managed to use a pre-production plane to improve its aerodynamic features. On February 11, 1950, he signed a contract to design and build thin-section wings that could fit an MD 450 Ouragan’s fuselage. The MD 452, later renamed Mystère, was thus born.

 

The fuselage of the Ouragan was altered in the central compartment to receive a different wing, much more swept back (30° instead of 14°) and with reduced relative thickness ratio, such that transonic phenomena would not be encountered until the aircraft reached much higher velocity. The stabilizers, The Mystère II was equipped with the first serial servo-control units manufactured in France (designed and built especially in Saint-Cloud by Dassault).

 

The prototype Mystère II 01 (with a Rolls Royce Nene jet engine) first flew out of Istres on February 23, 1951 with Kostia Rozanoff at the helm.
This new model’s climb rate and maximum speed were considerably better than the Ouragan’s. In the early 1950s, transonic flight was an achievement in itself. No French aircraft, however, had yet broken the speed barrier. Kostia Rozanoff tried, and was indeed under the impression his plane had broken the barrier, but the famous boom was never heard. In October 1952, three American pilots flew the Mystère II.

The second and third prototypes with the Tay engine known as the Mystère II A flew on April 5 and July 2,1952, respectively. The Mystère II n°4 served as a flying test-bed for the Snecma Atar 101 C and 101 D engine. It first flew on December, 1952, piloted by Charles Monier.

On October 28, Major Marion Davis flew n° 03. As opposed to French pilots, he knew the secret to directing the sound towards the public, and the much-anticipated boom was heard. Commander Roger Carpentier from the flight test center was the first Frenchman to officially break the sound barrier on December 12, 1952, in Brétigny. Jacqueline Auriol was the first woman to do so, on August 15, 1953, in the cockpit of a Mystère II.

 

On January 15, 1953, 150 Mystère II C aircraft (Atar engine, symmetrical wing and two 30- mm cannons) were ordered by the French Air force. The first production model flew on October 1, 1954, piloted by Georges Brian. The 150th was delivered in January 1957. In July, the Mystère II C entered into service in the Air Force at the Creil Wing, simultaneously with the Mystère IV. He was retrieved the same year, replaced by the latter.

 

 

 

 

 

Internal Components:

 

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Camouflages

 

 

 

 

Dassault MD.452 Mystére Variants

 

 

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	Prototype MD.452 Mystére I
	Prototype MD.452 Mystére I
	MD.452-05 is one of the three pre-series aircraft in 17 aircraft built to IIA standard.
	Pre-production MD.452 Mystére II
	Pre-production MD.452 Mystére II
	MD.452 Mystére II
	MD.452 Mystére II
	MD.452 Mystére IIC
	MD.452 Mystére

 

 

 

 

 

 

Specifications

 

 

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Dassault MD.452 Mystere IIC

(I use Wikipedia's layout but I do not copy-paste stats from there)

 

General Characteristics

 

First flight: 1951

Type: Fighter-bomber

Service life: 1951 - 1957

Crew: 1

Length: 12.234m (40.2 ft)

Wingspan: 11.33m (37.1 ft)

Height: 4.2m (13.96 ft)

Wing area: 30.28 m² (325.93 ft²)

Empty weight: 5,730 kg (12,632 lbs)

Loaded weight: 7,460 kg (16,446.48) (without drop tanks), 8,750 kg (19,290.45) (with drop tanks)

Powerplant: 1 x TRD SNECMA Atar 101D -2/3 developing 3,000 kgf of thrust (29.36 kN, 6,610 lbf)

 

Performance

 

Maximum speed: 1,060 km/h (658.6 mph, 572 knots)

Rate of climb: 23 m/s (75 ft/s)

Thrust/weight: 0.40 

Service ceiling: 15,240m (50,000 ft)

Mach limit (4,572m, 15,000 ft): 0.93

Wing loading (empty): 172.442 kg/m² (35.319 lbs/sq. ft)

Wing loading (loaded): 246.7 kg/m² (50.528 lbs/sq. ft)

Range: 885 km (550 miles, 480 nmi)

Endurance: 1h30m

 

Armament

 

Guns: 2 x 30mm DEFA 30-541 (150 rpg, 300 rds total)

Rockets: 2 x Matra rocket pods (19 x 68mm SNEB rockets per pod)

Bombs: 2 x 500 lbs OR 2 x 1000 lbs

 

 

 

 

                                                                  ATTENTION!

 

1. I got the TWR (Thrust/weight ratio) using an app that calculates it. If it just happens that 0.40 for the MD.452 IIC is wrong and you have the correct number, please inform me!
2. I've recently found these documents which are in French. Since I don't understand French despite learning it since 1st grade at school, it would be a pleasure if someone could translate them. I'm a bit anxious in case about having the statistics of the plane incorrect. You will be credited  

 

 

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Sources: 

 

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Les chasseurs Dassault Ouragans, Mysteres, et Super-Mysteres by Jean Cuny

Flight magazine, 9 April 1954, pp 464

 

Aviation and Time. Alexander Kotlobovsky. The terrible "mystery" 

Aviafrance. Un siecle d'aviation francaise. Dassault MD-452 'Mystere' II 

FAQs.org.Greg Goebel.Air Vectors. The Dassault Ouragan, Mystere, & Super Mystere 

W. Green, G.Swanborough. The Complete Book of Fighters Klassiker der Luftfahrt. H.Redemann, K. Schwarz.Einsteig ins Jet-Zeitalter DocAvia. Jean Cuny. Les chasseurs Dassault Ouragans, Mysteres et Super MysteresAvions. Roland de Narbonne. Un "Mystere" difficile a mettre au clair 1000aircraftphotos.com. No. 10903. Dassault MD452 Mystère II (37) French Air Force

 

https://www.aviationsmilitaires.net/v2/base/view/Model/779.html

http://www.airvectors.net/avmyst.html

https://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/passion/aircraft/military-dassault-aircraft/md-452-mystere-ii/

 

 

Edited March 11, 2018 by EpicBlitzkrieg87

[Radom 4,245]

Open for discussion.

 

 

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

13 minutes ago, Radom said:

Open for discussion.

Thanks love the quick response

[Volt_A_Jeun 0]

+1 this beauty would make a great addition to the french top tier 

[Slipslime 660]

+1 it's actually a jet worthy of 9.0

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

On 1/30/2018 at 1:32 AM, Slipslime said:

+1 it's actually a jet worthy of 9.0

Yes I agree

[Q_Garbage_Q@psn 2,092]

The Mystère IVA is probably my favourite jet and this one would make for a good step up to it. +1
But on one condition: I want that camo with the Mystère II inscription on the side. Really missed that on the Mystère we have right now

[Laachax_ 2]

I'm a bit disappointed that it wasn't in there to begin with. But let's hope it gets in soon. Also which part would you like translated of those documents? The whole thing?

Edited February 11, 2018 by Zandalari
typo

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

59 minutes ago, Zandalari said:

I'm a bit disappointed that it was in there to begin with. But let's hope it gets in soon. Also which part would you like translated of those documents? The whole thing?

Yeah, everything. But of course not all at once.

[Laachax_ 2]

21 minutes ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

Yeah, everything. But of course not all at once.

 

Alright, I'll slowly go through it ^^

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

58 minutes ago, Zandalari said:

 

Alright, I'll slowly go through it ^^

Thank you  

[kev2go 5,112]

this should have been added from the get go followed up by Mystere 4A which  French tree is still lacking 

 

Cough cough Gajin  

Edited February 11, 2018 by kev2go

[Raging_Lemons 1]

1+,

Personally find French fighter jets really lacking, in-game right now. Welcome addition

[DJBscout 61]

+1, this thing belongs in the tree for sure!

[Admiral_Aruon 2,264]

+1 all for it. i sure hope that it's climb rate is actually better than the stated 23m/s. otherwise it's going to be just a french version of the La-15.

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

On 2/12/2018 at 5:23 AM, Admiral_Aruon said:

+1 all for it. i sure hope that it's climb rate is actually better than the stated 23m/s. otherwise it's going to be just a french version of the La-15.

Top speed of 1,060 though. Not quite a French La-15  23 m/s is what I could find by looking everywhere

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

 

Mystère IVA has been passed to the devs! Now it's the Mystère IIC's turn

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

Apparently we're getting it in 1.77!

 

[Borotovas 4,500]

10 hours ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

Apparently we're getting it in 1.77!

 

 

It seems like the version on the dev server is without the yellow fuel tanks.

 

 

https://imgur.com/a/VnyI0

[Slipslime 660]

I can't believe it's after the Barougan though, that doesn't make an ounce of sense

[LaChasseBordel 26]

Hi

 

IMO, this will be another out of meta 9.0 fighter, and therefore, quite useless against CL-13/F-86s, sadly. 8.7 would be more balanced I think. In the DEV, it was manoeuverable, but it accelerated way too slowly to be a real threat.

It would also have been better to get the production variant instead, with ~200 kgf more thrust and aerodynamic improvements over the pre-production models (Without mentionning the fact that it was the only relevant Mystère II: There were 2 or 3 IIAs and 13 IICs pre-production, compared to 100+ IIC production variants...)

 

Still better than the MD.452.IIA any day, and a cool addition, but not what France needed to be competitive at 9.0 IMO.

 

And then there is indeed this weird position on the tree... After an aircraft that is an Ouragan with a different landing gear (and therefore should be in a folder) which itself is after a line of imported US aircraft ? It must be a mistake.

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

4 hours ago, LaChasseBordel said:

Hi

 

IMO, this will be another out of meta 9.0 fighter, and therefore, quite useless against CL-13/F-86s, sadly. 8.7 would be more balanced I think. In the DEV, it was manoeuverable, but it accelerated way too slowly to be a real threat.

It would also have been better to get the production variant instead, with ~200 kgf more thrust and aerodynamic improvements over the pre-production models (Without mentionning the fact that it was the only relevant Mystère II: There were 2 or 3 IIAs and 13 IICs pre-production, compared to 100+ IIC production variants...)

 

Still better than the MD.452.IIA any day, and a cool addition, but not what France needed to be competitive at 9.0 IMO.

 

And then there is indeed this weird position on the tree... After an aircraft that is an Ouragan with a different landing gear (and therefore should be in a folder) which itself is after a line of imported US aircraft ? It must be a mistake.

Wow, now I understand. The first 13 production Mystere IICs had weaker engines. Why are we not getting both preproduction and production ones, I'll never understand..

 

At least it will be somewhat competitive, considering the performance boost over the MD.452 IIA and the DEFA cannons.

[LaChasseBordel 26]

2 hours ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

Wow, now I understand. The first 13 production Mystere IICs had weaker engines. Why are we not getting both preproduction and production ones, I'll never understand..

Exactly, there is no sense there either. It's not like giving the IIC its ATAR 101D instead of the 101C was going to make it OP...

 

I have a theory on the subject, which is that the only Mystère II that you can actually see in public in this day and age is the number 13, so one of the pre-production models. And what a surprise, it does have the wingtip fuel tanks (Which is really uncommon, given that the French Air Force mostly used underwing fuel tanks on its Mystère IIC).

Therefore, I think Gaijin chose to model this one, since they couldn't find a way to model a IIC production. Hopefully the real IIC will make it in the game soon, along with its brother, the famous Mystère IVA

 

2 hours ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

At least it will be somewhat competitive, considering the performance boost over the MD.452 IIA and the DEFA cannons.

That's true, it can't be worse than the IIA anyway.

Edited March 5, 2018 by LaChasseBordel

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

23 hours ago, LaChasseBordel said:

I have a theory on the subject, which is that the only Mystère II that you can actually see in public in this day and age is the number 13, so one of the pre-production models. And what a surprise, it does have the wingtip fuel tanks (Which is really uncommon, given that the French Air Force mostly used underwing fuel tanks on its Mystère IIC).

Therefore, I think Gaijin chose to model this one, since they couldn't find a way to model a IIC production. Hopefully the real IIC will make it in the game soon, along with its brother, the famous Mystère IVA

 

It could be that they want to gradually develop the progression in the tech tree, so let's say for example they don't want the MD.454 IV straight away without other jets to precede it. That could be why they're adding the preproduction first, then the regular one later. Maybe they also don't have enough legitimate sources on the regular production one yet.

[Trotrodor 2,670]

On 05/03/2018 at 7:43 PM, LaChasseBordel said:

Exactly, there is no sense there either. It's not like giving the IIC its ATAR 101D instead of the 101C was going to make it OP...

 

In the game (devserv) the Xray of the plane show that it has the AtarD, the engine use in the final Mystère IIC

Edited March 7, 2018 by Trotrodor