aircraft/loadouts Sukhoi Su-11 (I) (LK) 1947 - A Refined Soviet Schwalbe

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

This aircraft is an extension of the previously suggested Sukhoi Su-9 (I) (K) 1946, by replacing the reverse-engineered RD-10 turbojets with the all-Russian Lyulka TR-1 powerplants, and a bit of revising into the design. Meet the Su-11 (I) (LK) 1947!

 

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The Sukhoi Su-11 (I) (LK) 1947 is a Russian jet fighter designed in 1947 on the basis of its predecessor, the Su-9 1946, to upgrade it in order to compete with MiG OKB's MiG-9. Despite the work being put into it, the aircraft was rejected in favor of the MiG-9 then the MiG-9 in favor of the MiG-15. The project name was designated "Samolyet LK" by the OKB.

 

 

 

 

History, design and development:

 

 

 

 

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It was noted above that under a government decree of February 26, 1946, a single fighter with two Jumo-004 engines was built in two copies. The second copy, the so-called "backup", was started in September 1946.

Airplane model blowing in the wind tunnels of the TsAGI confirmed the assumption of a possible improvement in the flight data of the aircraft when the engines were "inscribed" into the wing, which in the engines' suspension places had a curved half-ring upward. Therefore, for the "backup" a new wing with a "curved" spar was designed and put into production, and to protect the horizontal tail plane from the effects of gases flowing from the nozzles, it was installed with a positive transverse angle V equal to 5╟.

In addition, to increase the thrust of the RD-10 engine, the plant ╧ 134 together with the CIAM (head AI Tolstov) carried out work on the design and manufacture of a new elongated turbocharged engine with additional fuel injection. The turbine part was in the form of a pipe with double walls for cooling, made of stainless steel and an internal fairing, fixed with six radial racks, in which fuel nozzles were installed. The fuel to the injectors came from an additional pump driven by a turbojet engine. To control the outlet section of the nozzle, instead of a cone mounted on the RD-10, two flaps were used, controlled by an automatic regulator of the jet nozzle. In the annual technical report of the plant ╧ 134 for 1946 it was noted that: "... Testing the engine with a new tail,

Meanwhile, in 1946, AM Lyulka, appointed chief designer and responsible head of the plant ╧ 165, conducted a comparative test of the Jumo-004 captured engine and the experimental C-18, the latter showing better economy with more traction and less weight. This accelerated the beginning of the work on the creation of a flight copy of the TR-1 engine on the basis of the S-18, which was carried out by the pilot plant ╧ 165 in close cooperation with the serial plant ╧ 45. By the end of 1946, the plant ╧ 45 produced 36 copies of the TR-1 engines.

There is every reason to assume that it was this fact that caused the replacement of the forced RD-10 by TR-1 on the "backup". One way or another, but in mid-December 1946, in the correspondence, the "backup" became known as the "modification of the fighter with TR-1", and this topic was included in the plan for pilot aircraft construction for 1947, approved by the Council of Ministers of the USSR on March 11, 1947 and the order of the MAP of April 26, 1947. These documents P.O. Dry was prescribed: "... To build and pass for state tests: ... a front-line fighter with two turbojet engines TR-1A t. Cradle with a pull 1500 kg or Dervent-V (modification of a fighter with RD-10 engines), with the following data :

• The maximum speed at the ground is 940 km / h

• The maximum speed at an altitude of 5000 m is 950 km / h

• Lifting time at 5000m - 3.0min

• Take-off - 700m

• Mileage - 450m

• Range of flight at an altitude of 1000 m with engines TR-1 A t. Lyulka: at a speed of 750 km / h - 900 km

• the maximum range is 1200 km with Dervent- engines: at a speed of 750 km / h - 1550 km

• the maximum range is 2000 km

• Practical ceiling - 14000m

• Bomb load in the overload to provide - 500kg

• Armament - 1 cannon caliber 45mm - 2 cannon caliber 23mm

The plane was built in one copy and handed over to state tests in August 1947 ... ".

In the second decade of April 1947, the aircraft, which received the designation "LK" or Su-11 , was assembled and transported to the LII MAP airfield on 11 May. The flight testing service was entrusted to the crew consisting of test pilot GM Shiyanov, lead testing engineer VP Baluyev, flight mechanic MMSemcharin, motorists IN Osipenkov and MG Pakhomov, leading engineer factory ╧ 165 VVEfimov.

The first flight of the Su-11 took place on May 28, 1947. As usual, the beginning of the tests revealed a number of shortcomings in the operation of aircraft and engine systems. In addition, the "behavior" of the aircraft control system indicated the presence of aerodynamic over-compensation of ailerons. Like the Su-9, it was eliminated by installing corners on the tail sections of the ailerons. However, it should be noted that the design bureau was already developing drawings of modified ailerons with internal compensation, intended for installation on Su-9 and Su-11 fighters.

On August 3, a Su-9 aircraft, piloted by AG Kochetkov and Su-11, piloted by GM Shiyanov took part in the parade dedicated to the Day of the Air Fleet of the USSR.

At the end of August, in parallel with the factory tests, a separate program started the flight tests of the TR-1 engine. Experts of the plant ╧ 45 were connected to the main team of testers: the test engineer IG Khudyakov and the senior mechanic GA Tretyakov. The tests of the engines were successfully completed on September 25, 1947.

Unfortunately, factory testing was not so smooth. In flights at speeds starting from M = 0.68, there was a phenomenon of shaking, which the testers associated with the flow failure from the horizontal tail. The latter was subjected twice to the puttying and grinding, and then replaced by a new one, made in production with high quality. But these measures did not eliminate the shaking. It was necessary to look for the source. To locate the places of flow failure, on the nacelle and in the places of their junction with the wing, silk tapes were glued, and on the wing spar, electric scanners were installed in the zone of the main chassis supports. After a number of flights came to the conclusion about the need to extend the jet nozzles and nacelles by about 700 mm. This revision, carried out in early September, did not eliminate the shaking, but only pushed back its beginning, since at speeds corresponding to M = 0,

In addition, at M = 0.71, the Su-11's tendency to dive, accompanied by a fall in loads on the handle of the aircraft, and subsequently shifting to negative values. To eliminate this phenomenon, according to the recommendations of TsAGI, the models of the aircraft with the modified conjugation of the nacelle with the wing were made, and the wing chord near the nacelle was increased and thus the relative thickness of the profile was reduced. The results of blowing the models in the wind tunnel T-106 instilled some optimism. It seemed that the problem was solved. By mid-January 1948, the modified wing was installed on the plane, but further flights denied the validity of TsAGI's recommendations.

In February 1948, a braking parachute and booster mechanisms were installed on the aircraft in the control systems of the ailerons and elevator. The development of boosters was delayed until the end of the flight tests.

On April 15, 1948, the factory flight tests were completed, during which 54 flights were completed, 11 of them by test pilot SN Anokhin. The total flight time was 21 hours 08 minutes.

In conclusion of the flight test report it was noted that:

• "The main flight and technical data of the Su-11 with two TR-1, obtained during the factory flight tests, are consistent with the calculated data.

• The lack of TP-1A engines and the insufficient effect of TsAGI recommendations adopted to improve the aircraft's behavior at speeds corresponding to a large number of M make it unnecessary to further develop the aircraft.

• Work on the Su-11 is considered complete; ask the 7th to make a cancellation of the plane ... "

April 29, 1948 the car was written off.

The Su-11, being a modification of the Su-9 fighter, had some design differences:

• a set of profiles was changed according to the span of the wing (the end profile of 1C10-12 was replaced by P2-2M);

• engines RD-10 replaced by engines TR-1 with a different arrangement of nacelles;

• the distance between the axes of the engines is increased, and accordingly the swing and wing area;

• slightly increased the size of the vertical tail and ailerons;

• there are no brake shields.

On the design of other units, rifle-cannon and bombardment weapons, as well as the composition of equipment, both aircraft were identical.

The Su-9 and Su-11 fighters had their development in several unrealized projects.

In the summer of 1946, OKB-134 in an initiative order completed the development of a draft sketch of a two-seat training aircraft designed on the basis of an experienced Su-9 fighter and intended "... for the removal and retraining of pilots on airplanes with turbojets ...". The Su-9UT project was approved by the customer and on August 31 the chief engineer of the Air Force Colonel-General IAS IV. Markov approved the conclusion on the draft design, which noted that: "... Given the extreme urgency of the projected aircraft for the Air Force of the USSR Armed Forces, consider it necessary to speed up the construction of a prototype aircraft in order to ensure its entry into state tests in January-February 1947 ". For various reasons, the project was not launched. From its prototype, the Su-9UT was distinguished by its larger cabin size, designed for two pilots, a modified lantern of the cabin, lack of booking, a reduced composition of rifle and cannon armament (the project envisaged the installation of two B-20 cannons with a total ammunition load of 200 cartridges) and a number of other minor changes. Flight data of the Su-9UT were obtained by recalculating the data of the original sample.

Due to the absence of the TR-1A engines at the plant with the thrust of 1500 kgs, the flight characteristics of the Su-11 in some parameters did not meet the requirements of the USSR government decree of March 11, 1947. Considering these circumstances, in the middle of 1947 a preliminary design of the modified Su-11 airplane with two Dervent-V engines was developed, which received the "KD" cipher and the designation Su-13 in correspondence. In conclusion, according to the draft design approved by the chief engineer of the Air Force on October 7, 1947, it was noted that: "... The projected aircraft, being a further development, currently undergoing flight tests of the RD-10 and TR-1 aircraft, -Technical data is of great interest to the Air Force of the USSR Armed Forces.

The further fate of the Su-13 fighter project is reflected in the technical report: "On the implementation of the pilot aircraft construction plan for the design bureau of plant No. 134 for 1947," presented to the leadership of the Air Force Research Institute Research Institute by the deputy senior military representative, Lieutenant-Colonel V. Khristoforov. The report noted that "... Due to the lack of reserves of production capacity, the Su-13 was practically not started at the plant No. 134, 20% of the rigging on the wing and 20% of the parts for the wing assembly were manufactured. were designed and 75% imprinted in the blue.It was supposed to build two copies of the Su-13 at the plant ╧ 381, but the Minister of Aviation Industry did not allow ... ". In mid-1948, work on this version of the Su-13 was completely discontinued.

From Su-11 fighter Su-13 was characterized by a swept horizontal plumage (X = 35╟), an enlarged wing area, reduced relative thickness of the wing profile and the presence of air brakes. In connection with the increase in design overloads, certain elements of the fuselage and tail unit were strengthened. To increase the firepower, the cannon battery consisted of three H-37 guns with a total ammunition load of 120 rounds.

In March 1948, the outline design of the Su-13 interceptor fighter (factory code "TK") with two RD-500 engines (domestic analogue of the Dervent-V engine) was completed. The project was not sent to higher authorities.

According to its design, the interceptor repeated the Su-13 fighter, but had an enlarged forward fuselage to place the radar station "Thorium", an airtight cockpit of a ventilation type, and the gun battery consisted of two H-37 cannons with a total of 80 rounds of ammunition.

It is interesting to note that until the end of April 1948, investigations were carried out to further modify the interceptor fighter by the codes "MK" and "M".

For many decades among the researchers of the history of aviation, the dispute over the degree of "kinship" of the Me-262 and Su-9 aircraft has not stopped. At the same time, the range of opinions is wide enough, and ranges from assumptions to categorical statements. An example of this is the monograph "The German Footprint in the History of Russian Aviation," where one of the authors states:

"... Still, we made one attempt to create a fighter based on the Me-262. In 1946, a Su-9 aircraft was built at the plant No. 134 (Pilot Plant OKB PO Sukhoi), which was mainly a repetition of the Me -262 Just like the Messersh-Mitt, the Su-9 had two Jumo-004 engines under its wings, and in size, configuration and flight-tactical characteristics it was very similar to the German fighter .The differences were in the shape of the wing in plan and cross-section of the fuselage. The pilot's seat was a copy of a similar German, created for the fighter He-162. (the maximum speed is 885 km / h, the ceiling is 12800 m, the range is 1200 km) that the test pilot AG Kochetkov received, the Su-9 was not built in the series, as the factories were busy with the deployment of the production of other reactive machines ...

Let's try to figure out how fair this statement is, and for this we turn to the documents and consider two questions:

1. Did the USSR recreate the Me-262?

2. Is the Su-9 fighter a repetition of the Me-262?

1) In order to eliminate the significant backwardness of the Soviet Union in the field of jet aviation, which was outlined in the mid-1940s, a number of proposals were prepared and sent to the government by the leadership of the aviation industry and the Air Force of the Aircraft in late November 1945.

The Commander of the Air Force of the Air Force, Chief Marshal of Aviation AA Novikov, in his report to the Deputy Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR, Gennady Malenkov, noted that:

"... The works carried out by our designers on the design and construction of experimental aircraft with captured jet engines JUMO-004 and BMV-003, do not give grounds to expect the receipt in the near future of these aircraft.

GC NII Air Force SC conducted flight tests of the trophy plane Me-262 with two engines JUMO-004 ... The Me-262 is a finished serial aircraft: all its parts, units and devices worked satisfactorily during the tests.

The development of the Me-262 airplane with flying personnel of combat units, in the presence of a two-seater training aircraft of this type, does not present great difficulties.

With a view to the speedy development of jet aircraft in mass production, the preparation of the flight and technical composition of the Air Force units and the development of the elements for the combat use of these aircraft, I consider it necessary to launch the Me-262 into mass production in the combat single and double training and training versions.

I am submitting for your consideration the report of the GCII of the Air Force SC on testing the Me-262 airplane and the draft letter addressed to Comrade Stalin about the introduction of the Me-262 into mass production ... "The same opinion was shared by the Deputy People's Commissar of the aircraft industry, PV Dementiev , reporting to GM Malenkov that:

"... Manufacture of jet engines JUMO-004 is entrusted to the plant ╧ 26. Production of jet aircraft (Me-262) can be organized at the factories ╧381 in Moscow and ╧ 292 in Saratov.

The study of the design of the Me-262 airplane, the issuance of drawings and the adaptation of the aircraft to our armament and equipment were entrusted to the chief designer of Com. Mya-Sishev, who started this work.

The design and production of drawings for the jet engine JUMO-004 was assigned to the chief designer Comrade Klimov, who also started this work ...

Reporting on the need to produce a series of jet aircraft Me-262, I ask for your permission to manufacture these works ... ".

On the reaction of the "opponents" of these proposals, AS Yakovlev told May 25, 1988 in his conversation with the famous poet and publicist F.I. Chuyev. "... At the end of the war, I wrote a letter to Stalin that we do not want to deal with the issues of aviation development on our own, which forces us to copy the German jet Messerschmitt-262, and it is specifically proposed to organize the production of this aircraft in Saratov.

Stalin summoned us together with Shahurin and said to him: "Is this what you are proposing to put the Messerschmitt instead of the work that is currently being done to develop jet aviation?"

Shakhurin muttered something, and this decided his fate. And Comrade Stalin said: "To build the Messerschmitt means giving yourself up for a long time in advance, and we do not agree with this, and you are in vain to work in this direction."

Then he called me one: "Well, Shakhurin, apparently is not able to move this business." Let's get a new minister, whom are you recommending? " I said - Khrunichev. I knew him well. Then he was appointed minister instead of Shahurin. Officially Shahurin, the commander-in-chief of Novikov and the chief engineer of the Air Force Repin were removed and put in for supplying the Red Army with low-quality aircraft. But I think that Stalin's anger was also caused by our lag in jet aviation. "

Fulfilling the order of the NKAP of October 20, 1945, the design bureau of the plant ╧ 482, headed by the chief designer V.Myasishchev, began restoration of three copies of the Me-262 airplane. In the technical report of the plant ╧ 482 for 1945 it was noted: "... the first copy, the readiness for 1.1.46 is 100%." During November-December 1945, the design department carried out the semi-assembly and installation works of the entire aircraft control and equipment , and also drawings on repair of the aircraft have been issued.In the production, the restoration of the aircraft is completed on December 29, 1945. In costs against the estimated cost, the saving is 196 thousand rubles ... ".

In February 1946, a number of government decrees eliminated the design bureaus of VM Myasishchev, MI Gudkov, AS Moskalev, BI Cheranovsky and AY Shcherbakov, and work on the Me-262 aircraft was discontinued.

Plant ╧ 26 in 1946-50gg. produced 1911 engines RD-10 (Jumo-004).

2) With seemingly purely external similarity of Me-262 and Su-9 aircraft, they have a number of constructive and technological differences - see Table.

 

Design units, systems	Me-262	Su-9
Aerodynamic scheme	Low-level plan	Midplan
Fuselage:  section	Triangular	Oval
design	Consists  of 4 parts	One-piece
Cabin	Folding cylinder	Built-in
Presence of a catapulted chair	No	there is
Wing: shape in plan	Double (composite)  trapezoid	trapezoidal
mechanization	Slats,  flaps	Flaps,  brake flaps
Tail tail:
keel shape in plan	Triangular	Elliptical
S vertical, m 2	2.68	3.196
S goriz.pereniya, m 2	3.16	3.75
Chassis:
front support	Offset of the  aircraft axis to the right by 21mm	The axis of the aircraft
front wheels, size	Single Brake  660x160	Coupled brakes  500x150
kinematic scheme for cleaning the main landing gear	In the direction of the fuselage  with the rotation of the wheels  at 90╟	Towards the fuselage
main wheels, size	Single  Brake  840x300	Single,  brake  750x260
Brake system	Hydraulic	Pneumatic
Presence of brake parachute	No	there is
Aircraft Control System	Tough	Mixed
The presence of a booster system	No	there is
Equipment:
radio altimeter	No	Model RV-2
photo equipment	No	AFA-IM

 

The Su-9 aircraft were equipped with the following units, made according to German models:

• engines RD-10;

• differential pressure gauges;

• hydraulic pump;

• Combined aerial horizon with turn indicator;

• cassettes of signal rockets;

• modified catapulted chair.

Su-9 was not the only domestic aircraft that had an external resemblance to the Me-262.

In the spring of 1945, in the design bureau of Chief Designer SA Lavochkin, along with the project of a single-engine fighter "150", a project of a heavy fighter "160" with two turbojet engines Jumo-004 under the wing was launched. The initiator and leader of the latter was Deputy Chief Designer SM Alekseyev. For a number of reasons, work on the project soon ceased.

Governmental decree of May 31, 1946 was organized by a number of new design bureaus and among them OKB-21 chief designer SM Alekseyev, created on the basis of a serial aircraft plant ╧ 21 (Gorky). Before the elimination of OKB in June 1948. it was designed and built heavy single-seat fighter I-211 and I-215. The twin I-212 escort fighter remained unfinished. These aircraft had two engines, located on the wing.

In mid-1945, the design bureau of the chief designer AI Mikoyan designed the I-260 fighter. Its power plant consisted of two turbojets BMW-003, placed under the wing.

In the future, work on this project was canceled in favor of the I-300 fighter (MiG-9).

 

 

 

 

Cockpit:

 

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Internal Components:

 

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Unfortunately, this is the best I could find

 

 

 

 

 

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Specifications

 

 

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Sukhoi Su-11 (I) (LK) 1947

 

 

General Characteristics

 

 

Number built: 1

First flight: 28th of May, 1947

Role: Fighter

Status: Prototype, canceled

Crew: 1

Length: 10.57 m (35.8 ft)

Wingspan: 11.80 m (39.9 ft)

Wing area: 21.40 m² (230.35 ft²)

Height: 3.72 m (12.2 ft)

Empty weight: 4,495 kg (9,909.779 lbs)

Loaded weight: 6,350 kg (13,999 lbs)

Max. takeoff weight: 6,774 kg (14,934 lbs)

Powerplant: 2 x Lyulka TR-1 turbojet engines developing 1,300 kgf of thrust each (12.47 kN, 2,866 lbf) (2,600 kgf, 5,732 lbf, 25.49 kN in total)

 

Performance

 

Maximum speed: 940 km/h (584 mph, 507.559 knots) at 5,000 m (16,404 ft)

Cruise speed: 657 km/h (402 mph, 354.7 knots) at 5,000 m (16,404 ft) (?)

Rate of climb: 26.04 m/s (85.43 ft/s)

Time to 5,000 m (16,404 ft): 3.2 min

Service ceiling: 13,000 m (42,651 ft)

Range: 900 km (559 mi, 486 nmi)

Max. range: 1,250 km (776.7 mi, 675 nmi)

Wing loading:

• Empty weight: 210.046729 kg/m² (43.02 lb. ft²)
• Loaded weight: 296.728972 kg/m² (60.77 lb. ft²)
• Max. takeoff weight: 316.542056 kg/m² (64.83 lb. ft²)

Thrust/weight:

• Empty weight: 0.58
• Loaded weight: 0.41
• Max. takeoff weight: 0.38

 

Armament

 

Guns: 

• 1 x 37mm Nudelman N-37 cannon (40 rounds in total)
• 2 x 23mm Nudelman-Suranov NS-23 cannons (100 rpg, 200 rounds in total)

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• 1 x 45mm Nudelman-Suranov NS-45 cannon (28 rounds in total)
• 2 x 23mm Nudelman-Suranov NS-23 cannons (100 rpg, 200 rounds in total)

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Bombs:

• 2 x FAB-250 

OR

• 1 x FAB-500 (N-37 removed when suspension pods were installed)

 

 

 

 

Sources/References:

 

 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-9_(1946)

https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=928

http://www.aviastar.org/air/russia/su-9.php

http://en.valka.cz/topic/view/731/Suchoj-Su-9-1946

http://hobbyport.ru/avia/su_9.htm

Авиация и Космонавтика. Владимир Проклов. Су-9, Су-11 и советский Ме-262
Полигон. Николай Гордюков. Первые реактивные истребители Сухого
Авиация и Время. Николай Гордюков. Реактивные "сушки" - первая проба
Алексей Шукало. Су-27: в игре и в жизни. Реальные самолеты. Фронтовой истребитель Су-11 ("ЛК")
Крылья Родины. "Двойники" Су
Шавров В.Б. История конструкций самолетов в СССР 1938-1950 гг.

 

 

 

 

 

See more:

 

 

Sukhoi Su-9 (I) (K) (1946) - The Father Of Sukhoi Jets

Sukhoi Su-15 (I) (P) (1949) - Stalin's Ugly Jet Duckling Firing 3 x 37mm Vodka Cannons

Sukhoi Su-7A "Fitter-A" - The Beginning of Greatness

Edited July 21, 2019 by EpicBlitzkrieg87

[leroyonly 4,311]

Open for discussion. 

[Slipslime 660]

+1 A good plane to continue the Sukhoi line. I would put this in the Lavochkin line

[Admiral_Aruon 2,264]

so in other words when Sukhoi got tired of kitbashing the Me 262 and decided to kitbash the Meteor. that climb rate though, for a straight-wing fighter that isn't nearly as compact as something like the Yak-23, that is really good acceleration. and that it can switch out the N-37 for an NS-45 for more dank meme quickscopes adds some more one-shot capability against the B-29.

 

+1 for basically the soviet Venom FB.4, AKA the surly Meteor doppelganger.

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

On 3/15/2018 at 8:10 AM, Admiral_Aruon said:

so in other words when Sukhoi got tired of kitbashing the Me 262 and decided to kitbash the Meteor. that climb rate though, for a straight-wing fighter that isn't nearly as compact as something like the Yak-23, that is really good acceleration. and that it can switch out the N-37 for an NS-45 for more dank meme quickscopes adds some more one-shot capability against the B-29.

 

+1 for basically the soviet Venom FB.4, AKA the surly Meteor doppelganger.

I agree with the Meteor part but not the Venom one ^^

[Admiral_Aruon 2,264]

10 hours ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

I agree with the Meteor part but not the Venom one ^^

 

not enough russian bias:P

[CoMurey2 131]

I don't want to waste my life researching through a long tree to reach the Su-25...

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

3 hours ago, CoMurey2 said:

I don't want to waste my life researching through a long tree to reach the Su-25...

It's how things should be.

[Admiral_Aruon 2,264]

17 hours ago, CoMurey2 said:

I don't want to waste my life researching through a long tree to reach the Su-25...

 

you must new to F2P games. this is very much the standard.

[onemax9000 1,243]

they toke the me262 and made it better ? im in +1

[Milocat 4,857]

Another fun Sukhoi jet!  +1.  I'd love to see this one.

[Borotovas 4,500]

+1

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

To have tier 6 Sukhoi jets, I think we need this first  

[Wolf_89 2,525]

Hope we get to see this and Su-9 (I) (K) 1946 being added to the game.

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

On 20/07/2019 at 13:58, Wolf_89 said:

Hope we get to see this and Su-9 (I) (K) 1946 being added to the game.

 

A foundation for the Su-7 and the rest would be nice  

 

I edited the post in the specs tab with more accurate info 

[Solarmod 1,204]

262 look alikes are my jam. +1

[IcedVenom16 391]

Not necessary as there are other options and nobody wants a better Me-262 to be in the Soviet line-up.

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

On 02/11/2019 at 07:34, IcedVenom16 said:

Not necessary as there are other options and nobody wants a better Me-262 to be in the Soviet line-up.

 

Other options? Like what? 

 

And this isn't exactly an Me 262. It's just inspired by it.

 

[hom3er 154]

I all for a Me-262 that hit the gym

+1

[Chomusuke1 1,221]

On 14/03/2018 at 15:02, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

 A Refined Soviet Schwalbe......a bit of revising into the design

How is this thing refined if it is using a retrograde straight wing design as opposed to the swept wing used on the Schwalbe?

 

On 03/11/2019 at 14:10, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

And this isn't exactly an Me 262. It's just inspired by it.

Looks more like a low energy copy attempt of an He 280 minus the T-tail

 

Edited February 7, 2021 by Chomusuke1

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

14 hours ago, Chomusuke1 said:

How is this thing refined if it is using a retrograde straight wing design as opposed to the swept wing used on the Schwalbe?

 

 

Much better in performance 

[Chomusuke1 1,221]

11 hours ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

Much better in performance 

Barely despite a noticeable increase in engine thrust and wouldn't this suffer from compressibility as well?

 

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

4 hours ago, Chomusuke1 said:

Barely despite a noticeable increase in engine thrust and wouldn't this suffer from compressibility as well?

 

 

Have you read the specifications part? It was faster by 75 km/h and climbed better by 6 meters per second 

 

The set of guns are arguably better also; more muzzle velocity than the Mk 108s, and the 37mm or 45mm one shot in the game.

Edited February 8, 2021 by EpicBlitzkrieg87

[leroyonly 4,311]

As the Su-11 (1947) has been implemented with update 2.5 Ixwa Strike,

 

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