ground vehicles AMX-13 DCA Prototype

[WayOfTheWolk 1,573]

Introduction:

Taken from Tank Encyclopedia "The AMX-13 DCA was, therefore, the second SPAAG (Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft Gun) designed, but the first built in series in France. Development started in the early 1960s, around a new weapons system. The choice was made of the 30 mm Hispano Suiza HSS 831. The twin 30mm AA self propelled was a highly maneuverable armored vehicle for the defense low altitude troops defence within 1000 m. The AMX-13 DCA assumed forward air defense to French tank battalions, was introduced in 1969, produced to a small number (60) but maintained in service until the end of the cold war.":

 

Statistics:

Dimensions	4.9 (5.4 oa) x2.51 x3.80 m (xx’ xxx’ xxx’ ft)
Total weight, battle ready	17.2 tons (??? ibs)
Crew	3 (driver, cdr, gunner)
Propulsion	SOFAM 8Gxb 8-cyl. petrol 250 hp @3.200 rpm 14.5 hp/t
Suspension	Torsion Bars
Speed (road)	60 km/h (40 mph)
Range	300 km (for 480 fuel L)
Armament	2 x 30 mm HS-831A autocannons
Armor	8-20 mm steel RH

 

With the recent uptiering of the AMX-30 variant this could serve as a placeholder between the 40mm armed version and the former. It's mounted on the famous AMX-13 chassis but does not retain a tracking radar like its production variants. I believe this might solve the gap problem as it currently stands. I look forward to your input.

 

Sources:

http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/France/AMX-13-DCA/

http://weaponsystems.net/weaponsystem/EE03 - AMX-13 DCA.html

https://www.chars-francais.net/2015/index.php/engins-blindes/engins-divers?task=view&id=42

Senger und Etterlin, F.M. Das Kleine Panzerbuch. (pp. 37-38). Munchen. J. F. Lehmanns Verlag. 1964

 

 

 

Edited September 16, 2018 by Private_Wolk

[SAUBER_KH7 3,326]

Open for Discussion.

[dotEXCEL 5,969]

+1

[Croatian_Sensation 46]

Would be a nice addition to 7.0 - 7.3 seeing as the AMX-30 DCA is 8.0 now

+1

[FaafVonFasslich 218]

the performance is comparable to the Falcon which sits at 7.7. Since we already have the AMX 30 DCA at 0.3 higher I don´t really see a need for this.

[EASYOKO 394]

21 minutes ago, FaafVonFasslich said:

o desempenho é comparável ao Falcon, que fica em 7,7. Como já temos o AMX 30 DCA a 0,3 maior, eu realmente não vejo necessidade disso.

 

Coelian and Kugelblitz have BR 0.3 difference.
This new SPAA can enter into BR 7.0

[Trotrodor 2,670]

+1

[Alphanoodle 526]

iirc the AMX-13 DCA prototype was the AMX-13 DCA 40 which then had it's armament changed to the twin 30mm cannons and went into serial production.

The prototype in your image here was just the prototype of the 30mm DCA so basically the exact same vehicle I already suggested.

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[WayOfTheWolk 1,573]

10 minutes ago, Alphanoodle said:

iirc the AMX-13 DCA prototype was the AMX-13 DCA 40 which then had it's armament changed to the twin 30mm cannons and went into serial production.

The prototype in your image here was just the prototype of the 30mm DCA so basically the exact same vehicle I already suggested.

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Not necessarily, the prototype lacked any fire control system and was not equipped with radar. I believe there are also some small aesthetic changes to the vehicle that are not present in the production version. Right now there's a big gap in the French SPAA lineup, the prototype could bridge some of those concerns.

Edited April 16, 2018 by Private_Wolk

[Alphanoodle 526]

6 minutes ago, Private_Wolk said:

Not necessarily, the prototype lacked any fire control system and was not equipped with radar. I believe there are also some small aesthetic changes to the vehicle that are not present in the production version. Right now there's a big gap in the French SPAA lineup, the prototype could bridge some of those concerns.

My bad, totally forgot about the radar.

[guntar 11]

AMX 13 DCA serve in french army with a radar Oeil Noir (black eye) => tier 5 SPAAG 

A better version is the AMX 30 SA with a better radar "oeil vert" (Green Eye)  (sold to saudi arabia) the replca of german Gepard => Tier VI SPAAG

Same turret for the 2 vehicules (SAMM S401A)

[Jan_Gustl_WT 1,746]

+1

[Daddo2 328]

+1

A perfect counterpart to the British Falcon for the regular French tree

[XDrake991 278]

+1

[Milocat 4,857]

+1 for the French Falcon.

[Admiral_Tersley 9]

Absolutely needed, (it did come with a radar) but we can toss that off and use the Amx 13 DCA Prototype xaxaxxaa 

 

 

+1

 

[Kasukaru 2,164]

I could see this supporting the AMX30B (and hopefully the ERC Sagaie) at 7.3. This would complete the line-up at that BR making it one of the 3 "sweet spots" for the French: 4.7 BR, 6.7 BR and 7.3 BR.

[Ragalok 1,017]

It would make a great 7.0 AA, fitting a gap in the french AA line.

[Blaze57530 37]

Some nations have a  lack of SPAA. A lot of these vehicles are good candidates to fill the blanks. This vehicle would be a very nice addition.

 

+1

[Jo_cavalier 13]

+1 for the french falcon 

[Wolf_89 2,525]

Yes pls. FR could really use it. They need a SPAA between the AMX-13 DCA 40 and AMX-30 DCA.

[Valcour 1,141]

1 hour ago, Wolf_89 said:

Yes pls. FR could really use it. They need a SPAA between the AMX-13 DCA 40 and AMX-30 DCA.

^^This^^

 

+1 from me too.

 

[No_Camping 1,804]

Sorry but why proposing the prototype?
This SPAA actually entered service.

I guess proposing the prototype allows to have an SPAA without radar, and hence at a lower BR... But still...

Edited September 14, 2019 by No_Camping

[WayOfTheWolk 1,573]

44 minutes ago, No_Camping said:

Sorry but why proposing the prototype?
This SPAA actually entered service.

I guess proposing the prototype allows to have an SPAA without radar, and hence at a lower BR... But still...

Personally I find it redundant to add the production AMX-13 DCA when we already have the AMX-30 DCA which uses the same turret and radar array. I'd rather have something that can be put at a lower BR and fill a gap rather than be saddled with more Rank V material. That said if it were ever to be implemented I wouldn't have a problem with it. 

[Cedjoe 5,482]

I guess we could get the production variant foldered with the 30 DCA as it was actually used by the French Army, and still get the prototype to fill the gap between the 13 DCA 40 and the 30 DCA.