French P-47D Thunderbolt Suggestion

[USArmyLTC 289]

Hello all,

 

I am suggesting the French Aircraft Tree receive the P-47D Thunderbolt and best to get it in the Premium tree just like the German and Soviet P-47D  Premium tress already have in the game.

The French really needs some more Premium Aircraft added to it's tree.  Then it supports the French use of the P-47 during and after WW2.

If the French P-47D is not already in the works to put it into the game, I suggest the French P-47D be put into a poll to see if the players want the French P-47D added to the French Aircraft tree.

 

Here is some background on the French P-47D Thunderbolts, some related sources and pictures of French P-47s.

 

In March of 1944, the USAAF began providing Hurricane-equipped units of the Free French air force based in North Africa with P-47Ds. By may of 1944 the 4eme Escdre de Chasse was established in Corsica with two Groupes de Chasse. A third Groupe de Chasse was added soon thereafter. These units subsequently moved to southern France and participated in support of US and French units all the way into Germany. A second Escadre was formed late in 1944 and went into action In the last months of the war.

 

446 Thunderbolts were delivered to the Free French air force based in North Africa. They equipped the following units:

• Groupe de Chasse II/6 Travail
• Groupe de Chasse II/5 Lafayette,
• Groupe de Chasse II/3 Dauphine,
• Groupe de Chasse I/4 Navarre
• Groupe de Chasse I/5 Champagne
• Groupe de Chasse III/3 Ardennes
• Groupe de Chasse II/6 Roussillon.

 

The Groupes de Chasse all bore the name of a French colony or province.

France use of the Thunderbolt continued on for several years after the end of the war in Europe. GC II/3 and GC II/5 were redesignated GC I/4 and GC II/4 in July of 1947. They remained as part of the occupation forces in Germany until late 1949. Also in July of 1947 GC I/4 and GC I/5 were redesignated as GC I/3 and GC II/3.

 

The personnel of the 3eme Escadre were sent to Indo-China in support of the suppression of the Viet Minh insurrection, but their planes remained in Europe and they flew other aircraft. When the personnel returned to France late in 1948, they again operated P-47s until 1950, when the P-47s were replaced in service by De Havilland Vampire jets.

Other French post-war units flying the P-47 included:

• Groupe de Chasse I/1 Provence
• Groupe de Chasse II/1 Nice
• Groupe de Chasse I/2 Cigones
• Groupe de Chasse IIII/2 Alsace
• Groupe de Chasse I/8 Mahgreb
• Groupe de Chasse II/8 Languedoc
• Groupe de Chasse I/6 Corse
• Groupe de Chasse II/6 Normandie-Niemen
• Groupe de Chasse I/21 Artois

 

Many of these French Thunderbolts were then transferred to Algeria, where they were used against the nationalist forces during the Algerian civil war. GC I/10, GC II/10, and GC III/10 were established from reserve training units in 1951. The first two were redesignated Escadron d'Entrainement a la Chasse (EEC) II/17 and Groupe d'Entrainement a la Chasse (GEC) II/17 in 1954. EEC I/7 was formed in the same year. In 1956, these operational training units were formed into the 20-eme Escradre for combat operations in Algeria. GC I/20 Ayres-Nementcha operated P-47s into mid 1950 but GC II/20 Ouarsenis operated P-47s as late as 1960. They were finally phased out of service during 1960, at about the same time that the French pulled out of Algeria.

 

Below are some French P-47D references:

 

http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_fighters/p47_19.html

https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/republic-p-47-thunderbolt-in-french-service.42246/

https://www.argunners.com/p-47-thunderbolt-of-the-free-french-air-force-to-be-recovered/

https://www.casematepublishers.com/p-47-thunderbolt-francais.html#.WyO57DW0WUk

https://www.worldwarphotos.info/gallery/usa/aircrafts-2-3/p47/french-p-47-thunderbolt-42-25830-of-groupe-de-chasse-ii-5/

http://airvectors.net/avp47.html

http://aircraft-in-focus.com/republic-p-47-thunderbolt/

 

Below are three pictures of French P-47s and one good color side view of the French P-47D camouflage/skin.

 

USArmyLTC

 

 

 

 

 

 

[leroyonly 4,311]

Open for discussion. 

[sh4d0w 1,693]

+1. 

 

U should add a poll !

[SeventhRank 17]

Yes, I just watched tonight the P47 movie that was done by the U.S. and it took place over southern Italy and they mentioned two French esquadrilles flying the "same plane." The p47 should be placed in the French tree. What is taking so long?

[Milocat 4,857]

9 hours ago, SeventhRank said:

Yes, I just watched tonight the P47 movie that was done by the U.S. and it took place over southern Italy and they mentioned two French esquadrilles flying the "same plane." The p47 should be placed in the French tree. What is taking so long?

 

The P-47 is a divisive plane in the community because it's been undertiered so long in the U.S. tree that it's known for being spammed.  Flying them is generally considered poor sportsmanship unless you uptier yourself.  The captured German P-47 is also a very popular premium plane that's also undertiered that gets double the hate for being an undertiered P-47 AND a captured plane.  

 

It isn't just the French tree.  There's a suggestion or two for British P-47s flying about that got rather violent "NO!" reactions from people who don't want more P-47s in the game.  Even my suggestion for some razorback P-47D models got some people upset with me for suggesting more P-47s (wasn't my best suggestion ever, I'll admit).  Despite the fact that I've said numerous times that the existing P-47Ds and other undertiered U.S. planes need to be moved up.  

 

Honestly, since the British received ~1,000 P-47s and the French ~400, they definitely deserve to have some.  But in the game we don't have P-47s for those nations and do have them for the Germans (two captured) and the Soviets (received ~200).  Because logic.  

 

I'm a big fan of making all lend-leased planes available to the countries that used them, so I think this is a great idea myself.  But I hope that answers your question.  

Edited October 15, 2018 by Milocat

[Z3r0_ 4,128]

If the P-47s still had their airspawns, this would be an immediate "no" from me, but as things are now, I guess there's no real harm in giving them a P-47.

[Solarmod 1,204]

More thunderbolts, more fun. +1 from me.

[Functor 230]

Yes, for a standard or a premium bolt. Rank 3 is americanised anyway.

[Solarmod 1,204]

 

16 hours ago, Functor said:

Yes, for a standard or a premium bolt. Rank 3 is americanised anyway.

At this rate the P-47 will become the sherman of the skies 

Edited September 22, 2019 by Solarmod
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[Jo_cavalier 13]

+1 

[Soldier_676_@psn 95]

+1 , since there is no poll.

[Zombificus 793]

I hate the P-47s in War Thunder with a passion, but I support this suggestion anyway. The genie is already out of the bottle, we can't put it back in. Might as well give France and Britain their Lend-Leased P-47s, which are, after all, historically significant planes for those nations, and in the process even the odds a little. Fight fire with fire, Thunderbolt with Thunderbolt. Besides, if there are even more of them flying about, it might finally push the issue of them being undertiered far enough that something gets done, at which point it's a win-win for everyone. So while I'm sick to death of these things right now, bring on the French P-47 and bring on a BR change. Good suggestion, +1 from me.

[Jo_cavalier 13]

Yes for this  P47

Edited October 21, 2019 by Jo_cavalier

[Atomeur 529]

It is a NO for me.

[Kasukaru 2,164]

Like most people, I'm divided on this. I agree that the Germans should never have received that one. And if the Soviets have it, the French and Brits should indeed have it as well. +1 (reluctantly and only if all of them go up in BR, as they should).

[Borotovas 4,500]

+1

 

https://live.warthunder.com/post/868209/en/

[Atomeur 529]

Is he in the american tech tree ?

Edited December 30, 2019 by Atomeur

[Nicolaser 2,024]

On 30/12/2019 at 12:02, Atomeur said:

Is he in the american tech tree ?

Yes in game there's the d25, the d28 and the 27(Russian)

[Atomeur 529]

Can this version bring something usefull for the game ? Because I prefer adding some other aircrafts who aren't in the game yet.

[DoxerWhite@psn 82]

I instinctively wrote -1 but the truth is that I still have conflicted opinion about this suggestion.

Edited June 10, 2020 by *DoxerWhite

[ThedepthPunisher 194]

I love the P47 so why not! It could be nice as an addition for the French even if there are already quite a few P47 

 

[Borotovas 4,500]

+1

[IGLA_HUN 104]

How about no? We've got more than enough P-47's in the game already, and the French tree already looks like a miniature US tree, plus they don't need another BnZ plane in the vicinity of 4.0. They have enough. If the snail really wants to add another foreign aircraft to the French tree, then they should add a Spitfire, or an Airacobra.

[Kasukaru 2,164]

^ ^ while you're not wrong, it was actuall intensively used in combat by the French and it's such an OP plane that it's a bit unfair that only the Germans and Russian have it (despite the Germans pretty much never using these in combat).

[IGLA_HUN 104]

1 hour ago, Kasukaru said:

^ ^ while you're not wrong, it was actuall intensively used in combat by the French and it's such an OP plane that it's a bit unfair that only the Germans and Russian have it (despite the Germans pretty much never using these in combat).

It should be nerfed and/or given a BR increase (latter is not a good solution, since it's BR was recently increased), that's the solution of the problem, not the addition of another P-47. Or alternatively, if we already have a Hitlerbolt and a Stalinbolt, then we should have  a Mussolinibolt , a Churchillbolt and a Tojobolt, not just a DeGaullebolt. The Tojobolt would be a good money grab for the snail. Wallet warriors would rush to buy it.

Edited June 11, 2020 by IGLA_HUN