tanks/vehicles T-90A: The Armored Predator

[WulfPack 1,693]

In 2004, the Russian Army ordered an additional 14 T-90s, a hopelessly outdated tank. This consider questionable since 5 years earlier India tested the improved T-90S and ordered them in 2003. Using the T-90S as a basis, UZV improved it by:

• Increasing the armor on the front of the turret roof by 20-mm
• Mounting the new 2A46M-5

This improved gun had an accuracy increase by 15-20% and a total dispersion reduced by 1.7 times.

• The FCS 1A42 with the sighting complex 1G45, commander’s sighting system TO1-KO4, ballistic computer 1B528-1

The 1A42 carried over the stabilizer from its predecessor. Allowing for the the same high speed traverse rate of 40 Degs/S. The 1B528-1 automatically performed the calculations for elevation and horizontal lead for moving targets. The EME automatically fed information in the ballistic computer allowing for more accurate targeting. Allowing for accurate shooting regardless of the weather.  Commander’s sighting TO1 allowed for accurate control of the 12.7 and duplicate control of the main gun. Included in the complex, is the PK-5 day and night periscope which is stabilized on both planes. The day channel provides zoom up to 8X and the the night up to 5X. While in passive mode, the night sight is effective out to 1000m and when in active mode, it’s effective out to 5000m. For using the 12.7 against aircraft, the commander has the PZU-7. Additionally, there was the “Buran-M” 2nd generation thermal sight. This allowed for the identification of a 2.3x2.3 m sized target at night. This too was stabilized on both planes and both the gunner and commander were shown the feed. In 2006 or 2008 these were replaced with the Belarusian “ESSA” single channel thermal sight.

• Environmental monitoring equipment
• Shtora-1 may have been replaced with Shtora-1M but I can’t find the difference 

And of course two major upgrades being carried over:

• A “new” welded turret

This was a modified turret that was used on Object 187 Versions 3 & 4. The most prominent changes was that the rear was made smaller and more “pointed” and the main composite array was more angled back. The new ERA was replaced with the older Kontakt-5.

• The V-92S2 1000HP diesel engine  

While not increasing the top speed to any major degree, the new engine did improve the hp/t ratio from 18 to 21.5 and likely as a result the acceleration on both on and off roads.
Despite all of these upgrades, two major flaws were not fixed:

• Kontakt-5 was retained

Kontakt-5 was rendered “penetrable” when the US M829A2 entered service in 1994, full 10 years before the upgraded T-90 was even beginning development. Even in Russia, there was better ERA. A new ERA was tested on Object 187 Versions 4, 5, & 6, in 1990 and there was the well known 4S23 “Relikt” that was shown on Object 199 “Ramka” in 1999. 

• The same transmission was retained 

This meant it still has the extremely poor reverse speed of -4kmh. Meaning a T-90A most likely would be unable to fall back into cover, should it bite off more than it can chew.
All things considered, this is generally regarded as a respectable modernization of the T-90. In 2005, Object 188A1 was accepted into service as T-90A. On May 13, 1999, at 4:30PM, Vladimir Ivanovich Potkin would pass away. In a way of honoring him, the T-90 series would be nicknamed 'Vladimir'.

 

The original T-90S that was tested by India:

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Shtora-1(M) Stuff

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An explanation that I didn't write and that is subject to change if I can find information about 1M

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Shtora-1 is an electro-optical jammer that jams the enemy’s semiautomatic command to line of sight (SACLOS) antitank guided missiles, laser rangefinders and target designators. It is most effective when used in tandem with a hard kill system such as the Arena.

The Shtora-1 system comprises four key components, the electro-optical interface station, which includes a jammer, modulator, and control panel; a bank of forward-firing grenade dischargers mounted on either side of the turret that are capable of firing grenades dispensing an aerosol screen; a laser warning system with precision and coarse heads; and a control system comprising control panel, microprocessor, and manual screen-laying panel. This processes the information from the sensors and activates the aerosol screen-laying system. Shtora-1 has a field of view of 360-degrees horizontally and -5 to +25-degrees in elevation. It contains 12 aerosol screen launchers and weighs 400kg. The screening aerosol takes less than 3 seconds to form and lasts about 20 seconds. The screen laying range is between 50-70 meters. The system is activated when the laser warning system detects the threat laser system. The tank commander (TC) presses a button that automatically orients the turret in the direction of the threat. It then triggers the grenade launchers. The aerosol screen is effective over a frequency band of 0.4-14 Em. The composition of this cloud is claimed to screen the tank against laser rangefinders and designators and is also claimed to be sufficiently hot to seduce IR homing weapons away from the MBT. The electro-optical jammers, designated TShU17, introduce a spurious signal over the 0.7-2.5 Em band, into the guidance circuitry of the incoming ATGM through the use of a coded pulsed IR jamming signal. The jammers provide coverage over 20 degrees in azimuth on each side of the main armament and through 4 degrees of elevation, and is effective within 2 seconds of target identification. It is claimed to be effective against Western ATGMs such as TOW, HOT, MILAN and Dragon, as well as Eastern Bloc ATGMs such as the AT-3. The TShU1-7 has a specified life of 1,000 hours, a mean time between failures (MTBF) of 250 hours, and a radiation source of 50 hours. Shtora-1 has four methods of operation: fully automatic, semiautomatic/target designation, and manual and emergency mode. According to the manufacturer, the system reduces the hit probability by the following factors: TOW and Dragon, Maverick, Hellfire, and Copperhead laser seeker systems by a factor of 4-5:1; MILAN and HOT by 3:1; Artillery and tank projectiles fired from systems with laser rangefinders by 3:1.14 There is no reference to success against the Russian AT-4 and AT-5 or cannon-launched laser beam riders like the AT-10 and AT-11.

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Ignoring the minor differences between A and SA:

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Designation:-
T-90A Main Battle Tank 
Dimensions:-
Length: 22.6 feet
Length with gun forward: 31.7 feet
Height: 7.3 feet
Width: 12.5 feet
Ground Clearance: 1.4 feet
Crew: 3 (Driver, Gunner, Commander)
Weight: 46.5 tons
Protection Estimates:-
Turret:-

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Kontakt-5 Layout:-

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Outer Cheeks:-

800 - 830-MM vs KE

(War Thunder: 800

BTVT: 800

RIA Novosti: 800-830)
Kontakt-5 adds about 150 - 200-MM
1000 - 1350- MM vs CE

(War Thunder: 1100

BTVT: 1000

RIA Novosti: 1150-1350)
Kontakt-5 adds about 600-MM
Mantle:-
350-MM of Steel
Upper Frontal Plate:-

Kontakt-5 layout:

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500 - 550-MM vs KE

(War Thunder: 600 vs KE)
Kontakt-5 adds about 150 - 200-MM
600 - 700-MM vs CE

(War Thunder: 900 vs CE)
Kontakt-5 adds about 600-MM
Lower Frontal Plate:-
80-MM of Steel
Upper Side Plate:-
80-MM of Steel
Lower Side Plate:-
20-MM of Steel
The front portion of the side is protected with Kontakt-5

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Mobility:-
Engine: V-92S2 Diesel Engine outputting 1000 Horsepower

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Top speed: 40 mph/65 km/h (7 Forward Gears)
Top speed in reverse: 2.8 mph/4 km/h(1 Reverse Gear)
Firepower:-
125-MM 2A46M-5

Munitions:-
3BM-60 ‘Lead-2’ APFSDS

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Penetration: 650 - 700?-MM at 2K when hitting at an angle of 90/Degs
Muzzle Velocity: 1650 MPS/5413 FPS
3BK-31 “Start-2” Triple Charge HEAT-FS

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Penetration: 800-MM when hitting at an angle of 90/Degs
Muzzle Velocity: 905 MPS/2972 FPS
9M-119M1 ‘Invar’ ATGM
Penetration: 900-MM
With ERA: 850-MM
Guidance System: SACLOS Laser
Average Muzzle Velocity: 400 MPS/1312 FPS
Maximum Muzzle Velocity: 800 MPS/2624 FPS
Range 75-5000 M
Rate of fire for the same type of ammunition: 9 RPM

Un-aimed rate of fire for the same type of ammunition:  About 12 RPM

Rate of fire for ATGMs: 7.5 RPM

Ammunition load: 41 in total with 22 in the automatic loader and 19 additional rounds stowed in the tank
7.62-MM PKTM
Ammunition load: 8 250 round boxes totaling 2000 rounds
Maximum gun angles: -6/+14
Horizontal turret traverse rate: 40 Degs/S
Gun elevation rate: 3.5 Degs/S
12.7-MM 6P49 KORD
Maximum gun angles: -15/+85
Ammunition load: 300 rounds in total
The HMG is Stabilized on both planes
 

Sources:-

http://otvaga2004.ru/tanki/istoriya-sozdaniya/t-90-chast-3/

http://otvaga2004.ru/tanki/istoriya-sozdaniya/t-90-chast-4/

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Т-90

http://btvt.narod.ru/4/t-90a/t-90A.htm

https://ria.ru/infografika/20100912/274278915.html

Most of the pictures: https://www.vitalykuzmin.net 

Shtora-1 Info: Armor Active Protection Systems May-June 1998

 

Edited July 8, 2019 by WulfPack

[SAUBER_KH7 3,325]

Open for Discussion.

[DreamADream4Me 2,838]

Sexy beast, but honestly the reverse speed kills it for me. WT doesn't follow RL where T-90A is an excellent tank, in WT it would probably be mediocre if not simply just bad. As it is right now, I'm hedging all my bets on fast, mobile tanks; like T-80 and Sprut.

[WulfPack 1,693]

11 minutes ago, jackTIGR said:

 where T-90A is an excellent tank, 

I wouldn't go that far, as it lags behind the Leopard 2A6 and M1A2 SepV2. It's a fine tank, don't get me wrong.

15 minutes ago, jackTIGR said:

like T-80 and Sprut.

I wouldn't count the T-90s out just yet. T-90M might be doing 30kmh in reverse and have actual armor. 

[_VANDERSON_ 34]

 

sim eu concordo se vir o t90 e o leopardo 2a6, abrams m1a1, Ariete

 

 

[KontaKT 1,824]

11 hours ago, jackTIGR said:

Sexy beast, but honestly the reverse speed kills it for me. WT doesn't follow RL where T-90A is an excellent tank, in WT it would probably be mediocre if not simply just bad. As it is right now, I'm hedging all my bets on fast, mobile tanks; like T-80 and Sprut.

 

Problem with historical accuracy ?

 

About that suggestion, T-90A shouldn't be introduced that early in the game. It would lack fair opponents. Maybe in the future.

[CaID 8,988]

i am supporting this tank.

 

but after the introduction of the T-72, T-80 and also the Abram M1 with the improved armor or the one with the 120mm, just to raise the standard a bit before adding it.

[lowbudgetman 241]

On 21/06/2018 at 08:38, WulfPack said:

Top speed: 40 mph/65 km/h (7 Forward Gears)
Top speed in reverse: 2.8 mph/4 km/h(1 Reverse Gear)

f|_|ck my life.

On 24/06/2018 at 01:51, PanzerCell said:

T-90A shouldn't be introduced that early in the game. It would lack fair opponents. Maybe in the future.

yeah let's give more time to the leo 2k/2a4 players. they're not quite done clubbing everyone lol

[CaID 8,988]

3 minutes ago, lowbudgetman said:

yeah let's give more time to the leo 2k/2a4 players. they're not quite done clubbing everyone lol

the Russian do not have much to face  the 2A4 right now. but i hope to see it change with the introduction of a T-72 or T-80 MBT. keep in mid the T-64 was a tank from the end of 50s and early 60s while the Leo 2A4 was from the mid 80s

 

they aren't really in the same time. there is about 20 to 25years difference between them, it's normal they aren't totally equal in the battle field. but we got to admit that the T-64 was really advance for his time.

[KontaKT 1,824]

3 hours ago, lowbudgetman said:

f|_|ck my life.

yeah let's give more time to the leo 2k/2a4 players. they're not quite done clubbing everyone lol

 

If you think a T-90A is worth a Leopard 2A4 then you understood nothing. That's even more since FCS aren't modeled in the game wich are a great advantage of NATO tanks over Russian ones.

Keep learning how to play the T-64B, it is still a (very) good tank.

[Jocky_Strappers 1,230]

The presence of a t90 with kontak 5 era would demand the presence of the M1A1 at very least with its M829(A1) available for research. While the Abrams silver bullets before the A2 couldn't go through the kontak 5 it is for balance because you can just shoot again anyway as the era protection is destroyed in blocking the first round.

 

It is too soon for the t90 especially with the countermeasures like the dazzlers to stop guided munitions. Hell even the M1IP wouldn't be enough to ask for a t90 yet.

[kamikazi21358 998]

Way too early for post Cold War, maybe, just maybe though I might support the T-72BU (proto-T-90 before it was renamed), but that is questionable.

[WulfPack 1,693]

2 minutes ago, kamikazi21358 said:

Way too early for post Cold War, maybe, just maybe though I might support the T-72BU (proto-T-90 before it was renamed), but that is questionable.

No difference between them. Just a name change. T-72BM-> T-72BU -> T-90

Edited July 9, 2018 by WulfPack

[kamikazi21358 998]

21 minutes ago, WulfPack said:

No difference between them. Just a name change. T-72BM-> T-72BU -> T-90

Yes, but then that would give an excuse to add a T-90 while still remaining Cold War, since the T-90 is post Cold War.  I don’t think they will go post Cold War anytime soon.

 

Adding a T-90A under the T-72BU designation will give us a T-90 without breaking the end of the Cold War barrier, which I don’t think WT is ready for any time soon.

Edited July 9, 2018 by kamikazi21358

[WulfPack 1,693]

Just now, kamikazi21358 said:

Yes, but then that would give an excuse to add a T-90 while still remaining Cold War, since the T-90 is post Cold War.  I don’t think they will go post Cold War anytime soon.

Add that and you might aswell skip the T-90. The only way to different them, that I could think of, is a different APFSDS.

[neophoca_cinerea 7]

9 hours ago, WulfPack said:

Add that and you might aswell skip the T-90. The only way to different them, that I could think of, is a different APFSDS.

What about adding T-90 in the T-72BU slot, just like a T-54-47/49/51?

[WulfPack 1,693]

16 minutes ago, neophoca_cinerea said:

What about adding T-90 in the T-72BU slot, just like a T-54-47/49/51?

Like putting the T-90 in the T-72 line?

[neophoca_cinerea 7]

2 hours ago, WulfPack said:

Like putting the T-90 in the T-72 line?

Yup - T-90 is, basically, just advanced T-72, so T-90 might be added right after T-72B ant T-90A will be placed in the other line as a different tank.
|T-72B|
   ||
  \ /
T-90
/*no connection*/
T-90A

[WulfPack 1,693]

24 minutes ago, neophoca_cinerea said:

Yup - T-90 is, basically, just advanced T-72, so T-90 might be added right after T-72B ant T-90A will be placed in the other line as a different tank.
|T-72B|
   ||
  \ /
T-90
/*no connection*/
T-90A

I'd say

T-72B Mod 1989 -> T-90 -> T-90A

And the T-72 line going on after the Mod 1989 with the B3 and B3 Mod 2016.

[neophoca_cinerea 7]

Just now, WulfPack said:

And the T-72 line going on after the Mod 1989 with the B3 and B3 Mod 2016.

What do you mean?

Like this one?
T-72B '89 -> T-72B3 -> T-72B3 '16
    \/
T-90 -> T-90A -> /*something*/

[WulfPack 1,693]

10 minutes ago, neophoca_cinerea said:

What do you mean?

Like this one?
T-72B '89 -> T-72B3 -> T-72B3 '16
    \/
T-90 -> T-90A -> /*something*/

Yes. With that something being T-90M

[neophoca_cinerea 7]

Just now, WulfPack said:

With that something being T-90M

Is there enough info about his armor (+- 50-60mm)? As far as I know, his combined armor plating was changed somehow.

[WulfPack 1,693]

25 minutes ago, neophoca_cinerea said:

Is there enough info about his armor (+- 50-60mm)? As far as I know, his combined armor plating was changed somehow.

If the base armor wasn't changed, then Relikt would be the problem. If it was, lol good luck

[neophoca_cinerea 7]

Just now, WulfPack said:

If the base armor wasn't changed, then Relikt would be the problem. If it was, lol good luck

That's what I'm talking about.

[kamikazi21358 998]

What I imagine the top tier list for Soviet MBTs based on development and usaged, I would guess:

 

Current T-64 line:  (1960s T-64 variants and early T-64 variant I believe had a 115mm gun would be cool) > T-64As > T-64Bs > T-80As (and I think it would make since to have the T-80Bs in a folder, because actually the T-80A was better; that or just do T-80B > T-80A) > T-80U (> and T-80UM, but I am unsure of year, if post Cold War maybe not unless they do go full post Cold War.)

 

T-55/62 line: (TBH I think it would be more sense to have T-54s > T-55 > T-62, and have the T-62M-1 in a folder under the T-62, but that’s just me) > T-72 Ural > T-72As > T-72Bs > (and if they add them, no offense but I don’t want them to for a very long time, the T-90 is a development of the T-72 so) T-90A.