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[super_cacti 1,071]

Heyoo, time for another tank series! 

Let's talk about my most favorite tanks! The TOG tanks!!!

 

Turretless External Track Machine

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This new TOG design is detailed in 'Future Plans' as having a new, turretless design to meet the new specifications, with two sponsons, one anti-tank anti-pillbox gun later recorded as 2 pounder (40mm) guns in each sponson providing "practically all round fire" (as each had 180 degrees of traverse and a 75mm gun mounted in the front, suspended in accordance with naval construction practice.

What we got here is a WW1 style tank, just a whole lot bigger and stronger. It's sponsons are extremely wide but offer a unique 180 degree fire arc. And the same gun taken from the French Char B1 to take care of pillboxes and such. A truely unique vehicle indeed.

 

Weapons:

Hull

1 x 75 mm ABS SA 35 howitzer in the front hull.

 

Sides (On each side)

1 x 40 mm QF 2-pounder cannon in a 180 degree turning sponson.

1 x 7.92 mm Besa machine gun coaxially with the 2-pounders.

 

Armour:

Unclear, most likely very similar to the TOG-1

 

Top speed:

Unclear, most likely very similar to the TOG-1

 

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TOG-1

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TOG-1

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I think we have all heard of the TOG-1 before right? The TOG-1 and the 'Turretless External Track Machine' share a lot in common actualy, that mainly being the hull. In the early stage of the TOG-1 the large 2 pounder (40mm) side sponsons where still being considerd. Making it's total armament three 2 pounder (40mm) guns (two on the sides in the large sponsons and one in the turret) and one 75mm cannon in the front hull!

But the sponsons where soon replaced by more smaller besa machinegun sponsons as shown in the drawing below.

 

Weapons:

Turret (A.12 type turret)

1 x 40 mm QF 2-pounder cannon.

1 x 7.92 mm coaxial Besa machine gun.

 

Hull

1 x 75 mm ABS SA 35 howitzer.

 

Sides (On each side)

1 x 40 mm QF 2-pounder cannon in a 180 degree turning sponson.

1 x 7.92 mm Besa machine gun coaxially with the 2-pounders.

or

2 x 7.92 mm Besa machine guns in sponsons.

 

Armour:

Up to 65mm.

 

Top speed:

Offroad: 6.75 mph (10.86 km/h)

Road: 8 mph (12.87 km/h)

 

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There is also a drawing of the TOG-1 with a Char B1 turret on top, pretty interesting looking if you ask me.

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TOG-1A

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The TOG-1 was later slightly improved with a new hydraulic transmission and there where also orders for some extra plates and new air systems and such. Pretty much everything the TOG-1 did wrong, was trying to be fixed with the TOG-1A. But remember, The TOG-1 and 1A are the same tank. The TOG-1 that was build, was later modified to the TOG-1A.

The tank itself looks identical to the TOG-1.

 

Weapons:

Turret (A.12 type turret)

1 x 40 mm QF 2-pounder cannon.

1 x 7.92 mm coaxial Besa machine gun.

 

Hull

1 x 75 mm ABS SA 35 howitzer.

 

Sides (On each side)

1 x 40 mm QF 2-pounder cannon in a 180 degree turning sponson.

1 x 7.92 mm Besa machine gun coaxially with the 2-pounders.

or

2 x 7.92 mm Besa machine guns in sponsons.

 

Armour:

Up to 65mm.

 

Top speed:

Offroad: 6.75 mph (10.86 km/h)

Road: 8 mph (12.87 km/h)

 

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TOG-2

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TOG-2 wooden mockup

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These are the original TOG-2 designs. Here the TOG-2 was still very much a WW1 tank with sponsons and hull mounted cannons.

If you look at the TOG-2* nowadays, you will see two holes in the front hull, and the large side doors. Both these things are leftovers from this early stage of the TOG-2 where they wanted to make it a big WW1 tank.

 

Two different turrets have been seen strictly on the wooden mockup. These are the 'Option 1' and 'Option 2' turret.

 

Wooden mockup with the 'Option 1' turret

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Weapons:

Turret (A.22 type turret)

1 x 40 mm QF 2-pounder cannon.

1 x 76.2mm Ordnance QF 3-inch howitzer.

1 x 7.92 mm coaxial Besa machine gun.

 

Hull

1 x 76.2mm Ordnance QF 3-inch howitzer.

 

Sides (On each side)

2 x 7.92 mm Besa machine guns in sponsons.

 

Armour:

Turret (A.22 type turret)

3.5" front (88.9 mm)

3" to 3.5" sides & rear (76.2 to 88.9 mm)

 

Hull (Not 100% clear)

3" front (76.2 mm)

2" sides (50.8 mm)

0,75" rear (19.05 mm)

1" to 2" engine deck (25.4 to 50.8 mm)

 

Top speed:

Offroad: 6 mph (9.65 km/h)

Road: 9 mph (14.48 km/h)

 

 

Wooden mockup with the 'Option 2' turret

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Weapons:

Turret (A.22 type turret)

1 x 57mm QF 6 pounder 7 cwt.

1 x 7.92 mm coaxial Besa machine gun.

 

Hull

1 x 76.2mm Ordnance QF 3-inch howitzer.

 

Sides (On each side)

2 x 7.92 mm Besa machine guns in sponsons.

 

Armour:

Turret (A.22 type turret)

3.5" front (88.9 mm)

3" to 3.5" sides & rear (76.2 to 88.9 mm)

 

Hull (Not 100% clear)

3" front (76.2 mm)

2" sides (50.8 mm)

0,75" rear (19.05 mm)

1" to 2" engine deck (25.4 to 50.8 mm)

 

Top speed:

Offroad: 6 mph (9.65 km/h)

Road: 9 mph (14.48 km/h)

 

 

TOG-2

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Now the tank is starting to look a bit more like a modern-ish tank. The machinegun sponsons are gone now, but they decided to leave the sides open for maintenance and such.

Again, I will not talk in great dept about this version here, because I've already done so in a different post. Link will be down below, be sure to check it out!

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TOG-2*

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This is the final build version of the TOG-2! Here they have given it an actual suspension! You heard that right, no more bumpy rides!

And also the main mayor change, a 17 pounder (76.2mm) gun!

But, I will not talk in great dept about this version here, because I've already done so in a different post. Link will be down below, be sure to check it out!

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TOG-2A

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Now sadly this beauty was never build. But it's the same thing as with the TOG-1 and 1A. Everything the TOG-2 did wrong, will be fixed in the TOG-2A!

Think of the TOG-2 as a prototype testbed, and the TOG-2A as the production model. 

Changes wise there is not a lot. The only mayor thing they would have changed, is the removal of the large open doors on the side. They would have now been made of a large thick steel plate. Also there where plans to give the tank more frontal armour, up to 6" (152,4mm)

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Sorry no images for this one 

But like I said above, the main visual change is the removal of the large hole in the sides.

 

TOG-2R

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And you thought there was only one TOG-2 design? Oh how mistaken you are!

The TOG-2R is yet another improvement of the TOG-2 design. This time improving the armour of the turret in a very cool looking way.

The frontal turret armour is said to be 4" (101,6mm)

 

Early drawing

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Final design

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TOG-3

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Originaly the TOG-1A was called the TOG-3. But after this was changed it left open the designation. So it was decided to make this a smaller 'medium' tank.

But as you can expect, the weight of the vehicle kept on climbing. What started with a 35-45 ton vehicle turned into 45-50 tons.

In the end it became a 55 ton tank capable of 15mph (24km/h) and with a 17 pounder (76.2mm) gun.

In the end the total length of the tank was greatly reduced, making it look rather funny if you ask me.

 

Initial design

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Final design

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TOG-4

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I'm sorry to get you excited about a fourth TOG tank, but sadly there is nothing known about this one.

I've gone through the entire Tanks of TOG book but ended up with nothing. 

 

All I found was this: TOG-4, 22/10/1941, Speed: 14mph (22,5 km/h)

 

Unnamed/undated sketches

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Turret designs

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Hull/Tank designs

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The post regarding the TOG-2 Wooden mockup, TOG-2 and TOG-2* can be found here:

 

So there you have it! 

I hope you enjoyed, and be sure to check out my other TankSeries posts! 

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Or maybe you'll be interested in my other series of posts. The PlaneSeries! 

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All data regarding these vehicles is taken from the 'The Tanks of TOG' book by Andrew Hills.

https://www.amazon.com/Tanks-TOG-designs-Development-Committee/dp/1974680371

Edited May 4, 2021 by super_cacti
Updated the post.

[Comrade_Katya 98]

A whole fleet of TOGs...

[Skeletovich 59]

But what B.R. would fit it(TOG II*)?

Wouldn't it be a bit non conventional?

[super_cacti 1,071]

28 minutes ago, Comrade_Katya said:

A whole fleet of TOGs...

A whole techtree of TOGs...

 

9 minutes ago, DinoTheSkeleTon said:

But what B.R. would fit it(TOG II*)?

Wouldn't it be a bit non conventional?

Well it can be placed after the Churchill Mk VII, at a battlerating of 5.0.

A lot of people look at this things armour and say it is weak. But remember this thing has a lot of room inside and has around 7 crew members!

It can take a beating 

[CRGKevin 956]

I’d love to take these out in the battlefield! 

[Mercedes4321 4,695]

2 hours ago, super_cacti said:

Heyoo, time for another tank series! 

Let's talk about my most favorite tanks! The TOG tanks!!!

 

Turretless External Track Machine

  Hide contents

This new TOG design is detailed in 'Future Plans' as having a new, turretless design to meet the new specifications, with two sponsons, one anti-tank anti-pillbox gun later recorded as 2 pounder (40mm) guns in each sponson providing "practically all round fire" (as each had 180 degrees of traverse and a 75mm gun mounted in the front, suspended in accordance with naval construction practice.

What we got here is a WW1 style tank, just a whole lot bigger and stronger. It's sponsons are extremely wide but offer a unique 180 degree fire arc. And the same gun taken from the French Char B1 to take care of pillboxes and such. A truely unique vehicle indeed.

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TOG-1

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TOG-1

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I think we have all heard of the TOG-1 before right? The TOG-1 and the 'Turretless External Track Machine' share a lot in common actualy, that mainly being the hull. In the early stage of the TOG-1 the large 2 pounder (40mm) side sponsons where still being considerd. Making it's total armament three 2 pounder (40mm) guns (two on the sides in the large sponsons and one in the turret) and one 75mm cannon in the front hull!

But the sponsons where soon replaced by more smaller besa machinegun sponsons as shown in the drawing below.

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There is also a drawing of the TOG-1 with a Char B1 turret on top, pretty interesting looking if you ask me.

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TOG-1A

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The TOG-1 was later slightly improved with a new hydraulic transmission and there where also orders for some extra plates and new air systems and such. Pretty much everything the TOG-1 did wrong, was trying to be fixed with the TOG-1A. But remember, The TOG-1 and 1A are the same tank. The TOG-1 that was build, was later modified to the TOG-1A.

The tank itself looks identical to the TOG-1.

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TOG-2

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TOG-2 wooden mockup

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A very interesting stage of the TOG-2 development. Here they are still stuck in the WW1 style of tanks. 

Now I will not talk in great dept about this version here, because I've already done so in a different post. Link will be down below, be sure to check it out!

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TOG-2

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Now the tank is starting to look a bit more like a modern-ish tank. The machinegun sponsons are gone now, but they decided to leave the sides open for maintenance and such.

Again, I will not talk in great dept about this version here, because I've already done so in a different post. Link will be down below, be sure to check it out!

  Reveal hidden contents

 

TOG-2*

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This is the final build version of the TOG-2! Here they have given it an actual suspension! You heard that right, no more bumpy rides!

And also the main mayor change, a 17 pounder (76.2mm) gun!

But, I will not talk in great dept about this version here, because I've already done so in a different post. Link will be down below, be sure to check it out!

  Reveal hidden contents

 

TOG-2A

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Now sadly this beauty was never build. But it's the same thing as with the TOG-1 and 1A. Everything the TOG-2 did wrong, will be fixed in the TOG-2A!

Think of the TOG-2 as a prototype testbed, and the TOG-2A as the production model. 

Changes wise there is not a lot. The only mayor thing they would have changed, is the removal of the large open doors on the side. They would have now been made of a large thick steel plate. Also there where plans to give the tank more frontal armour, up to 6" (152,4mm)

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Sorry no images for this one 

But like I said above, the main visual change is the removal o the large hole in the sides.

 

TOG-2R

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And you thought there was only one TOG-2 design? Oh how mistaken you are!

The TOG-2R is yet another improvement of the TOG-2 design. This time improving the armour of the turret in a very cool looking way.

The frontal turret armour is said to be 4" (101,6mm)

 

Early drawing

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Final design

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TOG-3

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Originaly the TOG-1A was called the TOG-3. But after this was changed it left open the designation. So it was decided to make this a smaller 'medium' tank.

But as you can expect, the weight of the vehicle kept on climbing. What started with a 35-45 ton vehicle turned into 45-50 tons.

In the end it became a 55 ton tank capable of 15mph (24km/h) and with a 17 pounder (76.2mm) gun.

In the end the total length of the tank was greatly reduced, making it look rather funny if you ask me.

 

Initial design

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Final design

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TOG-4

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I'm sorry to get you excited about a fourth TOG tank, but sadly there is nothing known about this one.

I've gone through the entire Tanks of TOG book but ended up with nothing. 

 

All I found was this: TOG-4, 22/10/1941, Speed: 14mph (22,5 km/h)

 

Unnamed/undated sketches

  Reveal hidden contents

Turret designs

  Reveal hidden contents

Hull/Tank designs

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

The post regarding the TOG-2 Wooden mockupTOG-2 and TOG-2* can be found here:

 

So there you have it! 

I hope you enjoyed, and be sure to check out my other tank series posts! 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

All data regarding these vehicles is taken from the 'The Tanks of TOG' book by Andrew Hills.

https://www.amazon.com/Tanks-TOG-designs-Development-Committee/dp/1974680371

I have the same book, the TOG 4 was a TOG with very little development, only being mentioned in one meeting about an improved suspension system iirc.

[OldMachineNazara 407]

Lets start a movement to add the TOG tanks to the main British tech tree

[BlueBeta 7,558]

I just wanna see Tog2* aside the Char2C

[super_cacti 1,071]

21 minutes ago, Mercedes4321 said:

I have the same book, the TOG 4 was a TOG with very little development, only being mentioned in one meeting about an improved suspension system iirc.

Yeah I thought So.

 

12 minutes ago, KHEEEEENSCREAM said:

Lets start a movement to add the TOG tanks to the main British tech tree

YES!

 

4 minutes ago, BlueBeta said:

I just wanna see Tog2* aside the Char2C

Oh Yeah I want the Char2C aswell!

[Wolf_89 2,525]

I'm really surprised this ain't a premium/event tank in WT yet.

[super_cacti 1,071]

3 hours ago, Wolf_89 said:

I'm really surprised this ain't a premium/event tank in WT yet.

In my opinion the TOG-2 Wooden mockup is a perfect event vehicle. The TOG-2 as normal premium and the TOG-2* as a normal techtree vehicle.

[OldMachineNazara 407]

8 hours ago, super_cacti said:

In my opinion the TOG-2 Wooden mockup is a perfect event vehicle. The TOG-2 as normal premium and the TOG-2* as a normal techtree vehicle.

War Gaming got something in the way of TOG II...Not sure if it's a copyright or something else but you can't make money off a TOG II because of War Gaming. So I say Make all the TOGs normal tech tree tanks

[Mercedes4321 4,695]

There was also a plan to give the TOG 2 the turret of the M6 at one point, but the drawings of that one are lost deep in some archive by this point.

[super_cacti 1,071]

4 hours ago, Mercedes4321 said:

There was also a plan to give the TOG 2 the turret of the M6 at one point, but the drawings of that one are lost deep in some archive by this point.

If I remember correctly those drawings are long lost or just never found after the war. But Yeah a TOG-2 with a M6 turret could be pretty Nice aswell 

[WindowsXPisBest@psn 1,595]

TOG.1 Video Footage

 

[Sparkbox 131]

Given Gaijoob's tendency to model British tank's speeds and manoeuvrability based on their conservative suggested handling in the manuals (then err on the side of caution and make them even slower) rather than what the tanks were actually capable of... I cannot see any of the TOGs being any fun to drive.

 

At best would be the TOG-1 with the three 2pdrs and the 75mm in the hull. It'd be the British landship that's any good.

[Mercedes4321 4,695]

4 minutes ago, Sparkbox said:

Given Gaijoob's tendency to model British tank's speeds and manoeuvrability based on their conservative suggested handling in the manuals (then err on the side of caution and make them even slower) rather than what the tanks were actually capable of... I cannot see any of the TOGs being any fun to drive.

 

At best would be the TOG-1 with the three 2pdrs and the 75mm in the hull. It'd be the British landship that's any good.

You're looking at a top speed of like 8-9mph, even slower cross-country, anyway, even with the normal top speed it would be painful to traverse the map.

[WindowsXPisBest@psn 1,595]

27 minutes ago, Sparkbox said:

Given Gaijoob's tendency to model British tank's speeds and manoeuvrability based on their conservative suggested handling in the manuals (then err on the side of caution and make them even slower) rather than what the tanks were actually capable of... I cannot see any of the TOGs being any fun to drive.

 

At best would be the TOG-1 with the three 2pdrs and the 75mm in the hull. It'd be the British landship that's any good.

Speed-wise. the TOG.1 can run to about 14km/h (8/9 mph) making it the second slowest tank next to the T95/T28 Doom Turtle.

TOG.2 on the other hand... didn't really improved much with an even slower speed of 13km/h (7/8 mph).

 

TOG series is only for those who loves playing Super large yet slow tanks like the T95 Doom Turtle or the MAUS.

[Cam_the_man 146]

Any player or former player of that other game worth their salt will buy the tog 2 regardless of how terrible it is.

 

TOG is party tank

[armando30 493]

On 19/10/2018 at 16:26, super_cacti said:

Well it can be placed after the Churchill Mk VII, at a battlerating of 5.0.

 

sorry to inform you but you are seriously mistaken, the TOG II* has neither the armor or even the mobility of a Churchill Mk VII, it's clearly a inferior machine, sure it's internal space does provide some advantages in War Thunder, however the TOG II* is way too long which will make it really hard to steer and it's not like you can point your armour at the enemy and just take the shots, it will be easy for the enemy to kill your crew, especially at BR4.7+ (ground RB)

in my opinion it could be at most BR4.3, sure it does have a good gun BUT the Sherman Vc Firefly has the same gun at BR4.7 and less armour BUT is way more mobile, I honestly believe that EVEN with the 17pdr a BR of 4.0 would not be OP, even if we compare it to the BR4.0 Achilles it would probably come out worse, and on top of that the cannon is the same

[super_cacti 1,071]

1 hour ago, armando30 said:

 

sorry to inform you but you are seriously mistaken, the TOG II* has neither the armor or even the mobility of a Churchill Mk VII, it's clearly a inferior machine, sure it's internal space does provide some advantages in War Thunder, however the TOG II* is way too long which will make it really hard to steer and it's not like you can point your armour at the enemy and just take the shots, it will be easy for the enemy to kill your crew, especially at BR4.7+ (ground RB)

in my opinion it could be at most BR4.3, sure it does have a good gun BUT the Sherman Vc Firefly has the same gun at BR4.7 and less armour BUT is way more mobile, I honestly believe that EVEN with the 17pdr a BR of 4.0 would not be OP, even if we compare it to the BR4.0 Achilles it would probably come out worse, and on top of that the cannon is the same

The mobility is not bad at all tho.

 

[armando30 493]

12 hours ago, super_cacti said:

The mobility is not bad at all tho.

 

 

it's all about context, it's OVERALL mobility is inferior to tanks of comparable role (and potentialy similar BR in WT), even it's size will difficult it's ability to avoid obstacles, especially in some of WT maps, I have no doubt it would be an interesting machine in WT BUT I disagree with it coming after the Churchill Mk.VII as someone commented above, if it did it would beed to be AT least BR4.7 (same as Ch. Mk.7, for ground RB), at such BR I do not know of any tank that could possibly have worse mobility and all of them have enough firepower to nulify it's armour as well as many of them having way better armour than the TOG II*, again, it's all about context and I believe I did wrote specifically about comparision with BR4.7+ vehicles

[ForeverAloneRage 130]

 

[super_cacti 1,071]

12 hours ago, ForeverAloneRage said:

 

It doesn't get any more majestic then that! 

(Btw the size of the Big Gun Turret is absolutely massive!!)

Edited March 15, 2019 by super_cacti
Made a small naming error.

[Kocant12 878]

tog 2 was best tank of ww2