Eurocopter (Now Airbus) Tiger/Tigre

[BinnsyBoi 77]

Note that the German Tiger does not have a chin mounted 30mm auto cannon but instead had a top rotor mounted camera system, seen in the lower photos

What is the Tiger?
The Tiger is a multi role attack helicopter armed with a 30mm GIAT 30 chin mounted cannon. Tiger is a four-bladed, twin-engined attack helicopter which first entered service in 2003, in Germany and Australia it is known as the Tiger; in France and Spain it is called the Tigre.

Background about the Tiger.
Development of the Tiger started during the Cold War, and it was initially intended as an anti-tank helicopter platform to be used against a Soviet ground invasion of Western Europe. During its prolonged development period the Soviet Union collapsed, but France and Germany chose to proceed with the Tiger, developing it instead as a multirole attack helicopter. It achieved operational readiness in 2008.

France & West Germany
Creators of the aircraft, Germany using the UH Tiger whilst France using the Tiger HAD
Australia
2001 - On 21 December 2001, Eurocopter was awarded the contract to meet the Australian Army's "AIR 87 requirement" for 22 Tiger helicopters of the ARH (Armed Reconnaissance Helicopter) version, final aircraft arrived in 2011.
Spain
2003 - In September 2003, Spain selected a variant of the Tiger HAP combat support helicopter – the Tiger HAD – for its army. The 24 helicopters of this type would be armed with the PARS 3 LR and Mistral missile systems, and feature updated Enhanced MTR390 engines capable of lifting heavier payloads.

 Australia

Australian Army

1st Aviation Regiment

 France

French Army

4th Special Forces Helicopter Regiment

5th Combat Helicopter Regiment

 Germany

German Army

Army Aviation Helicopter Regiment 36

 Spain

Spanish Army

Attack Helicopter Battalion 1

 

General characteristics

Crew: Two: pilot and weapon systems officer

Length: 14.08 m fuselage (46 ft 2 in)

Rotor diameter: 13.00 m (42 ft 8 in)

Height: 3.83 m (12 ft 7 in)

Disc area: 133 m2 (1,430 ft²)

Empty weight: 3,060 kg (6,750 lb)

Loaded weight: 5,090 kg (11,311 lb)

Max. takeoff weight: 6,000 kg (13,000 lb)

Internal fuel capacity: 1,080 kg (2,380 lb)

Powerplant: 2 × MTU Turbomeca Rolls-Royce MTR390 turboshafts, 958 kW (1.303 shp) each

Performance

Maximum speed: 290 km/h with mast, 315 km/h without mast (157 knots, 181 mph with mast, 170 knots or 196 mph without mast)

Range: 800 km (430 nm, 500 mi) combat (with external tanks in the inboard stations: 1,300km)

Service ceiling: 4,000 m (13,000 ft)

Rate of climb: 10.7 m/s (2,105 ft/min)

Power/mass: 0.23 hp/lb (0.38 kW/kg)
 

Weaponry
Notice the "or"s in this area...these are not things that can be put together - this is for the people who would say this payload is OP and not realising these are separate.
Main Weapon

Chin mounted cannon - GIAT 30 - 450 x 30mm
I was told by the head of Airbus in Australia when i went for my interview to be able to work on this amazing aircraft that the 30mm is able to pen 6 inches (150mm~) when using the APHEI rounds, i was unable to find what metal they tested against (Depleted Uranium, Cast or Rolled Homogeneous Armor or just plain steel/iron). I hope this helps.
 

These are on one hardpoint alone, therefore 2x for each hardpoint example; (1x 20mm on the left and right hardpoints)
Inner hardpoints:

1x 20 mm autocannon pods, or

22x 68 mm SNEB unguided rockets in a pod, or

19x 70 mm Hydra-70 unguided rockets in a pod or

4x AGM-114 Hellfire missiles (Australia/France) or

4x Spike-ER missiles (Spain) or

4x PARS 3 LR missiles (Germany) or

4x HOT3 missiles (Germany)

Outer hardpoints:

2x Mistral air-to-air missiles, or

2x FIM-92 Stinger air-to-air missiles (Germany), or

12x 68 mm SNEB unguided rockets in a pod or

7x 70 mm Hydra-70 unguided rockets in a pod

Inner Hardpoints marked in Red
Outer Hardpoints marked in Blue

Now lets get to the controversial and informal part which needs to be addressed 
this is not meant to insult any member of the community or Gaijin developer or forum staff, this is my pure opinion and take it with a grain of salt. <3

- People will say this aircraft is too overpowered because of it's composite armour...that won't do anything against ATGMs from any tank/vehicle or aircraft, APFSDS any tank round can kill it. Just because the IRL version has composite armour that 23mm rounds can't pen doesn't mean it has to in-game, lets be real, no one knows what round they were using when they tested it against the armour as it's classified, anyone that does know is either breaching contract and military code or is a pure liar.
- If anyone says that all the weaponry that is listed above should be in the game should take a look at all the other vehicles ingame that are missing things (ammo mainly), this game doesn't need things like hellfires or air to air missiles RIGHT NOW, im sure they will come in the future when they are needed, but for right now, they aren't.
- for those who want this in the French tree, i agree as it is a French/German designed aircraft but just keep in mind that we're talking about Germany for this time, so please try to keep it like that for now


(Picture i personally took)


German Tiger

Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocopter_Tiger
https://www.airbus.com/helicopters/military-helicopters/specialised/tiger.html#brochures (Note, this is about the Spanish Tiger)
https://www.army-technology.com/projects/tiger/

Edited October 30, 2018 by BinnsyBoi
Added extra information on the 30mm Auto Cannon

[leroyonly 4,310]

Open for discussion. 

[CoachJester 17]

yes, very much needed and would for me be the only reason to grind through the rest of the coppers, really need more choppers with a gum (be it MG or cannon) WITH rockets at the same time

[Lucky_B 356]

+1.

 

What about creating a separate suggestion for the French version ?

as :

from : https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/430377-state-of-suggestions-from-naval-helicopter-cbt-sections-additional-info/

 

Otherwise, I'm sure someone else will certainly do it in a near future... ➙ duplication.

Edited October 25, 2018 by Lucky_B

[dotEXCEL 5,968]

Stinger and 12,7mm FN HMP 400 POD on the German Tiger

for the French version:

Nexter THL-30 Gun Turret
30 × 150 mm
1025 m/s
adjustable RoF up to 2500 rpm
244g High Explosive Incendiary projectile
270g heavy APHEI-SD-projectile (Armour Piercing High Explosive Incendiary)

Edited October 25, 2018 by dotEXCEL

[TheFuzzieOne 3,355]

The composite really isn't that big a thing. Implying the helo has some sort of invulnerability shield around it because it has "some composite armour" (as I have seen some try to claim) is both inaccurate and overblown. If anything, the Tiger is lighter armoured than most modern attack helos.

 

It has a few panels of marginally resistant armour around the pilots from certain specific angles only. That's about it. In game terms it effectively is completely unarmoured. Not an issue.

 

Right now full on fire-and-forget is not a thing. So any missiles that don't have that are fine to go with.

 

Also remember the German one doesn't have the nose gun.

Edited October 25, 2018 by TheFuzzieOne

[BinnsyBoi 77]

1 minute ago, TheFuzzieOne said:

Also remember the German one doesn't have the nose gun.

That is true, so i guess it fits with the rest of the German heli line up, lol

[Nicolaser 2,024]

Well I think that HOT 3 are not fire and forget so it could be introduced

Edited October 27, 2018 by Nicolaser

[dotEXCEL 5,968]

13 hours ago, Nicolaser said:

Well I think that HOT 3 are not fire and forget so it could be introduced

they are just like HOT 2, SACLOS

[CoachJester 17]

On 25/10/2018 at 03:44, BinnsyBoi said:

Australia
2001 - On 21 December 2001, Eurocopter was awarded the contract to meet the Australian Army's "AIR 87 requirement" for 22 Tiger helicopters of the ARH (Armed Reconnaissance Helicopter) version, final aircraft arrived in 2011.
 

 Australia

Australian Army

1st Aviation Regiment 

 

Well As Australia is part of the Commonwealth and there are Australian planes in the British tech tree it would of been nice to see a vote option for Germany, France and British (aka Aussies) even if just as a premium for the British (with Aussie flag/roundel)

[JEI2 5,766]

+1

[Graxum 332]

if they add it in the game they can just remove the armor like they did with Mi-24s

[BinnsyBoi 77]

On 04/11/2018 at 00:39, CoachJester said:

Well As Australia is part of the Commonwealth and there are Australian planes in the British tech tree it would of been nice to see a vote option for Germany, France and British (aka Aussies) even if just as a premium for the British (with Aussie flag/roundel)

Well seeing how this is a 10.0 helicopter at least, i don't see this becoming a premium helicopter as that is around 9.0-9.7. and brits have their own attack heli for the main tree

[HerrSektor 3,840]

This helicopter needs to be in the German tree... I am a a wehraboo, and i like this helicopter since Modern War april's fools... but this helicopter needs to be in the French tree too, since is a common work/service between those nations...

[Gavin_Mactavish 943]

Semi-automatic command to line of sight (SACLOS) is a method of missile command guidance. In SACLOS, the operator has to continually point a sighting device at the target while the missile is in flight. Electronics in the sighting device and/or the missile then guide it to the target.

 

By definition. Literally every helicopter with ATGM has a SACLOS system.

So can the following acknowledge this??

 

On 28/10/2018 at 01:05, dotEXCEL said:

they are just like HOT 2, SACLOS

 

On 27/10/2018 at 11:38, Nicolaser said:

Well I think that HOT 3 are not fire and forget so it could be introduced

 

[BinnsyBoi 77]

19 hours ago, zSektor92 said:

This helicopter needs to be in the German tree... I am a a wehraboo, and i like this helicopter since Modern War april's fools... but this helicopter needs to be in the French tree too, since is a common work/service between those nations...

This helicopter was not in the April fools at all...ever. That was the AH-64D Apache and the Mi24 Hind, not the Tiger
I will do a post soon in the french tree when French helicopters are announced, as i said above, i do feel it needs to be in the french and german as it was designed by them, any other nation i feel should be a "down the line" thought (commonwealth tree - if it gets added i don't like the idea of it personally - and the spanish tree - if it gets added)

[CokeSpray 7,270]

Suggestion passed to the developers for consideration.

[leroyonly 4,310]

As the German Eurocopter Tiger has been implented in update 1.91,

 

Moved to Implemented Suggestions.