Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21bis "Fishbed-L/N" - The Ultimate Development Of The Cold War Icon

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

Of course I'm going to suggest this iconic aerial figure of the 20th century! The well-known and famed MiG-21bis is still in service to this day due to its high versatility and good performance. 

 

Lots of players want this in the game, and it will be needed to put up a fight against the F-4A Phantom and its other modifications, since it's the best-performing production MiG-21.

 

I will add only the infrared homing/heat-seeking missiles to the list that it could carry because Gaijin is still working on the radar ones. 

 

 

Quick overview:

 

 

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The Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21bis is the ultimate development of the famed MiG-21, and the last serial production MiG-21. The plan was to improve the MiG-21 in general: increase endurance, incorporate a new powerful afterburning engine, the new (back then) GSh-23L 23mm cannon and other improvements. 

 

 

 

 

History, design and development:

 

 

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In order to further improve the performance of the MiG-21 and Su-15 fighters in the winter of 1971, a government decree was issued requiring the Ufa Soyuz ICC to create an R25-300 engine with a take-off load of 7100 kgf, and when flying at the ground at a speed of sound - 9900 kgf. So began the work on the MiG-21bis - the last serial modification, the production of which was launched at the plant in Gorky in the same year. In addition to the new TRDF, the fuel system was improved, and the reserves found (mainly due to a larger overhead fuel tank) allowed it to increase by almost 230 liters, which compensated for the loss of range due to the increased fuel consumption. To the credit of the engine builders, they completed the task. The P25-300 developed emergency power - 7100 kgf, and at the first afterburner - 6850 kgf. Keeping the dimensions of the predecessor, the dry weight of the engine increased slightly and did not exceed 1215 kg.

 

In fact, the traction characteristics of the P25-300 surpassed the set, which made it possible to increase, for example, the climb rate of the aircraft by almost 1.6 times, bringing it to 235 m / s on the ground (at a speed corresponding to the number M = 0.9).

 

Note that by that time almost all the reserves of the airframe, including its internal volumes, were exhausted. The level of instrumentation technology and the element base of radio-electronic equipment (avionics) did not allow significantly improving the parameters of the radar sight of such small size and expand the combat capabilities of the machine. The only exceptions were guided missiles, but even here the choice was small.

In 1968, the R-55 missile with an infrared homing system and a launch range of up to 10 km was put into service. The P-55 was included in the MiG-21bis armament, but it never became mass, giving way to the P-60.

Compared with the MiG-21 of previous modifications, the wing was modernized on the bis, improved on-board equipment, and significantly increased the range of on-board armaments. The structure of the aircraft equipment included a radar sight "Sapphire-21"; telescope ASP-PFD-21; flight-navigation complex PNK "Flight-OI", which includes the automatic control system SVU-23ESN; the system of near navigation and landing RSBSN-5C and antenna-feedernau "Pion-H". On the plane, the “Lazur” interference-free communication line remained, providing interaction with the ground-based automated control system “Air-1”; ejection seat KM-1 or KM-1M, air pressure receiver PVD-18.

 

In 1972, the Gorky Aviation Plant built the first thirty-five MiG-21 bis, and in the same year the aircraft was put into service. Fighter gaining air superiority MiG-21bis compared aircraft previous modifications has the best maneuverability and acceleration characteristics, greater rate of climb. The maneuverability of the aircraft is close to the corresponding characteristics of foreign fighters of the fourth generation F-15, F-16, Mirage 2000. The EPR of the aircraft is close to the similar parameter of the F-16 fighter.

 

From 1972 to 1985, the 2013 MiG-21bis was produced in three main configurations: the product "75" - for the Air Force and Air Defense of the USSR, "75A" - for the socialist countries and "75B" for the capitalist and developing countries. But there were variations. So, for the air defense, the vehicles were completed with the Lazur guidance equipment, while others were equipped with a blind landing system, which allowed entry into the runway at a cloud height not lower than 100 m and visibility up to 1000 m. The export "bis" were completed with the Almaz (apparently 30, developed at NPO Almaz, with the possibility of using P-ZR and R-13M missiles with a target detection range (EPR = 5 m2) of 14 km and auto-tracking - 10 km. The aircraft allowed the use of RR-55 and R-60.

The only country to master the production of the MiG-21bis (type "75L") was India. To begin with, six aircraft of this type and 65 sets of units and parts for assembly were installed there at the HAL Corporation plant in the city of Nasik.

 

In the middle of 1982, a proposal appeared to include in the MiG-21bis armament the improved R-60M infrared homing missiles.

On the basis of the MiG-21 has been done a lot of flying laboratories for various studies. No exception was the MiG-21bis. You can mark the machine, intended for research intake devices. On the plane (factory No. 75002198), in addition to the standard anti-surge flaps, eight sections of adjustable flaps were installed on the whole forming shell of the air intake. What is the practical use of this innovation is unknown, but someone wrote a dissertation - that's for sure. The MiG-21bis is still in service with the air forces of a number of countries.

 

 

 

 

Internal Components:

 

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Cockpit:

 

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Camouflage

 

 

 

Specifications

 

 

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Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21bis "Fishbed L/N"

 

 

General Characteristics

 

Introduced: 1972

Status: Production

Role: Fighter/Fighter-bomber

Number built: 2,308

Crew: 1

Length: 14.10 m (46.26 ft)

Wingspan: 7.15 m (23.45 ft)

Wing area: 23 m² (247.57 ft²)

Height: 4.13 m (13.55 ft)

Empty weight: 5,339 kg (11,770.5 lbs)

Loaded weight: 8,725 kg (19,235 lbs) 

Max. takeoff weight: 9,497 kg (20,937 lbs) 

Powerplant: 1 x Tumansky R-25-300 afterburning turbojet

• without afterburner: 4,100 kgf (40.2 kN, 9,039 lbf)
• with afterburner: 7,100.8 kgf (69.62 kN, 15,653 lbf)

Fuel capacity: 2,880 liters (634 Imperial gal, 761 U.S gal)

Fuel capacity (drop tanks): 

• 3 x 490 liters (3 x 108 Imperial gal, 3 x 129 U.S gal)

or

• 1 x 880 liters (176 Imperial gal, 211 U.S gal)

 

Performance

 

Maximum speed: 

• At sea level: 1,305 km/h (810.8894 mph, 704.6 knots) (full power)
• At 12,000 m (39,370 ft): 2,175 km/h (1,351.5 mph, 1,147 knots) (full power)

Stall speed: 

Rate of climb: 235 m/s (770.99 ft/s)

Service ceiling: 17,800 m (58,398.95 ft)

G-limit:

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Range: 1,210 km (752 mi, 653 nmi)

Max. range: 1,900 km (1,180.6 mi, 1,206 nmi)

Wing loading:

• Empty weight: 232.130435 kg/m² (47.54 lb/ft²)
• Loaded weight: 379.347826 kg/m² (77.7 lb/ft²)
• Max. takeoff weight: 412.913043 kg/m² (84.57 lb/ft²)

Thrust/weight (without afterburner):

• Empty weight: 0.76
• Loaded weight: 0.47
• Max. takeoff weight: 0.43

Thrust/weight (with afterburner):

• Empty weight: 1.33
• Loaded weight: 0.81
• Max. takeoff weight: 0.75

 

Armament

 

Guns: 1 x 23mm Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-23L autocannon (200 rds total)

Bombs: 

• 2 x FAB-100 (2 x 100 kg / 2 x 220 lbs)

or

• 2 x FAB-250 (2 x 250 kg / 2 x 500 lbs)

or

• 2 x FAB-500 (2 x 500 kg / 2 x 1,000 lbs)

Rockets:

• 34 x UB-16-57UM rocket pod with 16 x 57 mm S-5K unguided rockets 

or

• 2 x UB-32 rocket pod with 32 x 57 mm S-5K unguided rockets

or

• 4 x 240mm S-24 unguided rockets 

Missiles:

• 4 x R-3S infrared homing/heat-seeking missiles

or

• 4 x R-3R semi-active radar-homing air-to-air missiles

or

• 4 x RS-2US beam-riding air-to-air missiles

or

• 4 x R-13M infrared homing/heat-seeking missiles

or

• 4 x R-55 infrared homing/heat-seeking missiles

or

• 4 - 6x R-60 / R-60M infrared homing/heat-seeking missiles

 

 

 

 

Sources/References:

 

 

Spoiler

 

MiG-21bis aircraft manual

 

https://en.valka.cz/topic/view/22197/Mikojan-Gurevic-MiG-21bis-kod-NATO-Fishbed-L-Fishbed-N

Николай Якубович. Истребитель МиГ-21. Последние модификации
Крылья России. История и самолеты ОКБ "МиГ"
Авиация и Время. Ефим Гордон. Созданный для боя
Крылья Родины. Ефим Гордон. Рождение долгожителя
Ефим Гордон, Владимир Климов. МиГ-21
Крылья Родины. Э.Эгенбург. Сверхзвуковой реактивный "МиГ"
История конструкций самолетов в СССР 1951-1965гг. 
Famous Russian Aircraft. Yefim Gordon, Dmitry Kommisarov, Keith Dexter. Mikoyan MiG-21
Squadron/Signal. Aircraft Number 131. Don Linn, Don Spering. MiG-21 Fishbed in Action
PKL. MiG-21

 

 

 

 

Edited March 12, 2020 by EpicBlitzkrieg87

[leroyonly 4,311]

Open for discussion. 

[FaafVonFasslich 218]

While I like the idea of a Mig21 in the game, I don´t really know why you need a suggestion for it  . It is one of the most iconic warplanes in the cold war, don´t you think Gaijin has this plane on their list for when we get into that era?

[Pony51 6,572]

in 1 word,

Premature.

 

Lets see how the new Rank VI starts out, and get the first version of the Fishbed in.

Honestly want to see a lot more of the R4 and R5 done.

[TyphoonCro 6,833]

With super afterburner (aka WEP afterburner) climb rate of BiS becomes comparable to F-16..

So yeah...

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

26 minutes ago, FaafVonFasslich said:

While I like the idea of a Mig21 in the game, I don´t really know why you need a suggestion for it  . It is one of the most iconic warplanes in the cold war, don´t you think Gaijin has this plane on their list for when we get into that era?

 

Free upvotes and It might help them gather info somehow, and will certainly help those who don't know about it to learn more and possibly refer to this thread as a source for the info they got. And why not be the one to suggest this famous icon :P 

6 minutes ago, TyphoonCro said:

With super afterburner (aka WEP afterburner) climb rate of BiS becomes comparable to F-16..

So yeah...

 

The F-4 will outrun it. Will be the same kind of "MiG-19 vs F-100' match-up we're getting. 

 

32 minutes ago, Pony51 said:

in 1 word,

Premature.

 

Lets see how the new Rank VI starts out, and get the first version of the Fishbed in.

Honestly want to see a lot more of the R4 and R5 done.

 

We're definitely going to end up with the bis and Wild Weasel Phantom though. It's just a matter of time. They made the sonic boom, infrared homing missiles and afterburners. I don't see why not take a further step into planes with higher top speeds, the same kind of weaponry but without radar guided missiles (Gaijin still hasn't got them done) if they were present for them 

[TyphoonCro 6,833]

23 minutes ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

Wild Weasel Phantom

 

No built in gun, remember?

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The nose cannon was deleted, with the space occupied taken up by gear for an AN/APR-38 RHAWS

 

Edited December 9, 2018 by TyphoonCro

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

5 minutes ago, TyphoonCro said:

 

No built in gun, remember?

 

 

I'm talking about the F-4E, isn't it also a Wild Weasel? 

[TyphoonCro 6,833]

41 minutes ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

 

I'm talking about the F-4E, isn't it also a Wild Weasel? 

 

Nope... Wild Weasel is F-4G

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

3 hours ago, TyphoonCro said:

 

Nope... Wild Weasel is F-4G

 

I take my word back, then. But the F-4G would still be a formidable opponent to the MiG-21bis.

[Z3r0_ 4,128]

Assuming we stick to Gen 3 tech at the latest, this will likely be the top-tier Soviet fighter once all is said and done.

[Borotovas 4,500]

I support it, but Germany should get these too for tier 6.

 

[MyWaifuIsKeqing 756]

3 minutes ago, Borotovas said:

I support it, but Germany should get these too for tier 6.

Or put East German stuff in the Russian tech tree and West German stuff in the German tree.

[Borotovas 4,500]

42 minutes ago, _Amatsukaze said:

Or put East German stuff in the Russian tech tree and West German stuff in the German tree.

 

 

The Allies have: England, Japan, France and Italy that will receive a lot of American tier 6 jets.

 

Germany is a good opportunity to give the Warsaw pact another country, but giving Germany mostly East German planes.

 

And we already have the MiG-15, so MiG-21s would come after. I'm also a strong supporter of the MiG-17 for Germany.

 

[Aerobane 4,140]

I put no because I believe that the current development pace is leaving many game modes and features fundamentally broken or incomplete. I believe Gaijin should not move towards more advanced jets before fixing helicopters, the stagnancy of RB at all tiers, the imbalanced economy, naval units, and the unevenness of key feature implementation. (USA gets everything, France gets nothing for instance). I don't see these features being fixed/implemented rapidly enough to consider adding the Mig-21 or F4, any time soon. In a few years, however, I would not be opposed to such vehicles if they are accompanied by significant RP requirement nerfs or RP gain buffs to make them realistically attainable by new players joining the game within a year or two of playing.

 

In the poll it prompted us to say why we said no. I do not want to derail this thread, but feel it must explain why if I vote no ergo the poll's request. If someone wants to continue this discussion with me in a way not directly pertaining to the mig-21bis, please tag me in a relevant thread.

 

Thanks o7.

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

1 hour ago, Borotovas said:

I support it, but Germany should get these too for tier 6.

 

 

Giving Germany the best of both worlds with grind quicker than the Russian one? No, I'd personally limit it to the MiG-19 variant they had and let them have West German planes. 

[PoggerMogger 7,084]

yeah, sounds like a great addition,

 

you know what, now that the floodgates are open, how about adding the Mig-25 too

 

outrunning missles and hiding at 20km sounds fun

[Borotovas 4,500]

16 minutes ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

 

Giving Germany the best of both worlds with grind quicker than the Russian one? No, I'd personally limit it to the MiG-19 variant they had and let them have West German planes. 

 

I'm saying to only give Germany Soviet planes and no more American planes. 

 

Japan and France and Italy will be close to 100% American planes in tier 6.

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

17 hours ago, Borotovas said:

 

I'm saying to only give Germany Soviet planes and no more American planes. 

 

Japan and France and Italy will be close to 100% American planes in tier 6.

 

A part of me says no, because I love my MiGs, but the biggest reason why they shouldn't get only East German aircraft is the line itself. 

 

Just look at how quick you'd reach tier 6. There are only two tier 5 planes. I find that cheating against Russia. because you would get the MiGs from a foreign country much quicker, and worst of all, very quickly. This is very bad for the player, as many already skip the He 162 and fly the MiG-15bis as their first jet, many would also get to tier 6 without effort and would have no clue what they're doing.

[Trotrodor 2,670]

18 hours ago, Borotovas said:

 

I'm saying to only give Germany Soviet planes and no more American planes. 

 

Japan and France and Italy will be close to 100% American planes in tier 6.

you clearly don't know anything about jet aircraft...

France for example could easly get 100% of french aircraft... if they get new jet one day...

but back to the subject, i think the mig 21 IS going to be introduced one day are another so +1

[Borotovas 4,500]

2 hours ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

 

A part of me says no, because I love my MiGs, but the biggest reason why they shouldn't get only East German aircraft is the line itself. 

 

Just look at how quick you'd reach tier 6. There are only two tier 5 planes. I find that cheating against Russia. because you would get the MiGs from a foreign country much quicker, and worst of all, very quickly. This is very bad for the player, as many already skip the He 162 and fly the MiG-15bis as their first jet, many would also get to tier 6 without effort and would have no clue what they're doing.

 

Germany has a lot of aircraft that you have to pass through. It is actually Japan, Italy, and France that has the easiest way to get into jets, because they lack so many planes or don't have them.

 

Getting to the CL-13, requires grinding through many Me 262 variants and the Me 163.

 

Although, I agree that to get the MiG-15, all you need is the He 162. The solution to that would be to add more German jet aircraft above the He 162, and before the East German MiG-15. So the problem is solved that way, and then we can have the MiG-17, and MiG-21s added to Germany.

 

I propose that maybe the He 162 D and Me P1101 be added before the MiG-15 as a buffer.

 

1 hour ago, Trotrodor said:

you clearly don't know anything about jet aircraft...

France for example could easly get 100% of french aircraft... if they get new jet one day...

but back to the subject, i think the mig 21 IS going to be introduced one day are another so +1

 

I do know a lot about jet aircraft, however it is you who does not know. 

 

France used a lot of American jet aircraft after WWII. Sure they had a handful of their own prototypes and paper planes, but most of their backbone was imported American aircraft.

Edited December 12, 2018 by Borotovas

[RanchSauce39 397]

On 10/12/2018 at 10:22, Z3r0_ said:

Assuming we stick to Gen 3 tech at the latest, this will likely be the top-tier Soviet fighter once all is said and done.

 

 think Mig23ML , possibly  even MLA due to better retrofit of Countermeasure dispensors and newer SPO15 rwr. IT  would be better suited and more balanced against a late model F4E. (  1972+ production with leading edge Wing slatted version) extending into 1978-80 post production variation that also include Integrated Chaff/flare dispensers.

 

MIg21bis lacks any medium range radar guided missiles that are contemporary of the Aim7E, and has a vastly shorter search radar. ( 30 KM max, no look down shoot down capability, only boresight  cursor acquisition) F4E radar reliable search range that isup to 50 Nautical miles, but can be extended further via options ( since the actual radio singals technically travel even farther)

 

 

 

 

On 09/12/2018 at 14:04, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

Of course I'm going to suggest this iconic aerial figure of the 20th century! The well-known and famed MiG-21bis is still in service to this day due to its high versatility and good performance. 

 

Lots of players want this in the game, and it will be needed to put up a fight against the F-4A Phantom and its other modifications, since it's the best-performing production MiG-21.

 

I will add only the infrared homing/heat-seeking missiles to the list that it could carry because Gaijin is still working on the radar ones. 

 

 

 

 

should come after Mig12F13 but not necessarily right after. Possibly after Mig12PF or PFM

 

 

also avialogs has Mig21BIS manual

 

http://www.avialogs.com/index.php/en/aircraft/ussr/mikoyangurevitch/mig-21/mig-21bis-pilot-s-flight-operating-instructions.html

Edited December 13, 2018 by RanchSauce39

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

12 hours ago, RanchSauce39 said:

also avialogs has Mig21BIS manual

 

http://www.avialogs.com/index.php/en/aircraft/ussr/mikoyangurevitch/mig-21/mig-21bis-pilot-s-flight-operating-instructions.html

 

Check the references tab ^_^ 

[RanchSauce39 397]

10 hours ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

 

Check the references tab ^_^ 

 

i did earlier. it ges to a Czech  website that doesn't even lead to a download or preview. ( or also likely i just don't understand the language)

 

i included thie avialogs link since its from a reputed page and its from a English site for those who may just want to preview it, and not download it

Edited December 14, 2018 by RanchSauce39

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

14 hours ago, RanchSauce39 said:

 

i did earlier. it ges to a Czech  website that doesn't even lead to a download or preview. ( or also likely i just don't understand the language)

 

i included thie avialogs link since its from a reputed page and its from a English site for those who may just want to preview it, and not download it

 

This went past your eyes 

 

On 09/12/2018 at 16:04, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

 

MiG-21bis aircraft manual