T-54A

[Nell_Lucifer 927]

7 hours ago, Stuhlfleisch said:

To be honest (and I don't want to be rude), I never really understood this mindset, why is it bad, that a country gets war-machines it historically used? East-Germany purchased and used these tanks, they are a part of German history as a whole, just like west-German M47s or Leopard 1s. East-Germany was (just like the Third Reich) still Germany.

Because this is a game and people don't want non german desings in the german tech tree as regular vehicles. The T-54AMZ sure add it at least that was a german modification. And even if they add the T-54 it will just be a stronger Germany, still fighting alongside the Leopard 1. I guess you will be ok with the German Firefly as a regular tank for WW2 Germany as they used them and even added some modifications.

People want to have home designed vehicles over imported ones. Look just how people complain about the Jumbo in the French tree or the other shermans because you will end up fighting a Sherman in a Sherman. The game is not about historical accuracy that is why you have protos, paper, post war vs ww2 and so on.

[kamikazi21358 998]

2 hours ago, Nell_Lucifer said:

Because this is a game and people don't want non german desings in the german tech tree as regular vehicles.

*You don’t.  Reminder without non-German vehicles, Rank 6 for Germany will never exist, nor would a helicopter line.  Which German players complain they only have, like 2(?) Rank V vehicles in the main tree — that wouldn’t really change much if they never considered any of East Germany nor US exports.

 

Also throw a Sherman in every tech tree in the game, nobody bats an eye, suggest a T-34 in another, everybody loses their s***.

12 hours ago, Borotovas said:

 

I never noticed that the GDR modified some of the vehicles. It may be a good reason for adding several more GDR vehicles.

Here are some T-54/55 variants Germany used from looking around, not including armour recovery vehicles because I think they had a couple of those variants.

T-54A
T-54AM
T-55
T-55A

T-55AM

T-54AZ*
T-54AMZ*
T-55AM2
T-55AM2P
T-55AM2PB

 

*I believe the AZ or the AMZ didn’t have quite the numbers of the others, at least until idk how many AM2Ps and stuff there were.  I.e. — possible premiums?  East Germany has a large number of vehicles to choose though — it would only be good business for Gaijin to add them...

 

On 02/01/2019 at 22:25, Stuhlfleisch said:

To my knowledge east-Germany did not use any T-64s in any shape, way or form,

I couldn’t find it, but I thought there was a single elite group that got a small number.  But I could be wrong, and I very well could just be thinking of a Soviet guards group stationed in East Germany, which I know there were.  But I thought it was East German.

[Nell_Lucifer 927]

1 hour ago, kamikazi21358 said:

*You don’t.  Reminder without non-German vehicles, Rank 6 for Germany will never exist, nor would a helicopter line.  Which German players complain they only have, like 2(?) Rank V vehicles in the main tree — that wouldn’t really change much if they never considered any of East Germany nor US exports.

What? There is no non-german tank at rank VI. M48? That is a german heavy modification, M47? Premium. TAM? Built by Germany for Argentina. If there is no home design then add a copy that I don't mind if it is really needed. But there are enough Leopards and other tanks instead of the T-54A so there is no reason to have it.

Leopard I is a German design, T-54A is not.

[gimpy117 646]

why are "non German" German tanks a problem in the first place? are russian players afraid of their own tanks or something? 

[Nell_Lucifer 927]

26 minutes ago, gimpy117 said:

why are "non German" German tanks a problem in the first place? are russian players afraid of their own tanks or something? 

Because they are not unique and do not bring anything different from the soviet one? It makes sense to have original designs or modified in their home tree instead of other tree's designs. Because why will you go for the URSS tree if u can get the same stuff and other in the German tree? Or why would you fight a T-54 in a T-54? 

[WulfPack 1,693]

38 minutes ago, Nell_Lucifer said:

Or why would you fight a T-54 in a T-54? 

Ideally they'll change how RB and SB work.

[WayOfTheWolk 1,573]

1 hour ago, Nell_Lucifer said:

Because they are not unique and do not bring anything different from the soviet one? It makes sense to have original designs or modified in their home tree instead of other tree's designs. Because why will you go for the URSS tree if u can get the same stuff and other in the German tree? Or why would you fight a T-54 in a T-54? 

The M47 and M48 are all American "hand-me downs" with practically speaking the exact same parts and histories. The TAM was a joint venture between Germany and Argentina it was not an entirely German innovation. It's obvious to us you hate the East Germans but don't tell others they can't have their fair share of suggestions. After the war Germany was split in half between two satellite states, I fail to understand why both American and Soviet designs can't be equally represented. If it's a matter of balance that your concerned about then split the German tree at the higher BRs into East and West. This is after all a video game I came here to have fun not argue about reality. The T-54A would be a splendid pick for a Tiger II 105 replacement if ever necessary. 

[Nell_Lucifer 927]

 

 

10 hours ago, Private_Wolk said:

The M47 and M48 are all American "hand-me downs" with practically speaking the exact same parts and histories. The TAM was a joint venture between Germany and Argentina it was not an entirely German innovation. It's obvious to us you hate the East Germans but don't tell others they can't have their fair share of suggestions. After the war Germany was split in half between two satellite states, I fail to understand why both American and Soviet designs can't be equally represented. If it's a matter of balance that your concerned about then split the German tree at the higher BRs into East and West. This is after all a video game I came here to have fun not argue about reality. The T-54A would be a splendid pick for a Tiger II 105 replacement if ever necessary. 

M47 is premium and I have nothing against it, add the T-54 as premium same thing for me.

M48A2GA2 is not a normal American tank, it was a modification of the M48A2 made by West Germany.

The German military decided to use their own licensed copy of L7A3 cannon on their modified M48A2 platforms. The M48A2GA2 was for the most part identical armour wise to standard M48A2, although it did have a few unique additions like a thin steel plate in front of the original mantlet, a copula mounted MG3 installation, thermal gun sleeve, redesigned slim copula, rear turret stowage box, rear facing mirrors, modified ammunition stowage less total ammunition, modified fire control system, some mounting a laser designator over the barrel and passive night vision equipment.

And? The TAM was built by Germany for Argentine but I would rather have the TH 301 as that was intended for the German Army. 

T-54A -> replacement for Tiger 105

7.7-8.0 -> 7.0

It s not even a heavy tank and why should the Tiger 105 be replaced? Just fix it to real life blueprints. 

And I don't want to have copies from both sides not only East or West. 

11 hours ago, WulfPack said:

Ideally they'll change how RB and SB work.

Probably won't, Germany is going more and more to the modern day Germany and it will remain as a single tree. 

And they said regarding locking vehicles for a br or top rank that they will never do that as it will limit the players options and other things. Something I agree. + even if they separe them West Germany will still not team up with US or UK as they will stomp the russian tanks. It makes little sense to care for a separation of the East and West when the Matchmaking is Random Battles.

[WayOfTheWolk 1,573]

49 minutes ago, Nell_Lucifer said:

 

 

M47 is premium and I have nothing against it, add the T-54 as premium same thing for me.

M48A2GA2 is not a normal American tank, it was a modification of the M48A2 made by West Germany.

The German military decided to use their own licensed copy of L7A3 cannon on their modified M48A2 platforms. The M48A2GA2 was for the most part identical armour wise to standard M48A2, although it did have a few unique additions like a thin steel plate in front of the original mantlet, a copula mounted MG3 installation, thermal gun sleeve, redesigned slim copula, rear turret stowage box, rear facing mirrors, modified ammunition stowage less total ammunition, modified fire control system, some mounting a laser designator over the barrel and passive night vision equipment.

And? The TAM was built by Germany for Argentine but I would rather have the TH 301 as that was intended for the German Army. 

T-54A -> replacement for Tiger 105

7.7-8.0 -> 7.0

It s not even a heavy tank and why should the Tiger 105 be replaced? Just fix it to real life blueprints. 

And I don't want to have copies from both sides not only East or West. 

Probably won't, Germany is going more and more to the modern day Germany and it will remain as a single tree. 

And they said regarding locking vehicles for a br or top rank that they will never do that as it will limit the players options and other things. Something I agree. + even if they separe them West Germany will still not team up with US or UK as they will stomp the russian tanks. It makes little sense to care for a separation of the East and West when the Matchmaking is Random Battles.

The M48A2GA2 is more or less equivalent to the American M48A5 with the L7 gun, the differences aren't that unique. Here's my proposition to you, let the developers experiment with at least one of the T-72 variants and if it doesn't work out there will be no East German additions. If it proves to be a balanced vehicle however and is well received by the player base perhaps then the Germans can obtain other NVA vehicles. The devs have already said they are considering adding East German aircraft to the tree so I don't see why this couldn't happen. Furthermore if the Tiger II 105 and the Panther 2 are removed at a later date the Germans will require a suitable filler that isn't another prototype or paper design. West Germany is already used up at this point so the East will have to come.

[Nell_Lucifer 927]

10 minutes ago, Private_Wolk said:

The M48A2GA2 is more or less equivalent to the American M48A5 with the L7 gun, the differences aren't that unique. Here's my proposition to you, let the developers experiment with at least one of the T-72 variants and if it doesn't work out there will be no East German additions. If it proves to be a balanced vehicle however and is well received by the player base perhaps then the Germans can obtain other NVA vehicles. The devs have already said they are considering adding East German aircraft to the tree so I don't see why this couldn't happen. Furthermore if the Tiger II 105 and the Panther 2 are removed at a later date the Germans will require a suitable filler that isn't another prototype or paper design. West Germany is already used up at this point so the East will have to come.

Fine, but leave the WW2 stuff alone, Tiger 2 105 should only have a different gun and 5 crew members and nothing more (maybe HL234) Panther II should be remodeled into the 1943 prototype or replaces by the Panther F with the 88 DB schmalturm.

[Milocat 4,857]

I wouldn't mind seeing an East German T-54 (we have a sabre and MiG in the air tree) but I'm not sure how Gaijin would handle it.

[Stuhlfleisch 3,762]

On ‎06‎/‎01‎/‎2019 at 18:50, Milocat said:

I wouldn't mind seeing an East German T-54 (we have a sabre and MiG in the air tree) but I'm not sure how Gaijin would handle it.

Well if we look at all other east-German vehicles, that have been added to the German tech-tree so far, they were all in the standard tech-tree, no premiums or event vehicles, so going from Gaijin's previous statements regarding the subject, I think it is quite save to say, that the T-54A (along with all other potential east-German vehicles that may or may not come in the future) will be implemented into the normal tech-tree like any other researchable vehicle.

[WayOfTheWolk 1,573]

Add a new poll option for adding the tank under a Warsaw Pact matchmaker.

[Stuhlfleisch 3,762]

3 minutes ago, Private_Wolk said:

Add a new poll option for adding the tank under a Warsaw Pact matchmaker.

Oh yeah, forgot to update this one too, sorry xD

[NoodleCup31 8,824]

OMG, GIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIB

[Stuhlfleisch 3,762]

On ‎04‎/‎01‎/‎2019 at 13:14, kamikazi21358 said:

I couldn’t find it, but I thought there was a single elite group that got a small number.  But I could be wrong, and I very well could just be thinking of a Soviet guards group stationed in East Germany, which I know there were.  But I thought it was East German.

Sorry for the late reply, but yeah, what you mean are a few T-64As of the 32nd Guards-Division, that were stationed in east-Germany in 1985. East-Germany never adopted the T-64 for themselves.

[MasterOfUltramar 1,711]

+1 for Soviet T-Something tanks for Germany but -1 for being literally the worst T-Something tank post ww2.

[Stuhlfleisch 3,762]

21 hours ago, Manfred_Albrech said:

+1 for Soviet T-Something tanks for Germany but -1 for being literally the worst T-Something tank post ww2.

Thanks for the support!

Well, the T-54A is an improvement over the standard T-54 (1957), since it has a horizontal stabilizer, so I wouldn‘t call it the worst, but if you want to support other, more powerful, GDR tanks, I have a few other suggestions. Just click on my signature, there‘s a list of suggestions below the bigger list of possible additions. :P

[Borotovas 4,500]

+1

 

This is what we need.