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  1. 1. Do you want the F-14A to appear in the game in the future?

  2. 2. Do you want the F-14B to appear in the game in the future?

  3. 3. Do you want the F-14D to appear in the game in the future?



General Facts

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Role:                             Interceptor, air superiority and multirole combat aircraft
National origin:              United States
Manufacturer:                Grumman Aerospace Corporation
First flight:                     21 December 1970
Introduction:                  22 September 1974
Retired :                        22 September 2006 (United States Navy)
Status:                           In service with the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force
Primary users:               United States Navy, Imperial Iranian Air Force, Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force
Produced:                     1969–1991
Number built:                712
Unit cost:                      US$38 million (1998) ($19.2 million in 1977)

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Specifications

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General characteristics
Crew: 2 (Pilot and Radar Intercept Officer)
Length: 62 ft 9 in (19.1 m)
Wingspan: Spread: 64 ft (19.55 m) / Swept: 38 ft (11.58 m)
Height: 16 ft (4.88 m)
Wing area: 565 ft² basic, 1,008 ft² effective with lifting body (54.5 m² basic, 93.6 m² effective)
Airfoil: NACA 64A209.65 mod root, 64A208.91 mod tip
Empty weight: 43,735 lb (19,838 kg)
Loaded weight: 61,000 lb (27,700 kg)
Max. takeoff weight: 74,350 lb (33,720 kg)
Maximum fuel capacity: 16,200 lb (7,350 kg) internal; 20,000 lb (9,070 kg) with 2x 267 gal (1,010 L) external tanks
Powerplant: 2 × General Electric F110-GE-400 afterburning turbofans
Dry thrust: 16,610 lbf (73.9 kN) each / Thrust with afterburner: 28,200 lbf (134 kN) each

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Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 2.34 (1,544 mph, 2,485 km/h) at high altitude
Combat radius: 500 nmi (575 mi, 926 km)
Ferry range: 1,600 nmi (1,840 mi, 2,960 km)
Service ceiling: 50,000+ ft (15,200 m)
Rate of climb: >45,000 ft/min (229 m/s)
Wing loading: 96 lb/ft² basic, 48 lb/ft² effective (468.7 kg/m² basic, 234.36 kg/m² effective)
Thrust/weight: 0.88 (1.0 with loaded weight & 50% internal fuel)


Climb speed

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Avionics
Hughes AN/APG-71 radar
AN/ASN-130 Inertial navigation system, Infra-red search and track, TCS
Remotely Operated Video Enhanced Receiver (ROVER) upgrade

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Armament

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Guns: 1× 20 mm (0.787 in) M61A1 Vulcan 6-barreled Gatling cannon, with 675 rounds
Hardpoints: 10 total: 6× under-fuselage, 2× under nacelles and 2× on wing gloves, capacity: 14,500 lb (6,600 kg) of ordnance and/or fuel tanks
Missiles:
Air-to-air missiles: AIM-54 Phoenix, AIM-7 Sparrow, AIM-9 Sidewinder,
Loading configurations:
2× AIM-9 + 6× AIM-54
2× AIM-9 + 2× AIM-54 + 3× AIM-7 (Most common loadout option)
2× AIM-9 + 4× AIM-54 + 2× AIM-7
2× AIM-9 + 6× AIM-7
4× AIM-9 + 4× AIM-54
4× AIM-9 + 4× AIM-7
Bombs:
JDAM precision-guided munition (PGMs)
Paveway series of laser-guided bombs
Mk 80 series of unguided iron bombs
Mk 20 Rockeye II

Others:
Tactical Airborne Reconnaissance Pod System (TARPS)
LANTIRN targeting pod
2× 267 US gal (1,010 l; 222 imp gal) drop tanks

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History And Development 

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The F-14 Tomcat was one of the most expensive fighter project ever made. The unit price was already 17 million US dollars in 1972. Already at the introduction he was considered almost priceless. The high price also explains that the F-14 Tomcat next to the US only by the financially strong oil country Persia (now Iran) could be procured. The Tomcat is a twin-engine two-seater with swivel wing. In the carrier-supported aircraft, the modern construction method and the new materials deserve special attention. A quarter of the cell is made of titanium, an expensive metal that can withstand the friction heat generated at high speeds better than the conventional aluminum and lighter at the same time. In order to save weight, specially hardened and pressed synthetic resins have already been used for large areas of the elevator. The engines used the TF30 from Pratt & Whitney, the same engines as in the F-111 were installed. These two turbofans were always the weak point of this technologically advanced fighter aircraft. No other aircraft of that time was equipped with a more modern radar and fire control system than the Tomcat had. Hughes' AWG-9 radar was the first to detect and efficiently combat low-flying aircraft. In addition to cutting-edge radar-steered Phoenix missiles, the F-14 was also able to carry Sidewinder missiles with heat-seeking heads. For the close melee of the Tomcat was a cannon available. The aircraft carrier aircraft was used from 1972 to 2006 in the US Navy and was mothballed as cost reasons in the desert.

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...as for War Thunder... The F-14 could serve as a long range interceptor once...
A) gaijin gets radar working (Including FOX-1 and FOX-3 type AAM's) and...
B) we get bigger maps with the introduction of more powerful jets and...
C) we finally get updated Aircraft Carrier Models!!!!!

until then....

 

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ADDED POLL FOR A, B and D versions

Just now, Necrons31467 said:

I get that this is a ''down the road'' suggestion, but even then, isn't it still  abit early for this stuff?

tell that to the F-15 suggestion....

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F-14B yasssss. All the fast! Would be super cool if some of the aerodynamics quirks were implemented as well. Specifically things like roll reversal over 20 degrees of AoA (can be countered by using rudder instead since at that aoa the airflow over rudder is great for implementing those maneuvers) And the self stabilizing wing fluttering close to the edge of the flight envelope.

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I think this is making a step into tier 7 which is a fantasy right now. Wouldn't this thing's avionics be too advanced for tier 6? 

 

The AIM-54 would definitely be too good for tier 6. I don't know about the AIM-9 and AIM-7 because you didn't specify the variants :dntknw:

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3 minutes ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

I think this is making a step into tier 7 which is a fantasy right now. Wouldn't this thing's avionics be too advanced for tier 6? 

 

The AIM-54 would definitely be too good for tier 6. I don't know about the AIM-9 and AIM-7 because you didn't specify the variants :dntknw:

AIM-9L and AIM-7E-4

listed in the manuals

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7 minutes ago, dotEXCEL said:

AIM-9L and AIM-7E-4

listed in the manuals

 

Yeah, this thing wouldn't fit as a top tier 6. Too advanced.

 

If Gaijin announces that they want to go far enough to model radar with that performance, high performance heat seekers and radar guided missiles, I'll support this with all my heart. For now I'm only supposed to say no :(

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Just now, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

 

Yeah, this thing wouldn't fit as a top tier 6. Too advanced.

 

If Gaijin announces that they want to go far enough to model high performance heat seekers and radar guided missiles, I'll support this with all my heart. For now I'm only supposed to say no :(

they said that they are working on radar
one of the Q&A's

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1 minute ago, dotEXCEL said:

they said that they are working on radar
one of the Q&A's

 

Aren't there different sorts of radar guided missiles in terms of tech? Like in heat seekers you get the easy to dodge AIM-9B, then there's the all-aspect AIM-9X that can be fired from greater ranges and pull lots of Gs.

 

If that's a thing then wouldn't the AIM-7E-4 be too good for tier 6?

 

Now that aside, you got the AIM-9L, AIM-54 and highly advanced avionics :dntknw:

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15 minutes ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

 

Aren't there different sorts of radar guided missiles in terms of tech? Like in heat seekers you get the easy to dodge AIM-9B, then there's the all-aspect AIM-9X that can be fired from greater ranges and pull lots of Gs.

 

If that's a thing then wouldn't the AIM-7E-4 be too good for tier 6?

 

Now that aside, you got the AIM-9L, AIM-54 and highly advanced avionics :dntknw:

AIM-9L is already in the game... AH-1Z

''highly advanced avionics'' - not our problem... thats up for gaijin to model

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11 minutes ago, dotEXCEL said:

AIM-9L is already in the game... AH-1Z

''highly advanced avionics'' - not our problem... thats up for gaijin to model

 

Helicopter gameplay is vastly different, they explained why they added the AIM-9L to helis only. 

 

Yes it's up for them to model... for tier 7. This is not something for tier 6 and you know it :dntknw:

Yes it looks awesome, yes it's an icon, yes it has variable sweep, yes it's fast and yes it has really good missiles and radar (this is the problem lol) but it's not for tier 6. 

 

I want it as much as you do but it doesn't fit into tier 6's tech criteria :dntknw:

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17 minutes ago, dotEXCEL said:

''highly advanced avionics'' - not our problem... thats up for gaijin to model

 

This is kinda asking for the whole composite armour fiasco, only the aircraft equivalent of that.

 

Atleast, that's what it smells like.

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6 minutes ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

 

Helicopter gameplay is vastly different, they explained why they added the AIM-9L to helis only. 

 

Yes it's up for them to model... for tier 7. This is not something for tier 6 and you know it :dntknw:

Yes it looks awesome, yes it's an icon, yes it has variable sweep, yes it's fast and yes it has really good missiles and radar (this is the problem lol) but it's not for tier 6. 

 

I want it as much as you do but it doesn't fit into tier 6's tech criteria :dntknw:

never said anything about T6, havent i? i said FUTURE

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Just now, dotEXCEL said:

never said anything about T6, havent i? i said FUTURE

 

And the future is unclear, tier 7 is right now a fantasy. It's likely not to come either because you can't have tier 7 aviation without tier 7 tanks, and going up to tier 7 tanks means classified info everywhere. 

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8 minutes ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

 

And the future is unclear, tier 7 is right now a fantasy. It's likely not to come either because you can't have tier 7 aviation without tier 7 tanks, and going up to tier 7 tanks means classified info everywhere. 

that didnt stop them before... we can argue the whole day tho, i dont care. fact is i made a suggestion for future content. its not up to us to decide when the time is right. i made the suggestion just like ppl made the kpz 70 suggestion 1,5 years before it was introduced to the game. if this gets added in 1,5 to 2 years from now, whats the problem... besides that looking at armament... the AIM-9L for example was the only sidewinder the Germans used on their F-4F... so germany cant get an F-4? if you ask me, not our place to decide.

these suggestion are here to reflect the communitys wishes for the future of the game. nothing more, nothing less... in the end, its up to the dev's to decide what they want.
thats my final word on this matter.

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I really like the F14 too but I also think it's too early, let me just explaine myself (but it doesn't mean you cn't do the suggestion ;))

For me top tier VI will stop at the F4 phantom (don't know which variant) and the Mig 23 (don't know which variant too), the reason being that if we go to vietnam, the F4 is obviously be in the game, and because it is a Russian game, you can bet that they will aff the Mig 12 for "balance" and not just a Mig 21 bis.... From this idea you can expect similar type of aircraft for the other nation (like the Mirage F1...). During vietnam there was no BWR engagement, and i'm pretty sure that right now it's not what gaijin want... so they will I think stick to this idea of no BVR aircraft, and for me the F14, F15 are BVR ready

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9 minutes ago, dotEXCEL said:

that didnt stop them before... we can argue the whole day tho, i dont care. fact is i made a suggestion for future content. its not up to us to decide when the time is right. i made the suggestion just like ppl made the kpz 70 suggestion 1,5 years before it was introduced to the game. if this gets added in 1,5 to 2 years from now, whats the problem... besides that looking at armament... the AIM-9L for example was the only sidewinder the Germans used on their F-4F... so germany cant get an F-4? if you ask me, not our place to decide.

these suggestion are here to reflect the communitys wishes for the future of the game. nothing more, nothing less... in the end, its up to the dev's to decide what they want.
thats my final word on this matter.

 

Yep, seems like they won't get the F-4. 

 

The chances of tier 6 tanks happening were at least good enough, but for tier 7 that's close to none. If you want to have tier 7 aviation, you need to have tier 7 tanks at the same time. 

 

Lastly they said they don't want the game boring by having those high performing missiles and advanced tech in general :dntknw:

 

If they change that I'll support this 

5 minutes ago, Trotrodor said:

and the Mig 23 (don't know which variant too),

 

MiG-23S 

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1 hour ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

 

Yeah, this thing wouldn't fit as a top tier 6. Too advanced.

 

If Gaijin announces that they want to go far enough to model radar with that performance, high performance heat seekers and radar guided missiles, I'll support this with all my heart. For now I'm only supposed to say no :(

32 minutes ago, Necrons31467 said:

This is kinda asking for the whole composite armour fiasco, only the aircraft equivalent of that.

 

Atleast, that's what it smells like.

F-15 suggestion was made before this, that's even more advanced.

Besides, it's just a suggestion guys....
It's not like they're going to introduce it next patch or even this year.

 

If they do consider this "too advanced" they wouldn't have accepted the suggestion in the first place either, just sayin'.

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Oooooh baby...

Lets talk radar range

AN/AWG-9 has insane range... And in addition to insane range it can also track multiple targets

Now it just states range of up to 160km and ability to track 24 targets while searching and engage 6 targets simultaneously

 

Now you also suggested F-14D

F-14D has still improved radar, AN/APG-71... And while radar itslef is capable of around 700km range, antenna limits it to somewhere around 370km

Maps for BVR combat will need to be vastly expanded

 

I support this, and so does Maverick

 

 

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On 08/01/2019 at 21:27, dotEXCEL said:

they said that they are working on radar
one of the Q&A's

 

.... You realize that already aircafft like the F3D2 in 7.3  would have a  " search radar" or even the Mig19PT has a radar. . adding radar fuction doesnt mean leaping to an F14 is now all of a sudden viable  as there are far more mechanics needed for an aircraft of that caliber than jsut "radar"

 

 

On 08/01/2019 at 22:45, TyphoonCro said:

Oooooh baby...

Lets talk radar range

AN/AWG-9 has insane range... And in addition to insane range it can also track multiple targets

Now it just states range of up to 160km and ability to track 24 targets while searching and engage 6 targets simultaneously

 

Now you also suggested F-14D

F-14D has still improved radar, AN/APG-71... And while radar itslef is capable of around 700km range, antenna limits it to somewhere around 370km

Maps for BVR combat will need to be vastly expanded

 

I support this, and so does Maverick

 

 

 

 

sarcasm or serious?

 

like you point out, plane that ultimately would be able to track target and shoot down aircraft in air maps? Oh yeah would be so fun to take off and receive a Aim54 face first almost as soon as you touch off an airstrip......

 

 

Even if we had the technology and fleshedout "tier 6" and  were ready to start a tier 7, id say a Big NO  unless we vastly bigger air maps. Even if the Phoenix is removed for "balance" and strictly just carrying Aim9's and Aim7 Sparrow,s then the only other aircraft that has some sort of super excellent ranges and look down shoot down capability for radar , IS the  Mig31. and that is not anywhere near as flexible since basically just a fast interceptor that cant be used for practical air combat like the Tomcat can, nor does it have the versatility to be used for Air to ground. from a SB perspective the Tomcat would posses far better cockpit viability than a Mig31, which is  subpar.

 

On 08/01/2019 at 22:36, scavenjer said:

F-15 suggestion was made before this, that's even more advanced.

 

 

F15A might be more advanced , but this was largely around the fact of simply having a more automated Radar, more modern digital  computing < computer assisted flight controls, and  more sophisticated RWR , at least when comparing to the F14A/B models.  ( IE a single pilot can do everything in an ealge,  a Radar Intercept officer was not necessary) but the Tomcat  is more problematic because of the longer hitting reach it has against aircraft with the Aim54 Phoenix.( and it can carry up to 6 of them)

 

F14D has a a proper FBW system,  Glass cockpit, and is technically a "multi- role" aircraft, given the Multimode radar. It was also used with targeting pods, and guided muntions over A-Stan and 2003 Iraq  So it would very much be on par to the F-15E strike eagle minus Aim120 capability.

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 08/01/2019 at 22:36, scavenjer said:

If they do consider this "too advanced" they wouldn't have accepted the suggestion in the first place either, just sayin'


Thats not really an acceptable standard to assume what will get added or not. They allow just about anything in the suggestion threads these days, and that doesn't mean it will get passed to development, which in itself is not a guarantee it will enter development only that it will be viewed by someone at Gajin and considered.

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5 hours ago, RanchSauce39 said:

 

.... You realize that already aircafft like the F3D2 in 7.3  would have a  " search radar" or even the Mig19PT has a radar. . adding radar fuction doesnt mean leaping to an F14 is now all of a sudden viable  as there are far more mechanics needed for an aircraft of that caliber than jsut "radar"

 

F3D2 would already be able to carry 4 AIM-7's...

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