helicopter Westland WAH-64/AH.1 Apache "the bulldog"

[TerikG2014 1,389]

Based on the American AH-64D this license produced version of the apache is fairly unique. Fitted with the more powerful RTM-322 engine compared to the standard AH-64(2,100 hp vs 1,890 hp). athe WAH-64 came to fruition when it was decided that the lynx was not up to scratch for and airborne gunship role in modern combat. The MoD looked. At several options including the Eurocopter Tiger. The MoD selected the Apache under there condition that they could replace the engines with the RTM engines and refit several other systems including the main rotor blades which were replaced with foldable ones, a HIDAS(helicopter integrated defensive aids system) to assist I contering incoming threats, improved communications systems and a general avionics and sensor replacement. The  WAH-64 served notably in desert condition where they RTM engines required less modifications than their contemporaries due to the I built air filters.

 

Armament

• CRV-7. The CRV-7 is similar but noticeably more power than the Hydra 70 and FFAR. They were developed in 1970 by Bristol aerospace Canada as a replacement for the current US 70mm rockets. There primary feature was an upgraded rocket motor, it also featured a revised fuselages. Apart from being more powerful it is also decidedly more accurate with a dispersion of 3 milliradians. The CRV-7 featured several different warheads: HEPD(simple HE warhead with 10lb of explosive),  WDU-50001/B SAPHEI (semi-armor-piercing high-explosive incendiary), WDU-5002/B FAT Flechette Anti-Tank(5 solid tungsten flechette capable of piercing a T-72 side and top armour at 3,000m),WDU-500X/B General Purpose Flechette (80 1.5 inch flechette's capable of piercing 1.5inch RHA) , MPSM (multipurpose submunition, 9 M73 submunitions per rocket), CRV7-PG (precision guided) laser guided FAT.

• Brimstone (PROPOSED) . Similar in external appearance to a Hellfire the brimstone is a highly advanced  Air launched ATGM it has a flight speed of 450m/s and is guided by either millimetric radar or by a laser guidance giving it an accuracy of below a miliradian. It has fire and forget capability and is lethal to most armoured vehicles. It features a Tandem charge HEAT warhead.(12 missiles at any one time on 4 mounts each holding 3 missiles)

• Hellfire

• M320 chain gun

• Star Streak ATAM(Trialled)

Specifications

• Crew: 2

• Top speed: 205.052 mph

• Engine/power output: 2 X 850SHP Rolls-Royce/Turbomecha RTM-322

• Max Weight: 7746 KG

• Length: 17.5m

• Height:4.8m

• Rotor diameter: 14.63m

• Rate of climb: 12.7 m/s

• photos

Sources

Pages 181-183 and 22

16 Air Assault Brigade: The History of Britain's Rapid Reaction Force

By Tim Ripley

https://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/aircraft/

https://www.army-technology.com/projects/apache-ah-mk1-attack-helicopter/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AgustaWestland_Apache

Page 106

International Electronic Countermeasures Handbook

By Horizon House

Page 194,195

British Army Aviation in Action

By Tim Ripley

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AgustaWestland_Apache

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRV7

https://world-defense.com/threads/anti-tank-missiles-atgms.1317/page-2

https://www.army-technology.com/projects/brimstone/

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a18410/brimstone-missile-uk-david-cameron-isis/ 

https://youtu.be/xUbdkLnh1kA

 

 

Edited May 20, 2019 by TerikG2014
Confirmation of the existence and fitting of Air To Air StarstreaK( ATASK)

[leroyonly 4,311]

Open for discussion. 

[TerikG2014 1,389]

Just now, leroyonly said:

Open for discussion. 

thanks!

 

[jontyfreack 1]

I think we should also talk about those Star Streak ATAM/HVM/MANPADS/SAM.

 

I mean, a mach 4 KE (basically an APFSDS mach 4 shotgun) laser guided missile.

 

"After launch, the missile accelerates to more than Mach 4, making it the fastest short-range surface-to-air missile in the world. It then launches three laser beam riding submunitions, increasing the likelihood of a successful hit on the target."

This is a pretty impressive missile, but I don't think the AirToAirStarStreak is in service yet for helicopters, so it would be the most modern weapon in game because it would literally be from the future if added to the WAH-64/AH.1. However it would be a welcome addition for a top tier British SAM such as if the Stormer was added as a counter to other trees getting helicopters and super sonic aircraft.

 

Personally I would love to see it in game, but I think this will be one of the later vehicles to be added/if it is added soon might not have some of its really fun weapons which might make some people (like me who basically has a heart boner for the starstreak) dissapointed in its possible ingame performance, but hey we can never be too sure so it might as well be fun to chat about what else this beastly thing can bring to top tier.

 

Pure Tea Bags.

[TerikG2014 1,389]

Strictly speaking it does exist and is in trials and should techincal be done by now awating implementation

[TheFuzzieOne 3,355]

Apache has never mounted Starstreak, as far as I am aware. It was just a proposal, and never taken up. Happy to be proven wrong, but never seen anything on it being used.

 

Brimstone though, good lord no. That missile would be a gamebreaker. One Apache could instakill 16 people on the enemy team no matter what they're in with essentially zero miss rate at 40km away in a "single" shot. It's like asking for an M270 with a cruise missile, just not the kind of missile for this sort of game.

Edited January 24, 2019 by TheFuzzieOne

[TerikG2014 1,389]

2 hours ago, TheFuzzieOne said:

Apache has never mounted Starstreak, as far as I am aware. It was just a proposal, and never taken up. Happy to be proven wrong, but never seen anything on it being used.

 

Brimstone though, good lord no. That missile would be a gamebreaker. One Apache could instakill 16 people on the enemy team no matter what they're in with essentially zero miss rate at 40km away in a "single" shot. It's like asking for an M270 with a cruise missile, just not the kind of missile for this sort of game.

In relation to the star steak I believe that it get passed proposal and is being developed by Lockheed and McDonald- Douglas. I believe it is made reference to in Jane's Land-Based Air Defence 2005–2006(probably should have put that in the sources)

 

And in relation to Brimstone, I hardly think it's exceptionally unreasonable. The reason it's capable of nocking out aoany vehicles isn't to do with it's war head but is down to how you can launch a spread of them rapidly and each can target an individual unit. This would not be such a problem on the WAH-64 as it can only carry 8 unlike the 16 normal seen on a tornado also we do already have Hellfires in game

[Dawnst 15]

24 minutes ago, TerikG2014 said:

In relation to the star steak I believe that it get passed proposal and is being developed by Lockheed and McDonald- Douglas. I believe it is made reference to in Jane's Land-Based Air Defence 2005–2006(probably should have put that in the sources)

 

And in relation to Brimstone, I hardly think it's exceptionally unreasonable. The reason it's capable of nocking out aoany vehicles isn't to do with it's war head but is down to how you can launch a spread of them rapidly and each can target an individual unit. This would not be such a problem on the WAH-64 as it can only carry 8 unlike the 16 normal seen on a tornado also we do already have Hellfires in game

The brimstone missile is basically a hellfire on steroids in terms of penetration (although it is classified seeing as how it was designed to replace it i highly doubt it would be less) that also has a tandem HEAT warhead and the WAH-64 can carry 16 of them as well as 4 AAMs which are placed on the tips of the wing-lets. The viper is already cancerous enough but when they start to release SAM vehicles it will be balanced a bit better then but gaijins already opened the can of worms.

[TerikG2014 1,389]

43 minutes ago, Dawnst said:

The brimstone missile is basically a hellfire on steroids in terms of penetration (although it is classified seeing as how it was designed to replace it i highly doubt it would be less) that also has a tandem HEAT warhead and the WAH-64 can carry 16 of them as well as 4 AAMs which are placed on the tips of the wing-lets. The viper is already cancerous enough but when they start to release SAM vehicles it will be balanced a bit better then but gaijins already opened the can of worms.

Hmm can you show me the WAH-64 with 16 because I though it could only carry 8 on it's ATGM mounts

[TerikG2014 1,389]

Actually just took a quick look yeah I see what you mean

Edited January 25, 2019 by TerikG2014

[TerikG2014 1,389]

Yes having done some more research into it I definitely see what you mean about Brimstone being exceptionally powerful, simply due to it's unerring accuracy and fire and forget system

[oppsijustkilledu@psn 2,314]

Not to mention the range of brimstone aswell, you could stay all the way back at the airfield out the way of everything and just nuke everyone. 40km range the game would be over before it even started.

[TerikG2014 1,389]

True I mean talk about a powerful weapons system you can understand why everyone wants to buy them

[TerikG2014 1,389]

Ok so I did some more research it turns out it could on mount 3*4 on specalise triple mounts 

[Kingderper 6]

Hi Guys, To clear up a few things. The WAH 64 D cannot and does not carry Brimstone or any other ATGM. It hasn't even seen trails yet (talked to a friend at the trails squadron 667SQN). It can carry up to 16 Hellfire Variants. There are 4 of which, Semi active Laser, Radio Freq, thermobaric, and HEFrag. Also the British version CANNOT be fitted with AA missiles. They didn't buy the mounts or software for it. Other than that the WAH 64D is great, does good work and kicked **** in Libya and Afghan.

[TerikG2014 1,389]

2 hours ago, Kingderper said:

Hi Guys, To clear up a few things. The WAH 64 D cannot and does not carry Brimstone or any other ATGM. It hasn't even seen trails yet (talked to a friend at the trails squadron 667SQN). It can carry up to 16 Hellfire Variants. There are 4 of which, Semi active Laser, Radio Freq, thermobaric, and HEFrag. Also the British version CANNOT be fitted with AA missiles. They didn't buy the mounts or software for it. Other than that the WAH 64D is great, does good work and kicked **** in Libya and Afghan.

First of all 16 Hellfires pretty sure there ATGMS no? Also can you please provide me with sources for these statements rather than just your friend said it would make it easier to reliably update the post.

Edited February 2, 2019 by TerikG2014

[Kingderper 6]

Hi Guys, To clear up a few things. The WAH 64 D cannot and does not carry Brimstone or any other ATGM other than hellfire sorry for that. And sources Hows about the fact the MPS (mission planning system for the thing) doesn't have that set up for it. And talking to some more lads from the AAC, My old unit i can confirm they have never fitted AAM's to it.

[TerikG2014 1,389]

38 minutes ago, Kingderper said:

Hi Guys, To clear up a few things. The WAH 64 D cannot and does not carry Brimstone or any other ATGM other than hellfire sorry for that. And sources Hows about the fact the MPS (mission planning system for the thing) doesn't have that set up for it. And talking to some more lads from the AAC, My old unit i can confirm they have never fitted AAM's to it.

Can you provide me with a source sorry I just like to be sure 

[Kingderper 6]

I understand what you are saying, and to that end i will look and see if i have any of the old books/pams I had from the courses i did. But i will have to make sure that i can Post them on the internet as i did sign the damn act. So if it bares any restrictions I cannot share.

But i checked around with my old unit and so on and not one of them can recall a pilot firing a AAM of any kind from the AH 64. Rumor has it that it's something to do with the RAF wanting to maintain the Air supremacy while the army continue with Ground attack ONLY.  As for Brimstone i looked around, this site https://www.army-technology.com/projects/brimstone/ doesn't quote trails on Brit AH 64. 

[TerikG2014 1,389]

59 minutes ago, Kingderper said:

I understand what you are saying, and to that end i will look and see if i have any of the old books/pams I had from the courses i did. But i will have to make sure that i can Post them on the internet as i did sign the damn act. So if it bares any restrictions I cannot share.

But i checked around with my old unit and so on and not one of them can recall a pilot firing a AAM of any kind from the AH 64. Rumor has it that it's something to do with the RAF wanting to maintain the Air supremacy while the army continue with Ground attack ONLY.  As for Brimstone i looked around, this site https://www.army-technology.com/projects/brimstone/ doesn't quote trails on Brit AH 64. 

Fair enough I'll leave it but I'll say proposed never equipped 

[duckmartin 1,889]

Will Britain is purchasing 50+ AH-64Es and will be arming them with the brimstone missile. And they have even tested a AH-64E with brimstone.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2016-07-13/mbda-and-boeing-complete-successful-brimstone-trials-apache

[TheGhostlygunner 23]

No, we don't need more american vehicles in other trees. The British have their own helis.

[TerikG2014 1,389]

14 minutes ago, TheGhostlygunner said:

No, we don't need more american vehicles in other trees. The British have their own helis.

Ok what other option do we have after the lynx AH.9 ?

[duckmartin 1,889]

32 minutes ago, TheGhostlygunner said:

No, we don't need more american vehicles in other trees. The British have their own helis.

Actually it's a licensed built version of the AH-64D Apache called the Agusta Westland Apache AH MK1.

Changes from the AH-64D include Rolls-Royce Turbomeca engines, a new electronic defensive aids suite and a folding blade mechanism allowing the British version to operate from ships. The helicopter was initially designated WAH-64 by Westland Helicopters and was later given the designation Apache AH Mk 1

[oppsijustkilledu@psn 2,314]

3 hours ago, TheGhostlygunner said:

No, we don't need more american vehicles in other trees. The British have their own helis.

While yes the apache is American. This one is British it's constructed in Britain it has more powerful engines along with a good few other things. It's perfectly fine for addition.