Scrap this and just use EC as world war mode.

[VoiceOfThePeople 498]

As the title says, cut your losses with this world war mode crap battles, and use the Enduring Confrontation format for the "battles"

 

 

[Quasimodo91 3,325]

+1

i used to think that EC mode will be renamed WW mode after further development. we need something like il2 BoS and AW PvE mode combination.

[SvenTheFree 1,745]

+1

EC for WWM

[JimmyHat57971 37]

-1 vote, WWM over EC

[FlyingDoctor 812]

They're not the same. WW mode was to give the commanders control of the armies... EC is another mode all together.

 

Just because you didn't like WW mode, doesn't mean that EC is the only logical replacement. You could make another mission type yourself and hand it to the devs for consideration, but really, what's the chances of that happening.

 

EC should just be EC... Adding to it would be cool, but it's a question of if it can be done easily.

Assuming that things are simple and easily swappable, leads to issues when they try something like that, then it causes trouble, and then people would be raging at them, more than what they do already.

 

 

Remember, when those patches have minor bugs, and people cry that it's 'unplayable' and demand fixes? That kind of thing is a common occurrence among those who don't know development...

[Quasimodo91 3,325]

they have remove lot of old text now,where they mentioned original vision for WW mode, a single major dynamic battle over largest map area possible with all 3 element air,ground and naval working on same map with each other (ai and player). something like other flight sim are doing already and great at it. WW mode was supposed to become primary mode of WT,where anyone can join any moment and leave anytime you like,removing queue wait times. it wasn't supposed to be just another throw away mode like PvE,single player and tournaments. it was not supposed to be just another mode that had random small battle on existing tiny map with ai in it and keep calling it global war. letting commander control things on global scale is fine, but actual pilots and tankers are getting no fun out of it.

adding more and more game mode just scatters the player base and increase the queue times for each mode. which devs have continuously stated that they wont do that any cost,even used as excuse to not make change in other modes like same br mm , 0.7 br spread,decompressing BR ,making PvE a proper alternative to grind RP/silver,player suggested BR changes(properly done one) and very early era biplane/triplanes etc

it not just player's fault for demanding a good mode, gaijin actually hyped WW mode idea since early years as a best thing that ever going to happen in WT,without even working on it.  many player already left years ago waiting for WW mode.

near 7 years ago they posted this and let everyone have wild imaginations about it.

 

Edited June 21, 2019 by Quasimodo91

[Kaizy 2,348]

+1 WW mode has too many fundamental problems and its only future is forcing players into it by bribing them with good rewards (I wish they would do one season with no rewards so we can clearly see, how many players would play it them :)). I personally hope they will stop with the bribing and make the rewards meh, so I do not need to play it ever again. On the other hand, EC had decent attendance even without any rewards whatsoever, last time we had a chance to play it (autumn 2018), there were a lot of players, especially in the test battle without a markers.

 

Even this 1st beta test of WW was not that good numbers wise. Yes, I am sure number of unique players who tried it was high, but how long did majority of players played it? Well we can easily answer that question by looking at the leaderboard. Basically only 500 players wanting the AMX really "played" the mode, if you wanted the Spitfire, all you had to do was play for about 2-3 hours over the course of the whole season and you would easily be in top 2500, because so many ppl just did not give a damn and did not play after 1-2 operations anymore. And all of them will not need to test WW again next season, so I wonder how many ppl will play then. And these clever arguments some delusional folks from dev team were spreading like "more ppl play WWM than EC" (which we did not have in almost a year now) are not only not valid, but I am sure that in a similar conditions (rewards for playing EC), they would be pretty surprised by how many players would play EC.

[FlyingDoctor 812]

Really, there's more blame to be put on those squadrons that tested it in the first tests, for not saying what was wrong with it, if 'no-one' likes it.

 

Just so you all know, this wasn't the first time it was active, as there was a prior test, where people knew this was the way the mode ran.

 

Any preconceptions that you all formed, was purely your own.

 

 

This attitude of 'scrap it' is in the same realm as those who say to remove certain maps because they don't like it... It won't happen, and unless you actually explain and communicate what is wrong with it, you're doing nothing but whinging.

Edited June 21, 2019 by FlyingDoctor

[SvenTheFree 1,745]

3 hours ago, FlyingDoctor said:

Really, there's more blame to be put on those squadrons that tested it in the first tests, for not saying what was wrong with it, if 'no-one' likes it.

 

Just so you all know, this wasn't the first time it was active, as there was a prior test, where people knew this was the way the mode ran.

 

Any preconceptions that you all formed, was purely your own.

Open Beta give the true feedback, BUT it is necessary that the Gaijin listen the Community and do more tests to try to find a better solution, the actual WWmode only works if they reward us vehicles .

Edited June 21, 2019 by SvenTheFree

[FlyingDoctor 812]

39 minutes ago, SvenTheFree said:

Open Beta give the true feedback, BUT it is necessary that the Gaijin listen the Community and do more tests to try to find a better solution, the actual WWmode only works if they give us vehicles .

 

What?

 

Like, what I see as the issue, is that no-one actually spends time to test anything unless there is a reward for them doing so... Which almost seems to be wrong.

 

If you are mentioning the vehicles because of the lineups that were offered to use, then that's a null issue. They wouldn't want you using your high teir stuff in battles straight off the bat. It ruins the testing for anyone else, and excludes a lot of people because they won't have access to all those high end vehicles.

 

 

Seriously though, there are 2 ways to provide feedback, doing so in calculated, reasoned, and explained methods, and then there's this literal 'I don't like it so it should be removed' scenario.

 

If people placed real feedback rather than 'Nope, don't like it' then maybe they'd have real credentials.

 

Insta-removal isn't any way to move a mode forward... This is why I mentioned about those who want maps removed because they don't like them. Often those maps are reworked, and this will be the same with this mode.

 

EC is totally different, and isn't the same as what WW mode is.

[Kaizy 2,348]

1 hour ago, FlyingDoctor said:

Really, there's more blame to be put on those squadrons that tested it in the first tests, for not saying what was wrong with it, if 'no-one' likes it.

 

Just so you all know, this wasn't the first time it was active, as there was a prior test, where people knew this was the way the mode ran.

 

Any preconceptions that you all formed, was purely your own.

 

 

This attitude of 'scrap it' is in the same realm as those who say to remove certain maps because they don't like it... It won't happen, and unless you actually explain and communicate what is wrong with it, you're doing nothing but whinging.

 

25 minutes ago, FlyingDoctor said:

 

What?

 

Like, what I see as the issue, is that no-one actually spends time to test anything unless there is a reward for them doing so... Which almost seems to be wrong.

 

If you are mentioning the vehicles because of the lineups that were offered to use, then that's a null issue. They wouldn't want you using your high teir stuff in battles straight off the bat. It ruins the testing for anyone else, and excludes a lot of people because they won't have access to all those high end vehicles.

 

 

Seriously though, there are 2 ways to provide feedback, doing so in calculated, reasoned, and explained methods, and then there's this literal 'I don't like it so it should be removed' scenario.

 

If people placed real feedback rather than 'Nope, don't like it' then maybe they'd have real credentials.

 

Insta-removal isn't any way to move a mode forward... This is why I mentioned about those who want maps removed because they don't like them. Often those maps are reworked, and this will be the same with this mode.

 

EC is totally different, and isn't the same as what WW mode is.

 

Were you in the closed beta test that ran for over two years? I guess no. Because if you were (like I was) you would know that since the very begining, players were telling Gaijin that the mode has FUNDAMENTAL problems and if those are not resolved, the mode will never work. What happened? Nothing. Pretty much the same thing continued, a lot of testers were from RB (as we hoped that WW will be basically improved and more interesting EC mode), so there was a lot of criticism over it being AB/RB mixture and truth be told, some changes happened. But at the same time a lot of really good players, who knew the game inside out and provided valuable feedback, just gave up and from what I know, a lot of them are not playing anymore. So all devs did were minor changes that did nothing about the mode as a whole. Which players again told Gaijin. Almost afte every closed beta patch there were posts once again repeating, that small fixes are nice, but there are bigger issues that are not being resolved at all.

 

So yeah, I am pretty sure that if anybody wanted, they could have get ton of very good feedback about how WW is received from the get go and make the changes in the begining. But again, nothing happened. And I would say majority of closed beta testers were pretty sure that WW mode will not be success... well... because they played it. I was sure too and still am sure. People generally know when they have fun. And testers generally did not have fun and told Gaijin about that. But the problem is not about how to fix it, the problem is, that like in countless other instances, failures and issues with this whole game, there were many ideas and suggestions, but nobody cared about them, so in the end nothing changed. And at this point nothing will change and they will have to bribe us with awesome rewards and potential to make big sums of GJN on the market to force us to play it. Thats that.

Edited June 21, 2019 by Kaizy

[SvenTheFree 1,745]

28 minutes ago, FlyingDoctor said:

....

If you are mentioning the vehicles because of the lineups that were offered to use, then that's a null issue. They wouldn't want you using your high teir stuff in battles straight off the bat. It ruins the testing for anyone else, and excludes a lot of people because they won't have access to all those high end vehicles.

...

 

Not the lineup, but the reward.

Quote

...If people placed real feedback rather than 'Nope, don't like it' then maybe they'd have real credentials...

Some feedback was made correctly, with valid arguments, but... let see the next WW mode will have any changes. 

 

What i see during the test is people not satisfied with the hybrid mode used, a mix between Arcade and Realistic, with Air full Arcade and Ground Realistic with Scout marks , with some strange answers by the Developer to feedback, the we see a poll which was not neutral, almost led the answers to where the Gaijin wants...  this was negative for World War Mode and Warthunder.

 

 I hope that after the Yesterday Poll Gaijin do something about Word War mode, lots of new games are around the corner and let see if the are capable to maintain the game population. 

 

Edited June 21, 2019 by SvenTheFree

[Kaizy 2,348]

Btw. for those wanting EC, there is RB EC event running this weekend

https://warthunder.com/en/news/6253-event-maginot-line-en

[FlyingDoctor 812]

1 minute ago, Kaizy said:

Btw. for those wanting EC, there is RB EC event running this weekend

https://warthunder.com/en/news/6253-event-maginot-line-en

 

'But it's not ground vehicles' which is apparently what people wanted.......

Edited June 21, 2019 by FlyingDoctor

[SvenTheFree 1,745]

35 minutes ago, Kaizy said:

Btw. for those wanting EC, there is RB EC event running this weekend

https://warthunder.com/en/news/6253-event-maginot-line-en

EC for planes and "event battle" for Ground Forces Realistic.  

 

 

 

[Le_Mofoman@psn 1,707]

11 hours ago, Quasimodo91 said:

near 7 years ago they posted this and let everyone have wild imaginations about it.

Yeah, they hyped us with something largescale only to get a nation matchmaking where one side will be absolutely imbalanced, you get the same 3 maps over and over again and you also have to deal with squadrons using exploits.

If they removed the rewards nobody would play.

[FlyingDoctor 812]

8 hours ago, SvenTheFree said:

Not the lineup, but the reward.

 

This comes back on the players really, as if they can't be bothered trying something without being urged to do so in a rewarding sense, then they are only doing it to win, and when they get outplayed, and lose, they get all angry and give up.

So many if they don't get a good outcome, decide that their out for the rest of the event and don't bother having another go, or trying again to change their mind.

Many of those who would be saying the mode is bad, would've only played one or 2 matches, and wouldn't have stuck around for an entire operation, and chances are a few of those people, also joined matches without commanders.

 

Some of these things, are actually being looked at...

[Pecanin 1,047]

21 hours ago, FlyingDoctor said:

 

Remember, when those patches have minor bugs, and people cry that it's 'unplayable' and demand fixes? That kind of thing is a common occurrence among those who don't know development...

 

 

Lolz .entire thing is one big bug

[FlyingDoctor 812]

46 minutes ago, xxx_freelancer_x said:

 

 

Lolz .entire thing is one big bug

 

And this, is the non-constructive comment that I was referring to... Thanks for proving my point...

[EdwinVonBoxberg 1,656]

Well replacing Wwmode entirely with EC is just silly and not going to happen.

 

However, replacing current missions based on the already used tiny random battles maps with the bigger EC maps is something that I'm all for. There is currently a project aimed at adapting already existing air maps to air+ground+navy. That can surely be worked on.

Edited June 22, 2019 by EdwinVonBoxberg

[SvenTheFree 1,745]

4 hours ago, EdwinVonBoxberg said:

Well replacing Wwmode entirely with EC is just silly and not going to happen.

 

However, replacing current missions based on the already used tiny random battles maps with the bigger EC maps is something that I'm all for. There is currently a project aimed at adapting already existing air maps to air+ground+navy. That can surely be worked on.

EC are TRUE Operations 

World War mode is Clickbait with 15 min battles...

 

Edited June 22, 2019 by SvenTheFree

[JimmyHat57971 37]

World War mode brings in tons of new players to the squadron.  Fewer people play EC because the missions are too long. 

[SvenTheFree 1,745]

36 minutes ago, JimmyHat57971 said:

World War mode brings in tons of new players to the squadron.  Fewer people play EC because the missions are too long. 

All Squadrons receive tons off players, but this don't make World War mode better. 

People don't know who EC works, you can leave anytime and you will receive the rewards at the end of the battle, helping you team winning is the goal. 

Let see if the number of players playing War Thunder will increase or decrease... 

 

 

Edited June 22, 2019 by SvenTheFree

[FoxBetty 143]

No no no no!

Please don't bring people that made wwm into EC.

Their idea of fun is exactly opposite of what EC is.

Whatever their visions are should stay in their respective mode.

People (or 1 guy as I remember) that is working on EC is doing great job and I don't want to see any new influx of "bright" ideas that will turn it into another crap.

[FlyingDoctor 812]

4 hours ago, FoxBetty said:

No no no no!

Please don't bring people that made wwm into EC.

Their idea of fun is exactly opposite of what EC is.

Whatever their visions are should stay in their respective mode.

People (or 1 guy as I remember) that is working on EC is doing great job and I don't want to see any new influx of "bright" ideas that will turn it into another crap.

 

That's not what they are suggesting...

 

They're suggesting to remove WW mode, and bring EC in as it's replacement.

 

 

Which they are the complete opposite of each other, and are for completely opposite purposes.