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  1. 1. Would you like to see this plane in game?

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  2. 2. What BR should it be? (Keep in mind that it can carry gunpods along with missiles, however performance is not best)

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Hello everyone,

I wanted to write this suggestion for long time but never got around to it... However, finally having some more time, I decided to write suggestion for A-6E

A-6E did not have built in guns but it was able to carry gunpods, which I will explain in a bit, so lets get started.

(Mild disclaimer, I will not write everything, since some pages in manual give quite good description)

 

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A-6 Intruder at NAS Oceana

 

Description

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(Taken from "NATOPS Flight Manual for Navy Model A-6E Aircraft" NAVAIR 01-85ADF-1

- The A-6E Intruder, an improved version of the A-6A, is a two-place, twin-engine monoplane manufactured by the Grumman Aerospace Corporation, Bethpage, Long Island, New York. The aircraft is designed for true-all weather attack and can carry a payload of 8.5 tons. A wide variety of weapons can be delivered without crew ever having seen the ground or target. The aircraft can be refueled in-fllight and can also be used as a tanker. A single-point ground refueling capability shortens turnaround time and eases the normal fueling process. The main differences between the A-6E and A-6A are the installation in the A-6E of an improved computer that is faster and has greater memory capacity; a search radar with track capabilities; and an improved weapon release system.

 

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Cockpit

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Standard A-6E

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A-6E TRAM

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Weapon systems

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Now this is part that is important for A-6E, why? Because it can carry MK.4 gunpods

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MK.4 Gunpod is mentioned in Digital Display Unit Readout

Above in SAC, it is shown that A-6E can carry up to for AERO-7A bomb racks and MK.4 uses just that bomb rack in order to be carried on plane

(So theoretically, A-6E can carry up to 4 HIPEGs)

 

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Important bit here is (I will qoute it):

GUNS

- The GUNS position allows for the simultaneous firing of the gun pods on the stations selected

 

Again, all that is needed for MK.4 HIPEGs to be put on plane, is that it needs to have AERO-7A bomb rack

 

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Again, interesting bit about gun pods:

- The ACU allows the crew to control, arm and release various weapons, fire guns, rockets, and missiles, and to jettison weapons selectively or simultaneously. Bombs, rockets and missiles are released in either an automatic or manual mode of operation. Guns are only fired in manual mode.

 

I would also like to note that A-6E should NOT be able to carry AIM-9L, however it should be limited to AIM-9G or later to AIM-9H

 

As a sidenote I will put this photo in here

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I would like to suggest armament option of having two MK.4 HIPEGs and two Sidewinders (HIPEGs on inner stations, stations 2 and 4; Sidewinders on outer stations, stations 1 and 5)

(Or MK.4 HIPEG on inner stations and any other available bomb/missile/rocket launcher type of armament on outer stations and/or fuselage station)

Moving on...

 

Specifications

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A-6E (TRAM) - 1979

 

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A-6E - 1971

 

I decided to put both, because A-6E (TRAM) mentiones AERO-7A bomb racks necessary for MK.4 HIPEG gunpods

 

Dimensions (taken from SAC)

 

Wing area - 528.9 sq. ft.  -  49.13 m^2

Span - 53ft  -  16.15 m

Length - 54ft 9in  -  16.68 m

Height - 16ft 2.04in  -  4.92 m

 

Empty weight - 25,980 lbs  -  11,784.32 kg

Combat weight (Hi-Lo-Lo-Hi) - 45,543 lbs  -  20,657.95 kg

 

Performance

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Again, I will put both TRAM and standard variant

 

TRAM

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Standard A-6E

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Photographs

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A-6E Intruder and EA-6B Prowler parked on deck of USS America (CV-66)

 

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A-6E Intruders of VA-75 "Sunday Punchers" along with S-3 Viking

 

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A-6E Intruder at sunset

 

Sources:

- NATOPS Flight Manual for Navy Model A-6E Aircraft - NAVAIR 01-85ADF-1

- NATOPS Flight Manual for Navy Model A-6E TRAM/SWIP Aircraft - NAVAIR 01-85ADF-1

- Standard Aircraft Characteristics for Navy Model A-6E Aircraft - NAVAIR 00-110AA6-5, November 1971

- Standard Aircraft Characteristics for Grumman A-6 E (TRAM) Intruder - NAVAIR 00-110AA6-5, November 1979

 

Thank you for reading!

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+1 would already fit with current top tiers.

 

 

Its a shame it doesnt have any internal guns but its a neat subsonic attack aircraft that packs a big punch.

 

Was a pretty advanced aircraft for its time. Probably the most potent Night attack capable aircaft until F/A18 Hornets entered USN service.

 

 

Also to the OP the cockpit image of the A6E doesnt match the one from the manual. What you posted was in fact proposed modernization for the E's that never came to fruition. A6E's didnt get Multipurpose  displays.

 

 

later A6E's, there was an addition of a Tv screen above the Radar scope for the Bombardier navigators position with the new model introduced in 1979 : The A6E TRAM, which introduced an onboard FLIR optical sensor for all weather targeting and designation of precision  ( laser) guided muntions.

 

 

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7 hours ago, RanchSauce39 said:

+1 would already fit with current top tiers.

 

 

Its a shame it doesnt have any internal guns but its a neat subsonic attack aircraft that packs a big punch.

 

Was a pretty advanced aircraft for its time. Probably the most potent Night attack capable aircaft until F/A18 Hornets entered USN service.

 

 

Also to the OP the cockpit image of the A6E doesnt match the one from the manual. What you posted was in fact proposed modernization for the E's that never came to fruition. A6E's didnt get Multipurpose  displays.

 

 

later A6E's, there was an addition of a Tv screen above the Radar scope for the Bombardier navigators position with the new model introduced in 1979 : The A6E TRAM, which introduced an onboard FLIR optical sensor for all weather targeting and designation of precision  ( laser) guided muntions.

 

 

 

Hmm, very well, I will remove that cockpit image...

Also the reason I put A-6E (TRAM) was because SAC mentions AERO-7A racks, which can carry MK.4 HIPEG

(I wasn't sure if standard A-6E was able to carry AERO-7A, most probably it was)

And as I said, theoretically, it can carry up to four MK.4 gunpods

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14 hours ago, TyphoonCro said:

 

Hmm, very well, I will remove that cockpit image...

Also the reason I put A-6E (TRAM) was because SAC mentions AERO-7A racks, which can carry MK.4 HIPEG

(I wasn't sure if standard A-6E was able to carry AERO-7A, most probably it was)

And as I said, theoretically, it can carry up to four MK.4 gunpods

 

dont get me wrong, would be interesting if there was also a TRAM variant  included for the added capabilities like the targeting sensor, and being able to self designate Laser guided munitions In fact id argue would be preferable, given the ever more expanding set of SPAA that have Radar and missiles.

 

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Also found some manual images of the A6E TRAM cockpit from the manual

 

 

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On 23/07/2019 at 00:57, RanchSauce39 said:

 

dont get me wrong, would be interesting if there was also a TRAM variant  included for the added capabilities like the targeting sensor, and being able to self designate Laser guided munitions In fact id argue would be preferable, given the ever more expanding set of SPAA that have Radar and missiles.

 

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Also found some manual images of the A6E TRAM cockpit from the manual

 

 

 

Alright, I'll put them in

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After reading a bit more through manual I did find more info for gunpods

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Under "Tanks/Pods and Sensors"

MK.4 is listed which is very nice

 

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MK.4 is also listed in this Drag Count table, however due to poor quality I wasn't able to use it

 

MK.4 is interesting gunpod which uses one cannon with two barrels, the MK.11 20mm cannon

Gunpod itself contains 750rds of ammunition and has rate of fire of 4200rds/minute (If my math is correct it would be 70rds/s)

Now in game, A-6E should be limited to two MK.4 gunpods since even then it would have quite a punch

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I had it at 10.7 along side the A-10A & A-7E. All of these bring a devastating payload of conventional bombs, cluster bombs (needs to be added), air to ground missiles (all could use the AGM-65 Mavericks). Also CCIP (constant calculated impact point) for bombing, meaning you get a legit bomb reticule that makes them way more lethal then the current dive bombing fighters.

 

Plus all sorts of IR and Chaff dispensers.

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On 12/08/2019 at 20:04, CK_16 said:

I had it at 10.7 along side the A-10A & A-7E. All of these bring a devastating payload of conventional bombs, cluster bombs (needs to be added), air to ground missiles (all could use the AGM-65 Mavericks). Also CCIP (constant calculated impact point) for bombing, meaning you get a legit bomb reticule that makes them way more lethal then the current dive bombing fighters.

 

Plus all sorts of IR and Chaff dispensers.

 

AGM65's came later in A6 and A7 service life. IF added Gajin can just  say they are representing them at their initial service dates or something, thus making a valid historical  reason to not add them beyond " cuse balance"

 

Just how F9F cougars didnt get Aim9's from day 1 or how F86F's were only modded with aim9's a number of years after korea.

 

 

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On 12/08/2019 at 22:04, CK_16 said:

I had it at 10.7 along side the A-10A & A-7E. All of these bring a devastating payload of conventional bombs, cluster bombs (needs to be added), air to ground missiles (all could use the AGM-65 Mavericks). Also CCIP (constant calculated impact point) for bombing, meaning you get a legit bomb reticule that makes them way more lethal then the current dive bombing fighters.

 

Plus all sorts of IR and Chaff dispensers.

 

Well, if you go by manual I used in main post, the one from May 1 1973, then you will see that there is no Maverick

 

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Maverick is not listed here... Now I don't know what version Navy used and when but for now lets stick to this manual.. So no Mavericks for now

However, A-6E was able to carry guided bomb, the AGM-62 Walleye TV guided bomb

 

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I mean the image with the missile firing I am pretty sure is an AGM-65. I recall seeing that one before.

 



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1 minute ago, CK_16 said:

I mean the image with the missile firing I am pretty sure is an AGM-65. I recall seeing that one before.

 

Yes, however if you notice that version is TRAM

Standard A-6E was not able to carry it

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True, guess I meant I had the TRAM at 10.7 or so with the A-10 & A-7E later on that each one of them could bring a fairly lethal payload of guided and unguided options.

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With the F-4C and MiG-21 in the game this would be a great top-tier attack aircraft for the U.S. tree.  +1.

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Just now, Milocat said:

With the F-4C and MiG-21 in the game this would be a great top-tier attack aircraft for the U.S. tree.  +1.

 

Indeed it would be

However, piece of weaponry I mentioned so many time in this topic, has been added to game on US H34 helicopter

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The MK.4 gunpod with MK.11 20mm gun

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After the Skyhawks, this is the next logical addition to the US Naval Attacker line (along with the A-7 Corsair II).  iirc the A-6 IS compatible with certain gunpods if that sort of thing is required.

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21 hours ago, Z3r0_ said:

iirc the A-6 IS compatible with certain gunpods

 

As I mentioned multiple times here...

Indeed it is, capable with up to 4 MK.4 gunpods because all four wing stations can have AERO-7A rack (rack required to mount MK.4 gunpod)

 

What I would like to see is A2A load out for A-6E, two Sidewinders (outer wing stations) with two gunpods (inner wing stations)

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I'm not sure that this aircraft got AIM-9 in the first place, to bombing missions,... 

 

I mean this kind of aircraft were under A2A Main Role Aircraft protection, for main times missions. 

 

Eventually and to protect itself from enemy fighters, i could understand if this was mounted for "Refueling Mission" with 3 Tanks+ basket system, and 2 AIM-9. 

 

Or with heavy ordonnances Mk83/Mk84 Loadouts due to special needs to attack a rearline supply depot or airfield. 

 

But I'm not sure this was extensively used amongst A-6's

 

Is there any source relating on this Sidewinder use more correctly? 

 

 

 

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41 minutes ago, Cpt_Bel_V said:

Is there any source relating on this Sidewinder use more correctly?

 

There isnt better source than manual and SAC

 

SAC below

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AIM-9D/G/H/L on stations 1,2,4,5

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56 minutes ago, TyphoonCro said:

 

There isnt better source than manual and SAC

 

SAC below

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AIM-9D/G/H/L on stations 1,2,4,5

Ok, that's the possible usage by pylons.

 

And what about historical ordonnances choices? :)

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1 hour ago, Cpt_Bel_V said:

Ok, that's the possible usage by pylons.

 

And what about historical ordonnances choices? :)

 

From what I know, gunpods were flown on A-6E, the MK.4s

But Sidewinders were more common appearance on Intruders 

 

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Usually inner stations were bombs or other guided missiles (like Harpoon) but outer stations would be Sidewinders

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On 29/02/2020 at 14:52, Cpt_Bel_V said:

I'm not sure that this aircraft got AIM-9 in the first place, to bombing missions,... 

 

I mean this kind of aircraft were under A2A Main Role Aircraft protection, for main times missions. 

 

Eventually and to protect itself from enemy fighters, i could understand if this was mounted for "Refueling Mission" with 3 Tanks+ basket system, and 2 AIM-9. 

 

Or with heavy ordonnances Mk83/Mk84 Loadouts due to special needs to attack a rearline supply depot or airfield. 

 

But I'm not sure this was extensively used amongst A-6's

 

Is there any source relating on this Sidewinder use more correctly? 

 

 

There's some pictures of them with Sidewinders, and they did carry them in combat

 

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