ground vehicles Panzer 61 SAMM

[AspandaIV 376]

14 minutes ago, WayOfTheWolk said:

I'm sorry but that's such a flawed mentality. By your standards Yugoslavia, a historically non-aligned country should also go into the Swedish tech tree despite having no actual cultural or political ties with one another.

I never stated that Swiss vehicles should be in the Yugoslav TT, Switzerland and Yugoslavia should never be in the same TT for obvious reasons, I specifically stated Sweden because they are not only non aligned nations but they are also ideologically similar and Sweden lacks GE premiums of their own while France has a couple. Don't forget that it's possible to have more than one non-aligned country to be represented ingame as a full TT, Yugoslavia can easily be represented on their own with little to no issue in terms of gaps and relying to copy n pasting in their TT's, Switzerland can possibly have their own TT's but it would suffer from the same issues that the Swedish TT currently has (i.e having some major gaps that could potentially never be filled in on it's own), and combining the two TT's is one solution to that issue. Another issue is that fragmenting nation's vehicles based on who co-developed them vehicles can lead to vehicles from the same nation facing each other regardless if it's a mixed battle or not without a valid reason to do so, this can easily ruin the feel of the game. It probably won't be a huge issue in the case of Switzerland (it really depends on which TT's Gaijin decides to add the other Swiss vehicles) but it would especially be a problem with other nations (e.g: Argentina, Israel & Romania). 
 

43 minutes ago, WayOfTheWolk said:

Second the Panzer 61 is a largely native Swiss design.

Yes hence why i don't want it in the French TT, again because France has plenty of tanks of their own to be potential GE Premium's/Event vehicles

[WayOfTheWolk 1,573]

1 hour ago, AspandaIV said:

I never stated that Swiss vehicles should be in the Yugoslav TT, Switzerland and Yugoslavia should never be in the same TT for obvious reasons, I specifically stated Sweden because they are not only non aligned nations but they are also ideologically similar and Sweden lacks GE premiums of their own while France has a couple. Don't forget that it's possible to have more than one non-aligned country to be represented ingame as a full TT, Yugoslavia can easily be represented on their own with little to no issue in terms of gaps and relying to copy n pasting in their TT's, Switzerland can possibly have their own TT's but it would suffer from the same issues that the Swedish TT currently has (i.e having some major gaps that could potentially never be filled in on it's own), and combining the two TT's is one solution to that issue. Another issue is that fragmenting nation's vehicles based on who co-developed them vehicles can lead to vehicles from the same nation facing each other regardless if it's a mixed battle or not without a valid reason to do so, this can easily ruin the feel of the game. It probably won't be a huge issue in the case of Switzerland (it really depends on which TT's Gaijin decides to add the other Swiss vehicles) but it would especially be a problem with other nations (e.g: Argentina, Israel & Romania). 
 

Yes hence why i don't want it in the French TT, again because France has plenty of tanks of their own to be potential GE Premium's/Event vehicles

I have no conflict with a Swiss ground forces tree, in fact I would welcome it and the Panzer 61 SAMM would make a nice premium for said tech tree. That said even if Switzerland were ever added they would be likely fighting with the allies anyway for reasons of historical practicality. However given our current options it would make sense for this vehicle to enter the French tech tree right now given the French involvement with this particular vehicle. I feel you are forgetting this isn't just any ordinary Panzer 61, this is a specially modified copy. While you mention that France has similar vehicles that could be added, anyone has yet to see those vehicles implemented and as far as we know Gaijin has no intention of adding them. This is just another idea for Gaijin to consider. 

[to_play_for_free 13]

i think since im enjoying my self here (on the servers) i would contribute a bit (i am a WoT player)

 

im not sure about the panzer 61 the Swiss tank because it has already implemented it as a tier 8 prem it just seems to me a bit like a lot has been copied from a game 2 years older than this one like it seems were copying tanks and other thing like free rp that is only usable if you pay (free xp) and so and so a things obviously i am a bit biased to certain tanks coming into the game and some not. say the ELC EVEN 90 that i would like to see in the game but only because it was one of my favourites from WoT  and if it was implemented i would buy it as a premium but either way dont listen to me cuz im not at top tier i just xxxx around up to 5.7

 

[PenguinRed 328]

+1

I would love to see this bad boy ingame!

[Solarmod 1,204]

On 22/07/2020 at 18:53, AspandaIV said:

I'm not against the Panzer 61 being added to WT, however i am against the Panzer 61's being added to France, if anything i prefer if the Panzer 61's to be either in a independent Austro-Swiss TT

Someone may or may not be finishing his up by April so keep an eye out  

[spacesoldier117 876]

46 minutes ago, Solarmod said:

Someone may or may not be finishing his up by April so keep an eye out  

Are you talking about the vehicle or the TT?

[Solarmod 1,204]

On 25/01/2021 at 19:58, spacesoldier117 said:

Are you talking about the vehicle or the TT?

Austro-Swiss tree

[WayOfTheWolk 1,573]

Honestly if Germany received the SK-105 and France got this at the same time I think we'd have less of an issue concerning conflicting technologies. 

[Cedjoe 5,482]

Would be a perfect event or premium vehicle for France 

+1

[Sternjaeger84 1,076]

4 hours ago, WayOfTheWolk said:

Honestly if Germany received the SK-105 and France got this at the same time I think we'd have less of an issue concerning conflicting technologies. 

Well Sk 105 has French shells and turret, but is Austrian, so I consider its place in the German TT.

 

But really, it would be nice to see some Swiss panzers in the French tree, premium or standard, I don't care.

[hom3er 154]

-1

I really don't see why this should be added to the french tech tree. (or any other Swiss tank/plane for that matter). Sure the countries are neighbors and 23% of the population speaks french, but that's it. There is nothing else that really connects Switzerland with France. At least not more that any other European nation. With the SA tech tree, there is at least the whole commonwealth and British colonies thing that can be brought up as an argument.

 

Either have a standalone Swiss tree, for which there are plenty of unique vehicles or make a Swiss-Austrian tech tree to bolster the air tree a bit. CH-A combination would make the most sense as both countries are alpine nations, with similar cultures. Certainly more sense than France or Germany.

[MERTRAL 1,685]

On 22/02/2021 at 08:30, hom3er said:

-1

I really don't see why this should be added to the french tech tree. (or any other Swiss tank/plane for that matter). Sure the countries are neighbors and 23% of the population speaks french, but that's it. There is nothing else that really connects Switzerland with France. At least not more that any other European nation. With the SA tech tree, there is at least the whole commonwealth and British colonies thing that can be brought up as an argument.

 

Either have a standalone Swiss tree, for which there are plenty of unique vehicles or make a Swiss-Austrian tech tree to bolster the air tree a bit. CH-A combination would make the most sense as both countries are alpine nations, with similar cultures. Certainly more sense than France or Germany.

to make it simple :

 

the fact that switzerland speaks german in one part is just dumb to say that ThEy SpEaK gErMaN

 

the french part exists too, germany has too much vehicles and there is absolute no need to add a new tree, knowing that austria apparently will go to germany 

 

 

plus the char 61 samm has a french stab, so I think it's better to see a stab for 8.3-8.7 for France instead of giving another tank for the german rank 6 that is already the best in the game

 

making a swiss/austrian tree is a bit late to think about, the sk105 and the saab 105 are in the game in 2 different trees, I dont think gaijin will make that change

[hom3er 154]

9 minutes ago, MERTRAL said:

the fact that switzerland speaks german in one part is just dumb to say that ThEy SpEaK gErMaN

 

never said that. In fact I said that using language as an argument is stupid.

10 minutes ago, MERTRAL said:

plus the char 61 samm has a french stab

by that logic, any vehicle with an oerlikon gun, or hispano-suiza engine should go into the Swiss tech tree. Which makes no sense.

11 minutes ago, MERTRAL said:

making a swiss/austrian tree is a bit late to think about, the sk105 and the saab 105 are in the game in 2 different trees, I dont think gaijin will make that change

there are Swedish vehicles in the British tree, yet we have a Swedish tech tree.

A Swiss tech tree / Swiss-Austrian tech tree is entirely possible and the lack of vehicles in the French tree should not be a reason to not add it, nor is it a reason to add vehicle from a unrelated country.

 

 

[MERTRAL 1,685]

20 minutes ago, hom3er said:

never said that. In fact I said that using language as an argument is stupid.

by that logic, any vehicle with an oerlikon gun, or hispano-suiza engine should go into the Swiss tech tree. Which makes no sense.

there are Swedish vehicles in the British tree, yet we have a Swedish tech tree.

A Swiss tech tree / Swiss-Austrian tech tree is entirely possible and the lack of vehicles in the French tree should not be a reason to not add it, nor is it a reason to add vehicle from a unrelated country.

 

 

the swedish tech tree, in term of the nuber of vehicles, is already at the limit to be added in the game, switzerland would have even less vehicles 

 

the strv 81 was premium in the british tree and moved to the swedish tree (still in premium), the sk 105 will be in put the tree, it's different

 

making a swiss/austrian tree, I wouldnt be against, but atm I dont think it will be a thing that gaijin will do

 

20 minutes ago, hom3er said:

by that logic, any vehicle with an oerlikon gun, or hispano-suiza engine should go into the Swiss tech tree. Which makes no sense.

it's because france is a tree that already exists and knowing that switzerland has really almost no chance to appear in an entire tree... France needs a stab under 9.3  in its tree so Switzerland can give them that technology

 

If switzerland come in the game, it would be between Germany and France (Italy has almost nothing to do with switzerland), knowing also that Germany has a lot of vehicles, it would be fair to add Switzerland to France

Edited February 23, 2021 by MERTRAL

[AftiksPL 197]

14 minutes ago, MERTRAL said:

the swedish tech tree, in term of the nuber of vehicles, is already at the limit to be added in the game, switzerland would have even less vehicles 

The Swedish tree has 39 machines, the Swiss can have even 45-50, which is more than Sweden

[hom3er 154]

10 minutes ago, MERTRAL said:

If switzerland come in the game, it would be between Germany and France (Italy has almost nothing to do with switzerland), knowing also that Germany has a lot of vehicles, it would be fair to add Switzerland to France

Italy has as much to do with Switzerland as Germany and France. The language and a mutual border.
Sure the same applies for Austria (and Liechtenstein) but they are a lot closer from a cultur stantpoint and being an alpine nation.

[MERTRAL 1,685]

5 minutes ago, AftiksPL said:

The Swedish tree has 39 machines, the Swiss can have even 45-50, which is more than Sweden

it has 39 machines in the game, but irl they had more I believe

 

also gaijin cant put averything in 1 patch, so it will be like 15 vehicles max (like SA with only around 7 vehicles coming this update)

 

6 minutes ago, hom3er said:

Italy has as much to do with Switzerland as Germany and France. The language and a mutual border.
Sure the same applies for Austria (and Liechtenstein) but they are a lot closer from a cultur stantpoint and being an alpine nation.

Switzerland has almost nothing from Italy, the only 2 things that could make a link between Italy and switzerland is a version of a piranha and a "potential" C205 and maybe even the G91YS, we have the G91Y in the game atm

 

the Bf109Es and the char 87s are the only things that come from germany, the g13s and char 39s are from Czechoslovakia

 

and actually there is more things that are american, french or british than german in swiss armement's history

[Stuhlfleisch 3,762]

Setting the SK-105 discussion aside, seeing as the Panzer 61 is also one of those tanks were people can make points for it being in a few different tech-trees.

 

At the end of the day, Gaijin will do what they think makes the most sense for the nation tree it will go to, and we can't really do much against it (Merkava in US tree, C2A1 in German tree, SK-105 in German tree). A lot of people complained (and still are complaining) about these vehicles, because they are of the opinion, that they should be in a different tree, yet, Gaijin didn't change their mind, so debating where the Panzer 61 would be, is a mute point. We don't have a say in it.

 

It would be cool to have the Panzer 61 ingame, and I personally love the early cold-war, bubbly cast-armour appearance of these tanks, not unlike the M48, M103, Leopard 1 etc.

 

For the tank itself, a definitive +1, no matter in which tree it would ultimately go into.

[Solarmod 1,204]

Alright as it would seem somehow the whole Swiss question is up again, I'll put my two cents, I think that there should be a Swiss-Austrian tree, (which I haven't finished still because I'm lazy don't sue me ) as the Swiss had a lot of indigenous equipment, and adding Austria to them would just bolster that, it would be another Neutral double nation, like Sweden with Finland. But that's for another time, I really don't think the Panzer 61 should go in the French or German tree, but if push comes to shove, I'll begrudgingly accept it into the French tree.

[_Thaisen_ 1]

Personally, I would put it to Germany. Also your idea of an Austro-Swiss (Alpine as I would call it) Tree would fit very well as a branch line to Germany in my eyes, helping out in neccesary Tiers and BRs (might be biased as an austro swiss citizn). France has other nations to access vehicles.But the ieda is good. And if you are going to write an austro swiss thread i don`t have to

Edited April 12, 2021 by _Thaisen_

[Solarmod 1,204]

On 12/04/2021 at 14:59, _Thaisen_ said:

Personally, I would put it to Germany. Also your idea of an Austro-Swiss (Alpine as I would call it) Tree would fit very well as a branch line to Germany in my eyes, helping out in neccesary Tiers and BRs (might be biased as an austro swiss citizn). France has other nations to access vehicles.But the ieda is good. And if you are going to write an austro swiss thread i don`t have to

Working on one!

[Milocat 4,857]

+1, preferably in an Austro-Swiss tree.

[Solarmod 1,204]

On 25/01/2021 at 19:11, Solarmod said:

Someone may or may not be finishing his up by April so keep an eye out  

Well this aged like milk, I'm trying I swear 
 (By the end of this month I swear)

[SturmWerwolf 793]

+1 for the French or German tree (either one is fine). Honestly, that's the only chance they'll ever make in game. Also, people keep talking about all these different Swiss, Austrian, Yugoslavian, Visegrad or Benelux trees etc. They would be cool, but you need to be realistic in the fact that they're probably never gonna happen (at least not for a very long time). Gaijin still has years of work ahead finishing the trees already in game.

[Taeblamees 1,092]

On 23/02/2021 at 19:51, MERTRAL said:

If switzerland come in the game, it would be between Germany and France (Italy has almost nothing to do with switzerland), knowing also that Germany has a lot of vehicles, it would be fair to add Switzerland to France

I can agree that this singular vehicle should go to France due to being a project connected directly to France, but the rest of swiss vehicles can go either way. I'm leaning towards Germany. The fact they got more vehicles is a moot point since France can get a lot from other nations like Belgium, who has more cultural ties with France, which can realistically provide almost as much content as Switzerland itself. Apparently France will Austrian vehicles as well... for some reason, of which there are even more of so no worries about quantity (which we, as players would realistically never actually see of anyway).

Edited July 21, 2021 by Taeblamees