mi 35 x16 atakas removed?

[Juan_the_la_Pepe 32]

 Is this a bug or is it real? the iglas are nice, personally i like a lot to use helicopters for AA purpose so i like it that they were added but why removed the 16 atgms? now only usa has a 16 atgm helicopter 

[michiyl 569]

https://wiki.warthunder.com/Update_1.91_"Night_Vision"#Aircraft_model.2C_damage_model.2C_characteristic_and_weaponry_changes

 

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 The suspended weaponry setup on the Mi-35M has been changed. The variant with 16 9M120 ATGM has been excluded from available presets as in reality there is no possibility of using ATGM from any point of suspension except the fourth (far right position). As a replacement the possibility of using MANPADS "Igla" on this helicopter has been added.

 

It was part of the update 1.91

[Galen503 548]

Who lives long enough in a heli anymore to need more than 8

[michiyl 569]

6 minutes ago, Kamala_2020 said:

Who lives long enough in a heli anymore to need more than 8

You can live quite long in Heli EC

[llSolitairell@psn 5,730]

41 minutes ago, michiyl said:

You can live quite long in Heli EC

 

If you're playing Heli EC then it's always worth bringing along some Iglas anyway

[Juan_the_la_Pepe 32]

 

1 hour ago, michiyl said:

https://wiki.warthunder.com/Update_1.91_"Night_Vision"#Aircraft_model.2C_damage_model.2C_characteristic_and_weaponry_changes

 

 

It was part of the update 1.91

 

  Thanks for the reply guys, much apreciated i had no idea it wasnt posible in real life, at least in game it seemed realistic to load the 16 atgms

[IAMTRIGGERED 1,087]

22 minutes ago, *RAazzy91 said:

 

If you're playing Heli EC then it's always worth bringing along some Iglas anyway

AAMs are nice for dunking on peasants without flares but generally Atakas are better against helicopters.

[llSolitairell@psn 5,730]

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The suspended weaponry setup on the Mi-35M has been changed. The variant with 16 9M120 ATGM has been excluded from available presets as in reality there is no possibility of using ATGM from any point of suspension except the fourth (far right position). As a replacement the possibility of using MANPADS "Igla" on this helicopter has been added.

 

Someone needs to explain to me why this was changed again because I am very confused atm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[CodeNameColdWar 823]

On 04/01/2020 at 23:30, *RAazzy91 said:

 

Someone needs to explain to me why this was changed again because I am very confused atm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First picture we don't see on the other side. So we don't know if there is another 8 ATGM mounted there. And from my opinion this picture mean that They can mounted 8 ATGM on either side of helicopter as they want.

 

On second picture there only mounted point but no missiles. It still doesn't prove that Mi-35M can mounted 16 ATGM but look possible.

 

After digging around. Last one seem to be Mi-24VM not Mi-35M hence no eye ball camera . (Mi-24V with twin 23mm turret and short wings. Modification to use advance missiles and add some feature )

 

Overall it is seem possible that Mi-35 could mounted 8 ATGM on both wings(16 in total). However in Russain forum there seem to be manual or document show that it is limit to 8 missiles.

https://forum.warthunder.ru/index.php?/topic/264892-mi-35m-ataka-v-shturm/

Edited February 13, 2020 by CodeNameColdWar
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[Tubby_Vermin 2,161]

its could also be something to do with combat weight, don't get me wrong i used to love going out with 16 ATGM's but alas i no longer use the Mi-35 much now the mi-28 is here (oh and the Ka50 lol)

[Maverick966 1,240]

On 05/01/2020 at 08:30, CodeNameColdWar said:

First picture we don't see on the other side. So we don't know if there is another 8 ATGM mounted there. And from my opinion this picture mean that They can mounted 8 ATGM on either side of helicopter as they want.

 

On second picture there only mounted point but no missiles. It still doesn't prove that Mi-35M can mounted 16 ATGM but look possible.

 

After digging around. Last one seem to be Mi-24VM not Mi-35M hence no eye ball camera . (Mi-24V with twin 23mm turret and short wings. Modification to use advance missiles and add some feature )

 

Overall it is seem possible that Mi-35 could mounted 8 ATGM on both wings(16 in total). However in Russain forum there seem to be manual or document show that it is limit to 8 missiles.

https://forum.warthunder.ru/index.php?/topic/264892-mi-35m-ataka-v-shturm/

Well, now that it has been nerfed to 8 missiles it should receive the upgraded 9M120M Ataka (950 mm penetration) to compensate, 8 x 9M120 (800 mm pen) missiles are not enough at 10.3, or it should be lowered to 10.0, the AH-1Z at 10.0 is much superior than it

Edited July 6, 2020 by Maverick966

[CodeNameColdWar 823]

On 06/07/2020 at 07:51, Maverick966 said:

Well, now that it has been nerfed to 8 missiles it should receive the upgraded 9M120M Ataka (950 mm penetration) to compensate, 8 x 9M120 (800 mm pen) missiles are not enough at 10.3, or it should be lowered to 10.0, the AH-1Z at 10.0 is much superior than it

Agree more penetration for AT-9 wouldn't hurt anyone. 

[Raldi92 2,923]

Hi @Smin1080p , i contact you because as you might know  Mi-35M saw it's x16 ATGM loadout being removed on patch 1.91 under the argument that it was only possible to use ATGMs from the far right rail . Now with this in mind there is overwhelming evidence that Mi-35M could mount  ATGM rails on both far right and far left pylons , some mebers here have provided photos and i will provide one more here :

 

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But more importantly there is direct video evidence of the Mi-35M firing the Ataka ATGM from a rail mounted on the far left pylon https://tvzvezda.ru/schedule/programs/201412231323-1cpc.htm/201804281720-fbrm.htm :

 

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Therefore , could you please ask the developers if there any plans to reconsider their decision and if possible forward the evidence to them ?

 

 

Edited June 24, 2022 by Raldi92

[_Fantom2451_ 292]

1 hour ago, Raldi92 said:

But more importantly there is direct video evidence of the Mi-35M firing the Ataka ATGM from a rail mounted on the far left pylon https://tvzvezda.ru/schedule/programs/201412231323-1cpc.htm/201804281720-fbrm.htm :

Video is mirrored at 2:00, check 19:16

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[Raldi92 2,923]

46 minutes ago, _Fantom2451_ said:

Video is mirrored at 2:00, check 19:16

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. Can you please translate what the officer states at 19:20 concerning the wing and ATGMs ? If i undestand correctly he mentions the wing was shortened and he says Sturm and Ataka can be used ( notice they are on the far left pylon ) but i don't understand the end.

 

Edited June 24, 2022 by Raldi92

[_Fantom2451_ 292]

43 minutes ago, Raldi92 said:

 

. Can you please translate what the officer states at 19:20 concerning the wing and ATGMs ?

 

"On this modification, the wing tip was removed to provide the APU-8/4 hanging to use a larger number of ATGM, attack or shturm, up to 8 missiles".

[Raldi92 2,923]

11 hours ago, _Fantom2451_ said:

"On this modification, the wing tip was removed to provide the APU-8/4 hanging to use a larger number of ATGM, attack or shturm, up to 8 missiles".

 

Up to 8 as per APU ? I mean that would make sense since as the APU name implied it can carry up to 8 missiles .

 

It is still interesting that they mention this when shawing the left pylon but could be just coincidence .

[_Fantom2451_ 292]

3 hours ago, Raldi92 said:

Up to 8 as per APU ? I mean that would make sense since as the APU name implied it can carry up to 8 missiles .

He did not concretize.

There is no reason to try to find 16 atgm on russians mi-35m. Everything says that they can use only one APU: manufacturer, documents, photos.

[Raldi92 2,923]

1 hour ago, _Fantom2451_ said:

He did not concretize.

There is no reason to try to find 16 atgm on russians mi-35m. Everything says that they can use only one APU: manufacturer, documents, photos.

 

Really ? I haven't seen anything of that sort , have peoples posted manufactuer documents on the Russian forums ? I would really like to see those documents.  In regards to photos there are multiple photos showing it equipped with APU on both sides or at least advertising APU could be mount on the left pylon . 

 

[_Fantom2451_ 292]

On 25/06/2022 at 18:12, Raldi92 said:

 

Really ? I haven't seen anything of that sort , have peoples posted manufactuer documents on the Russian forums ?

https://web.archive.org/web/20210516092242/https://www.rhc.aero/catalog/mi-35m

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On 25/06/2022 at 18:12, Raldi92 said:

  In regards to photos there are multiple photos showing it equipped with APU on both sides or at least advertising APU could be mount on the left pylon .

Photoshop/exhibition/not RuAF (The Mi-35P of Cyprus can use all 16 ATGMs. The complex sees only 8 Rounds, but in order to "see" 16, a switch "УР БОРТ ЛЕВ-ПРАВ" ("guided missile side left-right) has been introduced in the operator's cabin, which connects the desired APU to the complex. This was achieved and the use of 16 ATGMs)

[Raldi92 2,923]

12 hours ago, _Fantom2451_ said:

https://web.archive.org/web/20210516092242/https://www.rhc.aero/catalog/mi-35m

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Photoshop/exhibition/not RuAF (The Mi-35P of Cyprus can use all 16 ATGMs. The complex sees only 8 Rounds, but in order to "see" 16, a switch "УР БОРТ ЛЕВ-ПРАВ" ("guided missile side left-right) has been introduced in the operator's cabin, which connects the desired APU to the complex. This was achieved and the use of 16 ATGMs)

 

Thank you. It is hard to understand why support for APU-8/4  has been removed on the 35M fro the far left pylon given Вертолёты России has exhibited the 35M with support on the far left pylons :

 

 

It was certainly technicaly possible ( as shown by the 35P )  so what are the reasons , budgetary ? Even there it seems unreasonable. Something also to note is that Mi-35M has seen revisions throughout its service lifetime such as the equippment  with President-S protection system so maybe things have changed in regards to APU support aswell .

 

Edited June 27, 2022 by Raldi92