Magyar légierő, Hungarian Air Force Tech Tree

[DarthGergely 464]

7 hours ago, Z3r0_ said:

Here's a thought that might help to add more to the ranks: why not throw in the Czechs and Slovaks with this tree?  I mean, we've already got some jet trainers they made on here.  Wouldn't be the first time either, what with the Romanians being earmarked for Italy and the Finns for Sweden

It is no longer up to us what the gaijin does with those nations , during the war Sweden help for the Finns so its not so a illogical move to put them together ,, in romania case , i know , some others work on a independent romanian tech (and Nell Lucifer made too: 

We cant put together with the Poland too ,if we make a V4 group . 

[MadMax_ITA_ 789]

13 hours ago, Dzsigolo_Lanty said:

L-29 Delfin

Hungary People's Army

 18 darab a Magyar Néphadseregben ( 1964-1984 )

Armament

• Guns: 2x 7.62mm machine gun pods on hardpoints
• Hardpoints: 2
• Rockets: 8× air-to-ground rockets
• Bombs: 2× 100 kg (220 lb) bombs
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This would fit as a jet ground attacker, really nice find I'll search for more info, thx

[Z3r0_ 4,128]

12 hours ago, DarthGergely said:

It is no longer up to us what the gaijin does with those nations , during the war Sweden help for the Finns so its not so a illogical move to put them together ,, in romania case , i know , some others work on a independent romanian tech (and Nell Lucifer made too: 

We cant put together with the Poland too ,if we make a V4 group . 

 

It's just an idea.

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

This is one of those tech trees that I think would only work in a minor axis tree or as a small nation in a tab that would take you to minor nations if you clicked it

 

Very very few native designs and mostly copy paste. Most of the tech tree seems uninteresting honestly. 

[PacketlossRedux 595]

Dont forget the dive bomber hèjja II variant.

https://live.warthunder.com/post/779518/en/

Edited October 29, 2019 by Jacky95

[MadMax_ITA_ 789]

8 hours ago, Jacky95 said:

Dont forget the dive bomber hèjja II variant.

https://live.warthunder.com/post/779518/en/

just gonna add it now, since italy has the mc202EC that was a test and not a production line of planes this has the right to be added. it could be just after or before the Hèjja II. Thx

[Xenecrite 899]

A boost for your research

https://cse.google.ru/cse?cx=partner-pub-6141657215653160%3Aqmow5l623ra&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=ms&sa=Search

 

 

 

[PacketlossRedux 595]

3 hours ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

, but there would be a requirement like tier 4 or tier 5 to research those nations since they'd be small enough for any new player to skip to top tier straight away without experience

If experience is the problem in the aircraft tree, just make it so that it takes a bit longer to unlock new vehicles mid tier. Compensating for the smaller number of required unlocks with longer unlocks.

 

[MadMax_ITA_ 789]

5 hours ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

 

I just can't be convinced that a tree with just 7 native designs would be viable as an independent, major tech tree. 

 

China, the way it is, is the biggest mistake so far. 

 

I want to see Hungary as long as a small system for minor nations is implemented, like what if they add a clickable tab that would switch from the current 8 major nations in the game to minor nations in the interface like Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Poland etc, but there would be a requirement like tier 4 or tier 5 to research those nations since they'd be small enough for any new player to skip to top tier straight away without experience.

As far as I can tell you I'm under constant exams both by university and my choice of work/life there fore you just see 7 vehicles but as I stated the tree is FAR from complete. The problem is that Gaijin has created an alibi for any nation that is a little bit better then China, China is the low end of possible right now and this justify anything slightly better then it. Hungary ground tree is way way way more better then China one and the air tree will be too when I can find time to put everything together 

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

9 hours ago, MadMax_ITA_ said:

As far as I can tell you I'm under constant exams both by university and my choice of work/life there fore you just see 7 vehicles but as I stated the tree is FAR from complete. The problem is that Gaijin has created an alibi for any nation that is a little bit better then China, China is the low end of possible right now and this justify anything slightly better then it. Hungary ground tree is way way way more better then China one and the air tree will be too when I can find time to put everything together 

 

Well, if you can put together an air and ground tree with 30+ vehicles of mostly native in origin for each, I'm up for Hungary. 

 

What I see here so far is a degraded German tech tree and lots of patriotism, more than reason. 

 

Another "China" type of tech tree isn't a good idea. 

Edited October 30, 2019 by EpicBlitzkrieg87

[PacketlossRedux 595]

8 hours ago, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

 

Well, if you can put together an air and ground tree with 30+ vehicles of mostly native in origin for each, I'm up for Hungary. 

What I see here so far is a degraded German tech tree and lots of patriotism, more than reason. 

Another "China" type of tech tree isn't a good idea. 

Chill mah dude.

Its okay to not like things. 

[Z3r0_ 4,128]

On 30/10/2019 at 14:25, EpicBlitzkrieg87 said:

 

Well, if you can put together an air and ground tree with 30+ vehicles of mostly native in origin for each, I'm up for Hungary. 

 

What I see here so far is a degraded German tech tree and lots of patriotism, more than reason. 

 

Another "China" type of tech tree isn't a good idea. 

 

That's part of why I suggested throwing in the Czechs  and Slovaks with the Hungarians, similar to what I suspect Gaijin's doing with Finland and Sweden (as, without Finland, the Swedish tree will barely have any bombers).

Edited November 4, 2019 by Z3r0_

[PacketlossRedux 595]

oh hell. someone triggered the swedes

We would like to maintain this thread bait and bashing free. No need to create drama out of an opinion.

 

 

Edited November 5, 2019 by Jacky95

[PacketlossRedux 595]

10 hours ago, UFO_Interceptor said:

• absolutely no local made bombers
• absolutely no local made planes for rank III, V & VI
• only two local made planes for rank IV
• the RMI-8 appeals me, of course, but it has never taken the air and it's just a destroyed prototype
• useless helicopter tree full of russian Mil stuff, even Japan had developped some helicopters

 

to some degree you are right and to some you are wrong.

 

Hungary manufactured the Me 109 G 2 and G6. aproximatelly 700 of these were made in Hungary.  For GE and HU

900 Me109 F were built in Hungary. For GE and HU

Furthermore all Hungarian ME 210 Ca-1's of both weapon configurations were made in Hungary. For GE and HU

The JU-86K bombers were built with Hungarian Mistral engines at our request. Furthermore we did use our own defensive armament on the JU bombers.

 

• So we did not locally manufature whole bombers, only the Ju 52, and engines
• 3/2 and 4/4 is the ratio of locally built planes in rank 3 and 4
• as i said rank 4 has 4 locally made, and 3 out of that are Hungarian designs
• how many prototypes do we have in game, again?..refresh my memory pls
• thats what happens when they sell you to the Soviet Union. And that Japanese helicopter aint fully japanese either......

Anyway, noone demands of you to support or like this proposition. We all understand the reasons why people dont like it and we respect their opinions. Furthermore dont take this as me wanting to convince you to support it. I have only corrected your statements.

 

• We have supported the Minor axis tech tree and wanted that to come to fruition but that failed as Gaijin is adding the Finnish tech to Sweden and has moved the Hungarian premium 109 to Itally.
• Neither the Itallian community or the Hungarian wants 40+ non Itallian premiums in the Itallian premium lines
• side trees are a fantasy
• The Hungarian tech is fewer compared to the superpowers but it would be too big to be premiums within another tree. So we are trying this rute. 

 

Furthermore this tree is not finished because MadMax havent had the time to update it yet due to IRL stuff.

The only feasable joint tree would be a Visegrad 4 tree. even than its a bit weird because the Czechslovak army fought against Hungary on the side of the Russians during ww2.

It would be also interesting to look into a Polish-Hungarian tree, because we did not fight eachother 

Personally i wouldnt mind mini tech trees that dont necessarily cover all BR's up to 10. or even further in the future,maybe. But we have to work within the structure Gaijin set.

Edited November 5, 2019 by Jacky95

[_Catweazle_63 9,834]

Derailing and off-topics removed!

 

Limit yourselves to discussing the topic of this suggestion:Hungarian Air Force Tech Tree

[Z3r0_ 4,128]

18 hours ago, Jacky95 said:

 

to some degree you are right and to some you are wrong.

 

Hungary manufactured the Me 109 G 2 and G6. aproximatelly 700 of these were made in Hungary.  For GE and HU

900 Me109 F were built in Hungary. For GE and HU

Furthermore all Hungarian ME 210 Ca-1's of both weapon configurations were made in Hungary. For GE and HU

The JU-86K bombers were built with Hungarian Mistral engines at our request. Furthermore we did use our own defensive armament on the JU bombers.

 

• So we did not locally manufature whole bombers, only the Ju 52, and engines
• 3/2 and 4/4 is the ratio of locally built planes in rank 3 and 4
• as i said rank 4 has 4 locally made, and 3 out of that are Hungarian designs
• how many prototypes do we have in game, again?..refresh my memory pls
• thats what happens when they sell you to the Soviet Union. And that Japanese helicopter aint fully japanese either......

Anyway, noone demands of you to support or like this proposition. We all understand the reasons why people dont like it and we respect their opinions. Furthermore dont take this as me wanting to convince you to support it. I have only corrected your statements.

 

• We have supported the Minor axis tech tree and wanted that to come to fruition but that failed as Gaijin is adding the Finnish tech to Sweden and has moved the Hungarian premium 109 to Itally.
• Neither the Itallian community or the Hungarian wants 40+ non Itallian premiums in the Itallian premium lines
• side trees are a fantasy
• The Hungarian tech is fewer compared to the superpowers but it would be too big to be premiums within another tree. So we are trying this rute. 

 

Furthermore this tree is not finished because MadMax havent had the time to update it yet due to IRL stuff.

The only feasable joint tree would be a Visegrad 4 tree. even than its a bit weird because the Czechslovak army fought against Hungary on the side of the Russians during ww2.

It would be also interesting to look into a Polish-Hungarian tree, because we did not fight eachother 

Personally i wouldnt mind mini tech trees that dont necessarily cover all BR's up to 10. or even further in the future,maybe. But we have to work within the structure Gaijin set.

 

Poland's another interesting option for content to add to this tree...though it'd lead to some pretty awkward situations where Polish planes end up flying alongside their Axis adversaries if Hungary is treated as an 'Axis' country by the matchmaker, which some people might take exception to.  I personally don't really care anymore by this point, as the MM's been FUBAR for a long time now.

Edited November 6, 2019 by Z3r0_

[Rockybrown 61]

Hungary is OK when it comes to tanks made by themselves, but the aircraft were obsolete. I believe that Slovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria and maybe Romania should become one big axis tree since Italy is doing good when it comes to planes and tanks. Italy does have some flaws when it comes to ground vehicles, but i believe that they do not need any support from other nations. What could become a nice adition is Croatian planes, (those would be a few Yugoslavian planes) though they were few, there were some.

[PacketlossRedux 595]

Mi-8-17

[Xenecrite 899]

Here are 2 reserve planes

AVIS I:

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During the course of 1931, the Central Repair Workshops at Szekesfehervar-Sosto began construction of the AVIS (Anderlik-Varga-Iskola-Sport) aircraft, ostensibly a single-seat trainer and sports aircraft, but, in fact, a fighter intended for use by the Legtiyi Hivatal (Aviation Department), the clandestine Hungarian air arm. An all-metal, single-bay, staggered biplane designed by Prof Elöd Abody-Anderlik, Laszlo Varga, Istvan Liszt and Deszo Fridrik, the first aircraft, the AVIS I, was completed and flown in 1933. Powered by a 420hp Manfred Weiss-built Jupiter VI nine-cylinder radial, intended armament being twin synchronised 7.62mm Gebauer machine guns, the AVIS I proved seriously underpowered, prompting major redesign as the AVIS II. The sole example of the AVIS I was eventually delivered to the flying school at Szombathely where it was to serve until 1936.

 MODEL:  AVIS I

 CREW : 1

 ENGINE: 1 x 420hp Weiss Jupiter VI

 WEIGHTS

    Take-off weight  1480 kg  3263 lb

    Empty weight  1260 kg  2778 lb

 DIMENSIONS

    Wingspan: 9.00 m 30 ft 6 in

    Length: 7.50 m 25 ft 7 in

    Height: 3.40 m 11 ft 2 in

    Wing area: 21.20 m2  228.19 sq ft

 PERFORMANCE

    Max. speed: 280 km/h 174 mph

    Cruise speed: 233 km/h 145 mph

    Ceiling: 5200 m 17050 ft

    Range: 320 km 199 miles

 ARMAMENT: 2 x 7.62 mm Gebauer machine guns

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AVIS III:

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Developed in parallel with the AVIS II and entering flight test shortly afterwards in 1935, the AVIS III was powered by a 550hp Manfred Weiss-built Gnome- Rhone 9Krsd Mistral nine-cylinder radial engine driving a three-bladed adjustable-pitch Hamilton Standard propeller. Unlike the preceding AVIS fighters which were of all-metal construction, the AVIS III had wooden wings with a combination of plywood and fabric skinning, and four prototypes were laid down. The AVIS III demonstrated improved characteristics, but lacking the agility of the Fiat CR.32, which was meanwhile evaluated by the Legilyi Hivatal and adopted for service, it was not ordered into production. The armament of the AVIS III was two 7.62mm Gebauer machine guns, and one of the four prototypes was completed with minor modifications as the AVIS IV.

MODEL: AVIS III

 CREW: 1

 ENGINE: 1 x 700hp Weiss/Gnome Rhone 9Krsd

 WEIGHTS

    Take-off weight: 1380 kg 3042 lb

    Empty weight: 1210 kg 2668 lb

 DIMENSIONS

    Wingspan: 9.50 m 31 ft 2 in

    Length: 7.80 m 26 ft 7 in

    Height: 3.20 m 11 ft 6 in

    Wing area: 20.20 m2 217.43 sq ft

 PERFORMANCE

    Max. speed: 310 km/h 193 mph

    Cruise speed: 256 km/h 159 mph

    Ceiling: 6500 m 21350 ft

    Range: 400 km 249 miles

 ARMAMENT: 2 x 7.62 mm Gebauer machine guns

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http://www.aviastar.org/air/hungary/a_avis.php

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVIS

https://warmachinesdrawn.blogspot.com/search/label/Avis I

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fww2/avis1.html

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fww2/avis3.html

[HufnagelPista 135]

Im a hungarian, i would like to see a hungarian TT in the game, but to be honest, i dont want to see something like the chinese tree...
The ground forces should be OK (i supported the topic started by Darth Gergely)... but we almost only used german or russian planes...
To be honest we should think about a V4 group + Romania... (the V4 would be a cool name for the "nation" but the + Romania... V4+Romania or V5 is not that great)
Romania built a few plane, upgraded the hell out form the t55, and Poland did the same with their t-72s. There was a few plane built by czechoslovakia... Anyways, in that tree, there should be a lot of vehicles)
We had a navy during the WW1, Poland and Romania still have...
We should cooperate with the other european nations, i think all of them would like their own TT, but as they said in one of the last Q&A, Poland/Hungary dont have enough vehicles for a full tree...

 

[AspandaIV 376]

Hungary should not be a standalone TT, there's only a couple of native designs and unique upgrades of existing vehicles in terms of aircraft, the rest are copy and paste (even more so than China, at least China have some native designs to choose from post war [and even some during and before WWII], it's just Gaijin didn't add them for whatever reason). Even in the Ground forces TT all the vehicles from Tier V onwards are copy and paste and the Hungarian Helicopter TT is nothing but Copy n paste (though i'm far more accepting of helicopter TT's being copy n paste since only a handful of countries make military helicopters).

However If Hungary is part of a Bulgar-Romanian then i'm far more accepting of the addition of the Hungarian TT and it would help them especially in the naval department

People also suggest that the Hungarian TT should be added with Czechoslovakia and Poland, I'm against that suggestion for two reasons

• Firstly, Hungary and Romania are Axis (Bulgaria was also a Axis nation but mainly for Self-preservation reasons), Czechoslovakia and Poland on the other hand are part of the Allies so adding all 5 nations in the same TT would be awkward in that regards. Though all 5 nations are part of the Warsaw-Pact so adding them wouldn't be the worst thing either
• Second (and most Importantly), Poland and Czechoslovakia have more than enough native designs and unique variants of existing vehicles to make a combined Czecho-Polish TT

[DarthGergely 464]

1 hour ago, AspandaIV said:

Hungary should not be a standalone TT, there's only a couple of native designs and unique upgrades of existing vehicles in terms of aircraft, the rest are copy and paste (even more so than China, at least China have some native designs to choose from post war [and even some during and before WWII], it's just Gaijin didn't add them for whatever reason). Even in the Ground forces TT all the vehicles from Tier V onwards are copy and paste and the Hungarian Helicopter TT is nothing but Copy n paste (though i'm far more accepting of helicopter TT's being copy n paste since only a handful of countries make military helicopters).

However If Hungary is part of a Bulgar-Romanian then i'm far more accepting of the addition of the Hungarian TT and it would help them especially in the naval department

People also suggest that the Hungarian TT should be added with Czechoslovakia and Poland, I'm against that suggestion for two reasons

• Firstly, Hungary and Romania are Axis (Bulgaria was also a Axis nation but mainly for Self-preservation reasons), Czechoslovakia and Poland on the other hand are part of the Allies so adding all 5 nations in the same TT would be awkward in that regards. Though all 5 nations are part of the Warsaw-Pact so adding them wouldn't be the worst thing either
• Second (and most Importantly), Poland and Czechoslovakia have more than enough native designs and unique variants of existing vehicles to make a combined Czecho-Polish TT

Yeah...its funny ,  for you, here  the copy paste things are bad and under the romanian suggestion you suggested more copy paste stuffs for filling up that ....nice meme mate. I think its just partiality but hey , everybody have its own opinion and I havent got the right to change it.

Edited January 16, 2020 by DarthGergely

[Z3r0_ 4,128]

10 hours ago, AspandaIV said:

Hungary should not be a standalone TT, there's only a couple of native designs and unique upgrades of existing vehicles in terms of aircraft, the rest are copy and paste (even more so than China, at least China have some native designs to choose from post war [and even some during and before WWII], it's just Gaijin didn't add them for whatever reason). Even in the Ground forces TT all the vehicles from Tier V onwards are copy and paste and the Hungarian Helicopter TT is nothing but Copy n paste (though i'm far more accepting of helicopter TT's being copy n paste since only a handful of countries make military helicopters).

However If Hungary is part of a Bulgar-Romanian then i'm far more accepting of the addition of the Hungarian TT and it would help them especially in the naval department

People also suggest that the Hungarian TT should be added with Czechoslovakia and Poland, I'm against that suggestion for two reasons

• Firstly, Hungary and Romania are Axis (Bulgaria was also a Axis nation but mainly for Self-preservation reasons), Czechoslovakia and Poland on the other hand are part of the Allies so adding all 5 nations in the same TT would be awkward in that regards. Though all 5 nations are part of the Warsaw-Pact so adding them wouldn't be the worst thing either
• Second (and most Importantly), Poland and Czechoslovakia have more than enough native designs and unique variants of existing vehicles to make a combined Czecho-Polish TT

 

Correction regarding Czechoslovakia.  Technically they fought on both sides, as the Germans did form the separate puppet state of Slovakia that fought alongside the Axis after the Munich Agreement (who took part in the Invasion of Poland, among other things), to say nothing about the various Czech conscripts.  Furthermore, virtually no Czech military equipment made it to the Allies (or at least directly, the Brits did end up making their own versions of the BESA and Bren machine guns), with almost all of it ending up with the Germans.  I do agree about not including the Poles in a 'Central European Axis' (Hungarian, Czech, Romanian, and Bulgarian) tree though, since there was no attempt at all to incorporate Poland into the Axis Powers beyond annexing territory that previously belonged to Germany, and the Poles mostly contributed to the Allied war effort.

Edited January 17, 2020 by Z3r0_

[Borotovas 4,500]

nice

[DarthGergely 464]

Why couldn't be Hungary , Poland and Czechoslovakia one tech? They have a unique alliance , the V4 group and during the cold war they was in the Warsaw Pact and mostly have the same vehicles , in low tier they had the own designs + germans , after that in mid tier they have still some unique vehicles + germans/russians (captured in polis revolution or in 1956 revolution , i mean like the polish panther or the hungarian T-34-85 ) and after that in high tiers they have the own modification of the soviet vehicles .