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Shenyang J-6 Base Model (aka J-6C)

歼-6 基本型(歼-6丙)

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Why this in WT?

Currently we already have MiG-19S in German TT, MiG-19PT in USSR TT, and J-6A in Chinese TT. However, J-6A, the first variant of J-6 series, was not performing well after it was manufactured. Later there were several radical modifications and it could be said that all of them failed to reach a competitive position to Soviet's MiG-19s (MiG-19S, MiG-19P or MiG-19PM). It was not until J-6C, later officially designated as J-6 (without any type indication, for clarity of text, henceforth we call it J-6 (base model). ), that Chinese finally had a reliable model of J-6 fighter. 

 

J-6 (base mod.) was the most iconic fighter jet of China in the sky during the second half of last century. It could be said that it was a reverse engineering of MiG-19S. There were no records of J-6s being shot down, while 21 enemies were shot down under J-6's records.

 

Also, J-6 has more production than J-6A. It would be great to add this 'Chinese MiG-19S' to Chinese TT, and more skins could be made specifically for it. This is a very easy addition, since we could copy the German's MiG-19S and only have minor changes.

 

Story of Development 

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(Following paragraphs are from afwing.info and Google translated, with some revision)

 

The J-6 A produced by the Shenyang Aircraft Factory has serious quality problems, and the characteristics of the aircraft itself cannot meet the needs of the Air Force for air superiority. The type 59  (DongFeng 102) that is designed to improve the Air Force is basically a failed product; the J-6 B produced by the Nanchang Aircraft Factory, though there is no record of quality problems, the aircraft itself cannot meet the requirements of the Air Force, and the number is extremely small. Thus, after the 1960s, in addition to the imported MiG-19, the Chinese Air Force still failed to form a combat capability for the domestic supersonic fighters – whether it was to cope with the situation in the Taiwan Strait or to maintain the continued development of the Air Force.

 

In December 1961, in accordance with the requirements of the General Staff and the National Defense Science and Technology Commission, the Air Force proposed a seven-year (1961–1967) plan for major technical equipment . In the planning, the Air Force proposed: First, imitate the introduced MiG-19S (ie, the J-6 basic model), followed by the imitation MiG-21F-13. It is not difficult to see that the emergence of the J-6 basic model is actually a remedy for the delay in the growth of the Air Force's combat power against the problem of imitation. In the case of a reference design failure, the complete cloning of the MiG-19S became the only option at the time. At the same time, it should be noted that on March 30, 1961, China has obtained a production license for the MiG-21F-13. Then the Air Force required the first imitation of the MiG-19S (J-6 base model), the intention is very clear: to promote the Chinese aviation industry to completely realize the transition to the supersonic era, lay the foundation for the production of supersonic aircraft, for the imitation of more modern Prepare for the second generation of supersonic fighters. As far as the actual needs of the Air Force are concerned, the J-6 base model will be a transition fighter before the imitation MiG-21 service, and maintain the necessary number of low-end fighters in the absence of economic strength (J-6 base price about 60 Ten thousand yuan, only 1/2 of the price of J-7).

 

It can be seen that at this time, the basic meaning of the J-6 basic type lies only in remediation and transition. The Air Force did not cast too much expectation on it, and did not expect that this aircraft would support the mainland sky for more than 20 years. At the same time, it can be seen that after the enthusiasm of the Great Leap Forward, the Air Force has been able to look at the gap between the level of the domestic aviation industry and the demand for air equipment. In the 7-year plan, there is no mention of “improvement”, and the explicit requirement is simply imitation. Regardless MiG-19S is good or bad, first eat it all, digest it completely, and then say other things. Looking back now, this request is somewhat ridiculous and superfluous, but it is this requirement that puts an end to the possibility of fever in the head. It is on the basis of the J-6 basic model that is actually imitation of the later J-6 family.

 

On September 23, 1963, the imitation MiG-19S was successfully tested for the first time under the control of Wu Keming. On June 28, 1964, the first batch of domestic MiG-19S was delivered to the troops and was officially named J-6.

 

J-6 main features are: positive shock wave inlet (no shock cone); fiberglass-less radome on the nose; camera gun is located above the air inlet; airspeed tube is located below the air inlet; equipped with three 30 millimeter cannon.

 

 

Development Timeline of Chinese J-6 series

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() for alternative name, [] for Soviet aircraft of its imitation. 

 

J-6A      (歼-6甲; DongFeng 103,东风103) [clone of MiG-19P] -->

Type 59 (59式歼击机; DongFeng 102,东风102) -->

J-6B      (歼-6乙; DongFeng 105,东风105) -->

J-6        (歼-6; J-6C,歼6丙) [reverse engineering of MiG-19S] -->

J-6I -->

J-6II -->

J-6III -->

J-6IIIG -->

J-6IV -->

JZ-6 (歼侦-6)-->

JJ-6 (歼教-6)-->

BW-1 (变稳-1)

 

 

 

Specifications

The specifications of J-6 and MiG-19S are very similar according to sources. I made a table to compare the two aircraft. 

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Comparison of J-6 and MiG-19S    
  J-6 MiG-19S unit
General Characteristics      
Crew 1 1 person
Length 14.64 12.54 (pitot tube retracted)/ 14.64 m
Wingspan 9.0 9.0 m
Height 3.89 3.88 m
Wing Area 25.0 25.0 m^2
Empty Weight 5447 5172 kg
Gross Weight   7560 kg
Max Takeoff Weight 7560 8832kg with 2 x 760L drop tanks and 2 rocket pods kg
Fuel capacity   1800 L
Powerplant 2 x WP-6A 2 x RD-9B  
Thrust (without afterburner) 25.5/2600 25.5/ -- kN/kgf
Thrust (with afterburner) 31.87/3250 31.8/ -- kN/kgf
Performance      
Max (Level) Speed 1490 (9000) 1452 (10000) km/h (m)
Max (Level) Speed   1.22 Mach
Service Ceiling 17500-17900 17500 m
Range 1690 1390 km
Ferry Range (with fuel tank) 2200 2200 km with 2 x 760L drop tanks at 14000m km
Combat Radius 680   km
Climb Rate 180 177.8 m/s
Wingload 302.4   kg/m^2
Thrust/Weight Ratio 0.43   1
Duration 2.03   hour
Armament      
Guns 3 x 30mm NR-30 3 x 30mm NR-30 (75 rounds for wingroot; 55 rounds for fuselage)
Hardpoints 2 (early) or 4 (late) 4 pylons, 2 for drop tanks only, 2 for weapons  
Bomb up to 500kg (2 x 50 - 250kg) 2 x FAB-250  
Rockets 2 or 4 x Model 57-1 rocket pod 2 x 32-round ORO-57K  
Missiles      
Sources Baidu Baike: www.afwing.info Wikipedia: Belyakov and Marmain pp.215-219  

 

 

 

 

 

More Images

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Source: 

http://www.afwing.info/intro/j6/plaaf fighter J-6.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-19#cite_note-56

https://baike.baidu.com/item/歼-6/6037410?fromtitle=歼6&fromid=6770936&fr=aladdin

 

 

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On 23/10/2019 at 22:46, John_JIANG said:

A great source containing photos of details of a J-6C cockpit and characters on fuselage, as well as old helmet 

http://www.360doc.com/content/14/0912/16/5428941_408945671.shtml#

(Hint: press "展开全文" button to expand for full text)

 

A tiny wrong info correction: This is a set of images for J-6III, not J-6C, which can be told from the hardpoint at the wingtips. 

 

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This IS a image set of J-6C, which can be told from its nose. But the hardpoints at the wingtips are mysterious.

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Other countries used the J-6 as well, like Egypt or Pakistan. It would be a nice if we could get one of the foreign variants as a premium plane, along with regular J-6C. I'd buy it.

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+1 from me. A number of these saw action in Vietnam iirc (or they could've been Soviet-spec MiG-19Ses, but I think they were J-6Cs).  Could have a Vietnamese AF camo as an unlockable paint job.

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14 hours ago, Z3r0_ said:

+1 from me. A number of these saw action in Vietnam iirc (or they could've been Soviet-spec MiG-19Ses, but I think they were J-6Cs).  Could have a Vietnamese AF camo as an unlockable paint job.

 

Do you mean these? It could be interesting.

 

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http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww3/f/13/55/0#4

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On 26/05/2020 at 17:14, Borotovas said:

 

Do you mean these? It could be interesting.

 

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http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww3/f/13/55/0#4

 

Yes.  They weren't as common as the J-5s (MiG-17s) or as notorious as the J-7s (MiG-21s), but they were present, and did score a few kills against American aircraft.

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1 hour ago, Z3r0_ said:

Yes.  They weren't as common as the J-5s (MiG-17s) or as notorious as the J-7s (MiG-21s), but they were present, and did score a few kills against American aircraft.

 

Wasn't that technically the F-6, and not the J-6? Since the F-6 is the foreign export variant.

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On 31/05/2020 at 10:46, Borotovas said:

 

Wasn't that technically the F-6, and not the J-6? Since the F-6 is the foreign export variant.

 

Yes, though iirc there's no functional difference at all, just the designation change.

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54 minutes ago, Z3r0_ said:

Yes, though iirc there's no functional difference at all, just the designation change.

 

I could see the F-6 being a premium, and the J-6 being in the tech tree. I'd rather keep some historical accuracy. There already is a naming disaster with the J-4, which never existed.

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How about this J-6III? This thing has wingtip-mounting PL-2 so it will have less drag from sidewinder mounting, leading to slight performantial superior than that of existing J-6A/IV(1975).

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