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9P157 Khrizantema-S: Big Game Hunter


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Do you want this vehicle in Warthunder?   

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  1. 1. Do you want this vehicle in Warthunder?

    • Yes
      58
    • No
      7
  2. 2. Which BR is most suitable for the Khrizantema-S?

    • 9.7
      24
    • 10.0
      20
    • 10.3
      15
    • 10.7
      8
    • I said no
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The 9P157 Khrizantema-S is currently the most modern ATGM tank destroyer fielded by the Russian army. Its place would be at the top of the Soviet ground tech tree, as Rank VII TD. Its general design pretty much follows the same philosophy as the Shturm-S (whom it was meant to replace in service) but built on a BMP-3 chassis and using much more advanced equipment. The vehicle was designed and manufactured by KBM, was unveiled to the public in 1996 and entered service in 2004.

The 9P157 is based on the BMP-3 chassis but is not fitted with a turret. Instead the troop compartment is filled with a twin round retractable pedestal launcher which is connected to an automatic loader with capability for 15 missiles. The 9P157 has an optical sight (which includes a thermal channel) with laser for SACLOS guidance of the laser guided version of the 9M123 missile. Additionally a retractable radar is mounted for detecting targets for the MMW radar version of the 9M123. The vehicle can also use its radar to track and lock on ground targets and also to guide missiles instead of using the laser. This capability is mainly for defeating visual countermeasures employed by enemy vehicles, such as smoke, and to avoid triggering laser warning systems. The vehicle can launch two missiles in tandem against the same target or make two launches against two targets simultaneously (using laser to guide one missile and radar to guide the other one).  The launcher has powered traverse through 170º.

The 9M123 Khrizantema guided missile family are all supersonic with an average flight speed of 400 m/s, their warheads have a  diameter of 150mm. The different missiles are the following:
 

 

UPDATED:

 

  • 9M123 - Laser guidance with tandem HEAT warhead. Penetration is 1500mm RHA or 1250 behind ERA  ( WEG 2011 Vol. 1 page 6-65 or 285 of pdf file).
  • 9M123-2 - Radar guidance with tandem HEAT warhead. Penetration is 1500mm RHA or 1250 behind ERA ( WEG 2011 Vol. 1 page 6-65 or 285 of pdf file). 
  • 9M123F - Laser guidance with thermobaric warhead.
  • 9M123F-2 - Radar guidance with thermobaric warhead.
  • 9M123 Khrizantema-M - Upgraded version with extended range and combination of wave radar along with laser beam riding guidance

 

Since Khrizantema-S is built upon BMP-3, its armor layout is exactly the same. Meaning that the front armor can protect the 2 man crew from 20-30mm autocannon fire. Khrizantema-S also features the same engine and transmission as BMP-3 granting the same mobility parameters both in land and in water. Also like BMP-3, the Khrizantema-S suspension is adjustable hydropneumatic allowing the ground clearance to be adjusted from 190 mm to 510 mm.

 


Sources:
https://www.kbm.ru/en/production/ptrk/530.html
http://weaponsystems.net/weaponsystem/CC02 - 9P157.html
https://www.armyrecognition.com/russia_russian_army_light_armoured_vehicle_uk/bmp-3_khrizantema_khrizantema-s_9p157_technical_data_sheet_specifications_description_pictures.html
http://www.deagel.com/Defensive-Weapons/Khrizantema-M_a001007002.aspx
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9M123_Khrizantema
https://www.soldf.com/download/freebooks/WEG 2011 Vol 1 Ground Systems.pdf

Edited by Alan_Tovarishch

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  • 3 weeks later...

Oh i forgot to clarify that the updated penetration values distinguish between effectiveness against targets reinforce with ERA and those who lack ERA. In other words, currently all tandem warheads ingame are underperforming against tanks without ERA and that should be fixed.

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Comrades today we raise the Glorious Red Flag in a sign of Victory! Our beloved S*turm will finally be avenged by its big brother, the Khrizantema!

Our dear BIg Game Hunter is coming and it has its full capabilities, including the multi target simultaneous hit! (well, predictably the missile is missing about 300mm of penetration because tandem warheads are not correctly modelled, but the bug report i made months ago on the issue has been approved and passed to the developers, but still the vehicle has impressive capabilities)

 

We should all be very happy for this, i want to thank everyone who showed support for this suggestion!

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4 hours ago, Alan_Tovarishch said:

Comrades today we raise the Glorious Red Flag in a sign of Victory! Our beloved S*turm will finally be avenged by its big brother, the Khrizantema!

Our dear BIg Game Hunter is coming and it has its full capabilities, including the multi target simultaneous hit! (well, predictably the missile is missing about 300mm of penetration because tandem warheads are not correctly modelled, but the bug report i made months ago on the issue has been approved and passed to the developers, but still the vehicle has impressive capabilities)

 

We should all be very happy for this, i want to thank everyone who showed support for this suggestion!

 

Now let's just hope the launchers don't take another 10 seconds to extend. Also get ready for screamings about Russian Bias cause first ground vehicle with ground-target radar (even though the German heli now has fire-and-forget missiles and ground radar, but we all know the whiners will ignore that part).

 

Groundwork for A-10, MiG-27, Viggen, F-18, etc. is now done, what that is going to do to the game is a whole different matter.

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On 15/05/2020 at 11:42, jackTIGR said:

 

Now let's just hope the launchers don't take another 10 seconds to extend. Also get ready for screamings about Russian Bias cause first ground vehicle with ground-target radar (even though the German heli now has fire-and-forget missiles and ground radar, but we all know the whiners will ignore that part).

 

Groundwork for A-10, MiG-27, Viggen, F-18, etc. is now done, what that is going to do to the game is a whole different matter.

A-10 doesn't have radar.

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About 9P157:

In short film in russian:

1) radar can seek and lock target (ATGM radio guidance);

2) radar turns with rocket launcher so we have more than +/- 7 degrees horizontal radar sector;

2) radar can lock slow flying targets like helicopters and planes;

3) amphibious +10 km/h (BMP-3 base);

4) ATGM fly upper line of sight and move down before target.

4) autoloader = 15 ATGMs (in film);

5) +70 km/h ground speed;

6) multi guidance: radio and optics = double shot;

7) nightvision and thermal sight.

 

 

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55 minutes ago, a111asv said:

4) ATGM fly upper line of sight and move down before target.

That is a feature that first came up with the Shturm and continued with Ataka and Khrizantema. It's done so that the ATGM doesn't obscure shooter LOS to the target during flight, with the missile lining up to the target just before the impact (about 200mts IRC). However this feature is really relevant for the super long ranges of 3km+ that these missiles are meant to operate. However for that to work, the shooter has to use the laser rangefinder before shooting, so that the missile "knows" when to drop to LOS. IMO this feature while would be nice in game would complicate the operation of these missiles so i don´t know if its worthy.

 

Let´s keep those videos close by, since they prove that the radar and launching arm take no more than 10 seconds to extend. @jackTIGR

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  • Senior Suggestion Moderator

As the 9P157-2 has been added as per update 1.99 Starfighters,

 

Moved to Implemented Suggestions.:salute:

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