Polish Ground Forces Tech Tree

[Bend_Ova 110]

Don't forget the 2P27! As well as the Polish T-64's! Some Poles also operated captured Pz 4's for training while fighting in Africa!

[RazNaRok 616]

4 hours ago, Not_from_Tokyo said:

...As well as the Polish T-64's!

 

Ermmm What ?

Any historical evidence for Polish Forces operating a T-64's except the movie: "Aquarium, or the loneliness of a spy" - a TV miniseries Polish-German-Ukrainian production of 1995 directed by Antoni Krauze and with script based on the novel by Aquikus Viktor Suvorov.?

 

 

Edited June 1, 2020 by RazNaRok

[EpicBlitzkrieg87 8,350]

 

Here's the air version

Edited June 15, 2020 by EpicBlitzkrieg87

[RazNaRok 616]

 

1.

Add early versions (mk.1a) of Hurricane, Spitfire and Fairey Battle.

Poland bought those just before outbreak of WWII, and group of pilots was sent to UK for evaluation tests.

 

2.

Premium line, add P-39 AirCobra. /

 

First was the personal available aircraft of the general of arms pil. Fyodor Polynin while still in service in Soviet aviation.

Appointed in October 1944 as a Polish aviation commander, he flew his business aircraft on October 31, 1944 to the airport Hyże near Zamość.

After the recall of General Połynin in May 1947 to the USSR, "Airacobra" remained in Polish aviation, still serving as an available aircraft of the Polish Air Force Command.

Business flights were continued there. In 1948, they were written down from the state of flying equipment, handed over to the Technical School of the Air Forces in Boernerowo.

 

The other was found at the PKP Radom node, on a lory loaded with the crates in those was a complete P-39 "Airacobra" aircraft . The local military authorities showed no interest and the plane was soon brought to Warsaw. It was set up in the exhibit hall of the Engineering School as learning aid for aircraft construction classes. For several semesters it was used for classes, especially in the 4th year of the Airframe Section and the Engine and Equipment Section at the Faculty of Aeronautics. After joining this university with the Warsaw Polytechnic P-39, it was moved to the hall in the complex of buildings of the polytechnic. Over the next few years the plane served as a scientific aid. As technology progressed, the design lost its importance and Airacobra fell into oblivion. In the first years of the 21st century, the remains of the polytechnic "Airacobra" were given to the Polish Aviation Museum in Krakow

 

3.

"Grot" IMO only to premium line or forget.

Known photos show only a utility mockup built for the evaluation committee, of the TS-16RD a single seater / single engine version.

Possible flight model data comes from tunnel model aerodynamic tests. TS-16RD "Grot" remained in the preliminary design stage and in the form of a utility mock-up of natural size.

 

 

Edited June 15, 2020 by RazNaRok

[Miki00556 2]

It is strange that abroad, they are more optimistic about this project than they are with us.

 

[Solarmod 1,204]

7 hours ago, Miki00556 said:

It is strange that abroad, they are more optimistic about this project than they are with us.

 

I agree but also I hate your profile pic. That is horrifying

[Miki00556 2]

12 hours ago, Solarmod said:

I agree but also I hate your profile pic. That is horrifying

Sonicolas Cage isn't exist, he can't hurts You xD

[Solarmod 1,204]

1 hour ago, Miki00556 said:

Sonicolas Cage isn't exist, he can't hurts You xD

Anyhow yeah it is curious how negative people who are native are, but how optimistic others are. I really think Poland would be interesting.

[Bend_Ova 110]

On 01/06/2020 at 07:15, RazNaRok said:

 

Ermmm What ?

Any historical evidence for Polish Forces operating a T-64's except the movie: "Aquarium, or the loneliness of a spy" - a TV miniseries Polish-German-Ukrainian production of 1995 directed by Antoni Krauze and with script based on the novel by Aquikus Viktor Suvorov.?

 

 

Actually it appears that I was wrong. Must be the Butterfly effect. Oh well.

[Bend_Ova 110]

I will make the addition of a lesser known Captured Panther made by the Tadeusz Kosciuszko Division towards the end of the war in Europe. 

 

It was a Panther G, although it’s uncertain if the gun mantlet is of the last model or not. There is not too much writing on it other than art and a single photograph that I was able to come across. The markings and attended parade are undeniably Polish. 

The fate of this capture must be that of other German captures in 1950; being scrapped under the eye of Stalinists. 
 

I recommend this as an event vehicle for the Polish tree.

Edited June 21, 2020 by Not_from_Tokyo
Picture addition

[TheGaiaphage 118]

Here are some Polish-made vehicles that could be added to the tech tree:
 

Spoiler

BWP-40

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/BWP-40

 

BWO-40

https://militarium.net/index-phpoptioncom_contentviewarticleid38polsko-szwedzkie-bojowe-wozy-opancerzone-bwp-40-i-bwo-40catid7polskie-projektyitemid9/

 

Borsuk IFV

https://www.monch.com/mpg/news/land/5890-mspo-hsw-borsuk.html

 

Rosomak with a ZSSW-30 turret (same turret as on the Borsuk)

https://www.overtdefense.com/2020/04/14/zssw-30-remote-turret-system-for-polish-ifvs/

 

Rosomak with a Cockerill XC-8 120HP turret

http://fighting-vehicles.com/kto-rosomak/

 

Anders IFV with a HITFIST-30P turret + 2x Spike LR launchers

https://below-the-turret-ring.blogspot.com/2016/08/back-from-dead-anders-and-pt-16.html

 

 

Edited June 21, 2020 by TheGaiaphage

[Bend_Ova 110]

6 hours ago, TheGaiaphage said:

Here are some Polish-made vehicles that could be added to the tech tree:
 

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BWP-40

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/BWP-40

 

Borsuk IFV

https://www.monch.com/mpg/news/land/5890-mspo-hsw-borsuk.html

 

Rosomak with a ZSSW-30 turret (same turret as on the Borsuk)

https://www.overtdefense.com/2020/04/14/zssw-30-remote-turret-system-for-polish-ifvs/

 

Rosomak with a Cockerill XC-8 120HP turret

http://fighting-vehicles.com/kto-rosomak/

 

Anders IFV with a HITFIST-30P turret + 2x Spike LR launchers

https://below-the-turret-ring.blogspot.com/2016/08/back-from-dead-anders-and-pt-16.html

 

BWO-40 would be better instead of the BWP-40.

[TheGaiaphage 118]

31 minutes ago, Not_from_Tokyo said:

BWO-40 would be better instead of the BWP-40.

 

Added that one to the list, there's no reason why we can't have both.

 

[Bend_Ova 110]

2 hours ago, TheGaiaphage said:

 

Added that one to the list, there's no reason why we can't have both.

 

Oh ok, I didn’t know. Thanks!

[Xenecrite 899]

Spoiler

 

[AftiksPL 197]

Is it polish T-34-100? It looks different from the Soviet one.

[RazNaRok 616]

On 25/07/2020 at 12:32, AftiksPL said:

Is it polish T-34-100? It looks different from the Soviet one.

 

Nope. It's Soviet prototype.

[RazNaRok 616]

On 21/06/2020 at 13:41, Not_from_Tokyo said:

It was a Panther G, although it’s uncertain if the gun mantlet is of the last model or not.

 

It certainly was a late ausf G model.

Here is better picture:

 

It's gun mantle has an additional armored apron.

Designed to prevent ricocheting of shells to the upper armor plate.

 

Pz.Kptw. V Ausf. G Panther "Bij Wroga Jego Własną Bronią"
1 st Polish Infantry Division
Neu Hardenberg, Germany, May 1945

 

Between May and June of 1945 took place many victory parades of all sizes, all around the Soviet fronts.
One of the dozens of the ceremony's that took place was held by the 1st "Tadeusz Kosciuszko" Infantry Division's troops in Neu Hardenberg on 22 May 1945. During this parade could be seen a German Pz.Kpfw.V "Panther" Ausf G medium tank, captured by the 1st "Tadeusz Kosciuszko" Infantry Division's troops. The tank was most likely used in the first stand-alone self propeled artillery guns squadron. It still carried the German camouflage pattern with an inscription in the Polish glaces: "BIJ WROGA JEGO WLASNA BRONIA", which means "Hit the Enemy with His Own Weapon", painted on the tank's hull front plate, On the side of the turret was painted recognition insignia: Eagle of the 1st "Tadeusz Kosciuszko" Infantry Division's troops and the tactical number "12"

 

[Solarmod 1,204]

On 28/07/2020 at 15:51, RazNaRok said:

 

Regardless if we get a polish tree or not, me want. Panther is fun and deserves to be at the very least an event vehicle trees can fall to. I abuse the hell out of the Ersatz, for example.

[Bend_Ova 110]

On 28/07/2020 at 13:51, RazNaRok said:

 

It certainly was a late ausf G model.

Here is better picture:

 

It's gun mantle has an additional armored apron.

Designed to prevent ricocheting of shells to the upper armor plate.

 

Pz.Kptw. V Ausf. G Panther "Bij Wroga Jego Własną Bronią"
1 st Polish Infantry Division
Neu Hardenberg, Germany, May 1945

 

Between May and June of 1945 took place many victory parades of all sizes, all around the Soviet fronts.
One of the dozens of the ceremony's that took place was held by the 1st "Tadeusz Kosciuszko" Infantry Division's troops in Neu Hardenberg on 22 May 1945. During this parade could be seen a German Pz.Kpfw.V "Panther" Ausf G medium tank, captured by the 1st "Tadeusz Kosciuszko" Infantry Division's troops. The tank was most likely used in the first stand-alone self propeled artillery guns squadron. It still carried the German camouflage pattern with an inscription in the Polish glaces: "BIJ WROGA JEGO WLASNA BRONIA", which means "Hit the Enemy with His Own Weapon", painted on the tank's hull front plate, On the side of the turret was painted recognition insignia: Eagle of the 1st "Tadeusz Kosciuszko" Infantry Division's troops and the tactical number "12"

 

Thanks for the clarification and the story! That’s great! 

[MusicMike24 0]

We need this.

[sikowski90@psn 26]

I am Polish and I would not like the Polish tree to be in the game not because I do not want it but because 3/4 of the tanks would be copy paste from other nations.  The tank should visually differ a bit, e.g. some bags, ropes, canisters, etc.

[NeXeS-PL@psn 270]

PZA LOARA

[Laviduce 1,779]

+1

[NeXeS-PL@psn 270]

 T-54AM – 1.  

It was a stage of modernization of the T-54A tank, which used, apart from the original Polish solutions, also solutions related to the parallel production of T-55 tanks in Poland.  In addition to the changes specific to the T-54AM tank, the T-54AM - 1 received further modifications to the fuel system, keeping only selected and external elements of the previous version.  The main difference was the significant unification of the type and location of the internal fuel tanks with the T-55 tank - achieved by removing the middle tank located in the rear part of the fighting compartment, at the partition separating this compartment from the engine compartment.  The vacated space was developed with a multi-story shelf for artillery cartridges.  Instead of the middle tank, located in the front part of the hull - on its right side, two tanks were introduced - bunkers (cannon ammunition bunkers taken from the T-55 tank), and two front tanks were replaced with one tank with a larger capacity.  Thanks to the changes, the capacity of the internal fuel tanks was increased by 88 liters - increasing the gun fire unit by nine rounds at the same time.  The reserve of external fuel was also increased, after installing in the rear part of the fuselage handles for the second barrel, holding 200 liters of diesel fuel.  The maximum reserve of a fuel unit increased to 1,140 liters - in the fuel system tanks, and including the reserve placed in barrels, it reached the level of 1,640 liters.

 No less significant modifications included:
 - in the engine lubrication system, the Climate STZ filter was replaced with the MAF filter, equipping the system with the MC-1 centrifugal oil filter,
 - in the engine start-up system, the basic one was introduced - an air start-up system, using two compressed air cylinders, loaded into them by a compressor, driven through a transmission by the tank's engine,
 - the tank steering system uses hydraulic amplifiers of planetary steering mechanisms (PMS) and the main clutch (reducing the pressure on the clutch pedal from approx. 50 to 12 - 13 kg) - significantly reducing the driver's effort needed to drive the tank.

 A special feature of the PMS - designated HK-10, was the placement of two control levers between the legs of the mechanic - the driver, which made it possible to operate both with one hand.  The force required to change the position of the steering lever decreased from approx. 30-35 kg to 8-9 kg.  In the event of a failure of the HK-10 hydraulic support, the levers had to be mounted in the traditional way to continue driving - such levers were carried in the tank.  An important change from the point of view of the conditions and safety of the loader work was the installation of the turret floor.  On the other hand, the improvement of the active shield resulted in the introduction of thermal smoke-generating devices, which replaced the previously used smoke candles.

 As can be seen from the above, the modernization process of the T-54AM-1 was characterized by similar characteristics to the T-55 tank.  This led to the creation of the next two versions: T-54AM - 2 and T-55U, the second of which became the last modernization of the T-54A tanks of Polish production, carried out serially in the Polish People's Republic.

Edited October 28, 2020 by NeXeS-PL@psn