Czechoslovak Ground Forces Tech Tree

[Kolenovr 22]

Definitely voted yes. Czechoslovakians had some amazing tech, even adopted by Germany. For example the Maus suspension was Czech designed...or Jagdpanzer 38, also Czechoslovakian design. They either had their own stuff or eastern pact. So its good addition for the game. Unlike the Chinese that have coppies of nato/ussr.

[Asghaad 2,476]

 ... why ...

 

people please come to your senses, we already have TOO MANY tech trees as it is ...

 

Czech tech should be rolled into German tech tree pre-war and Russian tech tree post war because that is the reality of what happened.

Creating separate tech tree would be absolute waste of time.

[Helliott 1]

I agree, they should do it like the South African sub tech tree in the British tree

[BadassOscar94 68]

-1 I suggest not another country with allot of copy paste vehicles, i suggest to add the Czech unique vehicles in a minor tree as its own line with in it, like what Gaijin did with South Africa. 

[Yontzee 1,674]

The Czech Republic and Slovakia have always had good domestic arms programs. However, I think they should be part of an Eastern European tree with Ukraine, Romania, Hungary, etc. Nevertheless fantastic idea, hope to see it in-game! +1

[HufnagelPista 135]

12 hours ago, Yontzee said:

Eastern European tree with Ukraine, Romania, Hungary,

Ukrain and Hungary is not the biggest friends of each other right now, and because of the politics, that relationship in the future most likely wil not change for the better.
If u prefer the Czech Republic, and Slovakia as a part of an other TT, then there is the Visegrad 4 TT.

[sakun1235305 0]

i agree that right now there are better things to do than adding a new tech tree but can you imagine how will they devide more than 55 original ground veahicles and more than 40 original aircraft into another tech trees ?? (and i have feeling that they actualy even have a helicoper but i am not sure)

 

 

i think the cs deserves its own separate tech tree but not yet 

at first gaijin should fix br chnges and at least try to balnce the game

Edited March 16, 2021 by sakun1235305

[Yontzee 1,674]

1 hour ago, HufnagelPista said:

Ukrain and Hungary is not the biggest friends of each other right now, and because of the politics, that relationship in the future most likely wil not change for the better.
If u prefer the Czech Republic, and Slovakia as a part of an other TT, then there is the Visegrad 4 TT.

I saw that. It doesn’t necessarily have to be those countries, I’m not to familiar with Ukraine-Hungary relations, I just support an Eastern Europe tree. 

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Czechslovakia-Poland-Hungary  ->axis influence on most ww2 vehicles,switched to Nato tech in the modern era

Romania-Yugoslavia-Ukrain        ->finished the war on allied side, all of them stayed with upgrading Russian tech

[Abaddon75 460]

On 17/03/2021 at 12:52, Jacky95 said:

Czechslovakia-Poland-Hungary  ->axis influence on most ww2 vehicles,switched to Nato tech in the modern era

Romania-Yugoslavia-Ukrain        ->finished the war on allied side, all of them stayed with upgrading Russian tech

nice point I was wondering how we could make a combine tree with central and eastern europe country and this is point I never think of. Also Austria could join Hungary. All of them got and used a lot of soviet material. But does those have all fare chance of naval TT? It bother me a little that the Yugoslavian navy inherited some of the Austria-Hungaria ships because of the copy paste, but I guess in thos smaller naval forces copy paste is inevitable. They could go all 6 (7 with Austria) to the same TT like China TT if needed.

Edited March 22, 2021 by Abaddon75

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5 hours ago, Abaddon75 said:

nice point I was wondering how we could make a combine tree with central and eastern europe country and this is point I never think of. Also Austria could join Hungary. All of them got and used a lot of soviet material. But does those have all fare chance of naval TT? It bother me a little that the Yugoslavian navy inherited some of the Austria-Hungaria ships because of the copy paste, but I guess in thos smaller naval forces copy paste is inevitable. They could go all 6 (7 with Austria) to the same TT like China TT if needed.

Romania brings a solid navy bought from mostly Italy,Brittain and the A-H monarchy so that solves the naval problem for Yugoslavia and Ukrain.

 

 

[Abaddon75 460]

6 hours ago, Jacky95 said:

Romania brings a solid navy bought from mostly Italy,Brittain and the A-H monarchy so that solves the naval problem for Yugoslavia and Ukrain.

 

 

Well I certainly don't want to start an argument on naval issue here do you have any link to a website showing the romanian fleet from 1930 to 1990? 'cause on navypedia website it's quite underwelming but some could be missing. Also there is already a Yugoslavian naval TT suggested and it has good potential, do we have the same for Romania?

 

NB: I'm talking about blue water fleet, 'cause coastal fleet they have more than enough.

Edited March 23, 2021 by Abaddon75

[Asghaad 2,476]

On 17/03/2021 at 12:52, Jacky95 said:

Czechslovakia-Poland-Hungary  ->axis influence on most ww2 vehicles,switched to Nato tech in the modern era

Romania-Yugoslavia-Ukrain        ->finished the war on allied side, all of them stayed with upgrading Russian tech

 

i will speak for Czechs only because i dont know anything about the other nations mentioned, BUT the tech we use is STILL old ComBlock stuff with only exception being the Airforce that runs Swedish Grippens... helicopters, most planes, tanks, artillery, most APCs, AAA ... all either directly Russian tech or heavily influenced by it... so no, the "swithched to NATO tech" is absolutely not true - we are TRYING to modernize with western arms, but its slow going and the chance of actually modernizing whole arsenal to NATO gear is slim to none...

 

considering how far we are from that the most sensible thing would be to put any viable tech into a RUSSIAN tech tree as sub branch... same thing would probably apply to any nation that used to be part of the ComBlock...

 

 

Edited March 23, 2021 by Asghaad

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8 hours ago, Asghaad said:

 

i will speak for Czechs only because i dont know anything about the other nations mentioned, BUT the tech we use is STILL old ComBlock stuff with only exception being the Airforce that runs Swedish Grippens... helicopters, most planes, tanks, artillery, most APCs, AAA ... all either directly Russian tech or heavily influenced by it... so no, the "swithched to NATO tech" is absolutely not true - we are TRYING to modernize with western arms, but its slow going and the chance of actually modernizing whole arsenal to NATO gear is slim to none...

 

considering how far we are from that the most sensible thing would be to put any viable tech into a RUSSIAN tech tree as sub branch... same thing would probably apply to any nation that used to be part of the ComBlock...

thats true, however Czechia did buy and is buying more American helicopters,the IFV too will be nato(ascod or lynx)..and the gripen ofc. 

The reason iam against putting Czechia into the Russian tree is the axis influenced ww2 tech, the naval part(their part in building the monarchy's navy) and the indigenously designed jets...They dont have as much in common with Russian tech as Ukrain or Yugoslavia or Romania.

 

Yes the Czechs are putting the mbt replacement on shelf now which makes the T-72M4 CZ their top tier mbt, but Polland and Hungary makes up for that with their Leopards(Polish modifications and the 2A7+HU)..

 

The point in putting these nations together in one tree is that you can filter out the c&p because you have 2 more nations filling in with unique and indigenous designs.

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8 hours ago, Abaddon75 said:

Well I certainly don't want to start an argument on naval issue here do you have any link to a website showing the romanian fleet from 1930 to 1990? 'cause on navypedia website it's quite underwelming but some could be missing. Also there is already a Yugoslavian naval TT suggested and it has good potential, do we have the same for Romania?

 

NB: I'm talking about blue water fleet, 'cause coastal fleet they have more than enough.

i too only looked at the wiki, to my knoweledge there is no Ro.naval suggestion here in the forums.

 

Altho i dont know how important naval is for Gaijin as France has been missing on since eternity, Sweden and China are standalones, but the point in putting nations together in a mixed tree is maximalizing the unique tech and minimizing the holes and c&p.

 

I and many others are passionatelly against giving monarchy vessels to Yugoslavia that they did not use, like the Viribus Unitis. WoW already pulled this bs, introducing it as a yugo ship and it caused a shtstorm understandibly.

People should understand that giving one of the crown jewel vessels to an enemy that did not even get the chance to use it furthermore the allies did not award them it, is like giving the crown jewels of the German navy to Russia....Would anyone like that? No! Would there be a shtstorm? yes.

Edited March 23, 2021 by Jacky95

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As for the potential of the Yugo navy. The yugo ground forces has big holes in progression, aviation has a lot of repetition and is quite bland for a good part for the nation to be standalone. Not to mention helicopters.....They can be a standalone nation like China,(even better quality than the Chinese one) but than every nation can do that and players, lets be honest, are not that happy with the Chinese style of standalone nations... Thats why i see mixed trees as a great solution for both gaijin and the players.

Edited March 23, 2021 by Jacky95

[Asghaad 2,476]

1 hour ago, Jacky95 said:

thats true, however Czechia did buy and is buying more American helicopters,the IFV too will be nato(ascod or lynx)..and the gripen ofc. 

The reason iam against putting Czechia into the Russian tree is the axis influenced ww2 tech, the naval part(their part in building the monarchy's navy) and the indigenously designed jets...They dont have as much in common with Russian tech as Ukrain or Yugoslavia or Romania.

 

Yes the Czechs are putting the mbt replacement on shelf now which makes the T-72M4 CZ their top tier mbt, but Polland and Hungary makes up for that with their Leopards(Polish modifications and the 2A7+HU)..

 

The point in putting these nations together in one tree is that you can filter out the c&p because you have 2 more nations filling in with unique and indigenous designs.

 

the whopping two WW2 era tanks dont have to be in the sub tree at all, the Russian tree is well fleshed out so you can start where you want and to be frank the T72M4 CZ would be the only tank you would really want to see because anything else would be just copy/paste. I would personally use it as event/battlepass vehicle

 

Same for any Polish/Hungarian Leopard - just put it in the APROPRIATE  (ie - german for this case) tech tree as a premium/event/battlepass vehicle  - that should be standard response to any "one off" vehicle people of certain nationality ask for especially if its export (and therefore more than likely cut down) version of vehicle already in the tech tree...

Edited March 23, 2021 by Asghaad

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32 minutes ago, Asghaad said:

 

the whopping two WW2 era tanks dont have to be in the sub tree at all, the Russian tree is well fleshed out so you can start where you want and to be frank the T72M4 CZ would be the only tank you would really want to see because anything else would be just copy/paste. I would personally use it as event/battlepass vehicle

 

Same for any Polish/Hungarian Leopard - just put it in the APROPRIATE  (ie - german for this case) tech tree as a premium/event/battlepass vehicle  - that should be standard response to any "one off" vehicle people of certain nationality ask for especially if its export (and therefore more than likely cut down) version of vehicle already in the tech tree...

whoopin 10 unique ww2 czech ground vehicles + premiums

21~ unique Hungarian ww2 era ground vehicles with the premiums included

..etc

Edited March 23, 2021 by Jacky95

[Abaddon75 460]

Tbh adding lines of smaller nations in one big nation because of their use of the same design, plus some local design lead to a point where TT will be just unreadable, just the case of South Africa, if we think about it, Canada, Australia and India produce some stuff too. Should we put a line in the British TT for each one. Some would prefer to see a commonwealth TT instead. Having the same idea for Soviet TT by adding stuff made by ex Varsovy forces country would extend the TT so much it's gonna be hard to understand for new players. I know that Ex-Yugoslavian country have a hard times in history, mixing them together could **** off some of them but mixing them to USSR would be the same-ish. China may not have a great number of fan on EU server but I still come across of them quite regularly, and I don't know how it is on asian server. Also remember that China and Taiwan are not in the best term too but still in the same TT.

 

As for the navy from 3 last country it will come one day but understand that ships are massive to produce, and in some cases like France, the lack of info on small torpedo boat could make the R&D period longer.

[Asghaad 2,476]

11 hours ago, Jacky95 said:

whoopin 10 unique ww2 czech ground vehicles + premiums

21~ unique Hungarian ww2 era ground vehicles with the premiums included

..etc

 

 

let me guess, you include things like Czech produces Stug or lets say the "Hetzer" as czech ... instead of GERMAN machines ...

 

throughout the WW2 only Lt. Vz 35 and Lt Vz 38 would be actual Czech machines (with maybe some light armored trucks and likes, but as far as actual tanks go THOSE were the only ones) anything produced after 1938 up to 1945 was GERMAN ...

 

and ffs no paper prototypes or one off proof of concept nonsense ... which is nbotorious problem of these pipedream "tech trees" you people are so desperate to include anything that you would stuff things that never even existed in there just because some engineer had an idea and put it on piece of paper ...

 

lets see the first post and see how many problems i can spot in few minutes :

 

1. oh boy Lt Vz 35 and 38 are included in BOTH light and medium tank lines ... great start there  ... newsflash the Lt is abreviation of "Lehky tank" - a LIGHT TANK ...

 

2. T-15 - 5 built, prototype stage, never mass produced

 

3. nothing else in the WW2 era light line, first vehicle after that is 1962s OT-62B - a tracked tin can with laughable armament and even more laughable "armor" ...

 

4. followed by copy over copy over copy of BVP/ BMP ... awesome

 

5. then there is Medium line that starts with once again the only two real tanks of WW2 - Lt 35 and Lt 38 ...

 

6. Skoda S-II-b - 1 prototype - failed

 

7. Skoda S-III - 2 prototypes - failed

 

8. Skoda SP-II-b - 1 prototype - failed

 

9. Skoda T-23M - 1 prototype - failed

 

10. and everything after that is copy/paste of soviet machines with oh so lovely SEVEN copies of T-54 ...

 

 

no just NOOOOOOOOO ... a "tree" built on failed prototypes that often were nothing more than MOCKUPS  ... and disgusting number of copy/paste machines from soviets ...

 

 

Lt 35/38 are already represented in the German tree

 

the T72M3 CZ would fit nicely into Soviet tech tree as premium/ event vehicle

 

same thing with few other interresting machines like few of the self propelled howitzers

 

everything else is just prototype garbage that is just LAUGHABLE ...

12 hours ago, Abaddon75 said:

Tbh adding lines of smaller nations in one big nation because of their use of the same design, plus some local design lead to a point where TT will be just unreadable, just the case of South Africa, if we think about it, Canada, Australia and India produce some stuff too. Should we put a line in the British TT for each one. Some would prefer to see a commonwealth TT instead. Having the same idea for Soviet TT by adding stuff made by ex Varsovy forces country would extend the TT so much it's gonna be hard to understand for new players. I know that Ex-Yugoslavian country have a hard times in history, mixing them together could **** off some of them but mixing them to USSR would be the same-ish. China may not have a great number of fan on EU server but I still come across of them quite regularly, and I don't know how it is on asian server. Also remember that China and Taiwan are not in the best term too but still in the same TT.

 

As for the navy from 3 last country it will come one day but understand that ships are massive to produce, and in some cases like France, the lack of info on small torpedo boat could make the R&D period longer.

 

 

which is why you dont create "lines" you just put few interesting vehicles as premium/event vehicles ... no need to clutter the tech trees with tons of copy/paste when each of these nations produced 1 or two designs of note that would be nice additions ...

 

 

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8 hours ago, Asghaad said:

lets see the first post and see how many problems i can spot in few minutes :

no, did not count german vehicles. and it seems to me you dont understand the criterias of vehicle addition

 

everything thats unfinished prototype and above is eligible for its adition to the game if there is enough information of it. You should look at how many vehicles are in the game, in normal tech trees that never made it through tests.You be asthonished. So your arguement is irrelevant. All of the counted vehicles are built and tested prototypes at least. Gaijin does not care if something failed or not.

 

So yes there are 10 unique Czech ww2 vehicles, not counting premiums (nor the post ww2 ones) that are fully eligible for addition to the game, and you can view them in the Visegrad concept tree.

If you dont like the vehicles thats your preference.

[Asghaad 2,476]

1 hour ago, Jacky95 said:

no, did not count german vehicles. and it seems to me you dont understand the criterias of vehicle addition

 

everything thats unfinished prototype and above is eligible for its adition to the game if there is enough information of it. You should look at how many vehicles are in the game, in normal tech trees that never made it through tests.You be asthonished. So your arguement is irrelevant. All of the counted vehicles are built and tested prototypes at least. Gaijin does not care if something failed or not.

 

So yes there are 10 unique Czech ww2 vehicles, not counting premiums (nor the post ww2 ones) that are fully eligible for addition to the game, and you can view them in the Visegrad concept tree.

If you dont like the vehicles thats your preference.

 

 

eligible doesnt mean you can fill whole tree with prototypes that werent even built properly ...

 

some of them were literally NOT made from armor grade steel and thus only MOCKUPS barely above wooden one ...

 

one or two prototypes in fully fleshed tree is fine, usually reserved to PREMIUMS ... main body of the tech tree comprised of nothing but prototypes then followed by ctrl+c / ctrl-v is NOT viable ...

 

listen i get it, i would also want to see some more interesting vehicles we produced throughout the years in the game but NOT as a tech tree, we have MORE than enough of those ingame already, hell in my opinion there should be only TWO trees (Allies vs Axis in WW2 era NATO vs ComBlock in the post war era ...) but thats never going to happen even if it would make most sense and allow vehicles of minor nations to be added without any restrictions (just restrict Premium vehicle bonuses by nationality to preserve the economy) ...

Edited March 24, 2021 by Asghaad

[Abaddon75 460]

1 hour ago, Asghaad said:

 

 

eligible doesnt mean you can fill whole tree with prototypes that werent even built properly ...

 

some of them were literally NOT made from armor grade steel and thus only MOCKUPS barely above wooden one ...

 

one or two prototypes in fully fleshed tree is fine, usually reserved to PREMIUMS ... main body of the tech tree comprised of nothing but prototypes then followed by ctrl+c / ctrl-v is NOT viable ...

 

listen i get it, i would also want to see some more interesting vehicles we produced throughout the years in the game but NOT as a tech tree, we have MORE than enough of those ingame already, hell in my opinion there should be only TWO trees (Allies vs Axis in WW2 era NATO vs ComBlock in the post war era ...) but thats never going to happen even if it would make most sense and allow vehicles of minor nations to be added without any restrictions (just restrict Premium vehicle bonuses by nationality to preserve the economy) ...

Tbh I didn't look deeper on what are the actual tanks background, I just read an interesting idea that imo could help minor nation to have their place and it's like the chinese TT (and I hope like the swedish one too) : regroop together some country that may have tec or historical link that could justify them to be together. Sure it means we will see a lot of prototype and copy paste tanks, but trust me there is a lot of tanks modified or designed by lets say China, that are nit in the game and they are not always a copy paste tank with a new gun, so why not combine Czech tec with some other central or eastern european country? Those prototypes if they got enough work into it irl, could be added in a way or an other... also I understand your wish of more ww2 and cold war organised battle but you can make it in simulation battles, while the the realist and arcade needs short waiting times before a battle.

Edited March 24, 2021 by Abaddon75

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1 hour ago, Asghaad said:

 

 

eligible doesnt mean you can fill whole tree with prototypes that werent even built properly ...

 

some of them were literally NOT made from armor grade steel and thus only MOCKUPS barely above wooden one ...

 

one or two prototypes in fully fleshed tree is fine, usually reserved to PREMIUMS ... main body of the tech tree comprised of nothing but prototypes then followed by ctrl+c / ctrl-v is NOT viable ...

 

listen i get it, i would also want to see some more interesting vehicles we produced throughout the years in the game but NOT as a tech tree, we have MORE than enough of those ingame already, hell in my opinion there should be only TWO trees (Allies vs Axis in WW2 era NATO vs ComBlock in the post war era ...) but thats never going to happen even if it would make most sense and allow vehicles of minor nations to be added without any restrictions (just restrict Premium vehicle bonuses by nationality to preserve the economy) ...

thats why there are other options besides being a standalone.I too prefer something else than the chinese style standalone tree, but i also dont want to buy 10-20 premiums, neither do i want clusterfuk trees like what Italy could end up like...TR mbt's backin up Ariettes Its also better monetization for Gaijin if its not just a sub tree that barely brings in money. And thats why i think that new mixed trees are the way to go that are based on alliances, and similarities. Just as i pointed it out in my first comment. That way we have only the unique tech with barely any c&p, making a tree on par with trees like Japan at minimum.

Edited March 24, 2021 by Jacky95

[janik89 3]

On 11/03/2021 at 16:20, Asghaad said:

 ... why ...

 

people please come to your senses, we already have TOO MANY tech trees as it is ...

 

Czech tech should be rolled into German tech tree pre-war and Russian tech tree post war because that is the reality of what happened.

Creating separate tech tree would be absolute waste of time.

To german tree? Germans copying our early projects. If theres anything I do not want to see in WT its Czech tanks in german tree.