Czechoslovak Ground Forces Tech Tree

[AftiksPL 197]

28 minutes ago, TADAMAT said:

Added some toptier tanks and moved/removed some tanks to ease the grind:

So sad that we probablly never will find more info on post war variants of T-15, TNH-57-900 and panther based spg's.

Edited December 26, 2022 by AftiksPL

[Yontzee 1,676]

42 minutes ago, TADAMAT said:

Added some toptier tanks and moved/removed some tanks to ease the grind:

https://warthunderczechoslovakia.neocities.org/czechoslovak_ground_tree.html

 

Following vehicles have been added to the techtree

 

Leopard 2A4 (rank VI, BR 10.0)

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Armament: 120mm Rh120 L/44
Max speed: 72km/h
Armor:
500mm against APFSDS
1100mm against HEAT

 

 

CV90 MkIV CZ (Rank VII, BR 10.7)

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Armament:
30mm Bushmaster II
2x Spike-LR
Max speed: 70km/h
Armor: can protect from 30mm APFSDS
APS: Iron Fist

 

 

CV90 MkIV SK (Rank VII, BR 11.0)

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Armament:
35mm Bushmaster III
2x Spike-LR
Max speed: 70km/h
Armor: can protect from 30mm APFSDS
APS: Iron Fist

 

 

CV90 CZr (Rank VII, BR 10.7, event)

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Armament:
30mm Bushmaster II
2x Spike-LR
Max speed: 70km/h
Armor: can protect from 30mm APFSDS
APS: Iron Fist

 

 

Vehicles removed from the tree

T-72

T-72M3 - now, the T-72M3 will be the base version of T-72M4. Players will now need to research a modification to unlock new engine and transmission to upgrade from T-72M3 to T-72M4, similiarly to T-72B3 being upgraded with new engine in-game. The vehicle will either retain the T-72M4 name or the name will change after the instalation of upgrade

 

 

Other changes

T-55AM2 Kladivo - moved from researchable to premium

T-55AM2 DYNA - now foldered with T-55AM2B Kladivo

BVP-M1 CZ - moved from rank VII to VI

 

 

Number of vehicles after the update:

Rank I: 18 researchable vehicles + 7 premium vehicles

Rank II: 15 researchable vehicles   + 1 premium vehicles

Rank III: 13 researchable vehicles + 3 premium vehicles

Rank IV: 16 researchable vehicles + 5 premium vehicles

Rank V: 18 researchable vehicles + 6 premium/event vehicles

Rank VI: 22 researchable vehicles + 4 premium/event vehicles

Rank VII: 17 researchable vehicles + 4 event vehicle

Total vehicle count: 149 vehicles     (making it the largest tt in game, having 3 vehicles more then the USSR tree)

97 indigenous     (65%)

42 upgrades     (28%)

10 copy-paste (4 of which were produced under license)     (7%)

 

Nice 

[TADAMAT 77]

9 minutes ago, AftiksPL said:

So sad that we probablly never will find more info on post war variants of T-15, TNH-57-900 and panther based spg's.

Yeah. It would have been really cool if Czechoslovakia could finish its post-war tank projects like TVP, or like you mentioned TNH-57-900. Sad that due to Soviet influence, these designs were never build. Still, there is actually enough information about some of the vehicles for them to be added to the game. (certainly more information than for Ho-Ri we have in game), and that does not include only the post-war designs, but WW2 ones like T-24 or T-25 also. Im not going to add these to my proposal to keep the tree clean of any paper designs, but if Gaijin adds some of those project tanks to the actual tree, i would be very happy

[AftiksPL 197]

1 hour ago, TADAMAT said:

these designs were never build

Well, if I remember. Post war modernisation of T-15 have been done. Also at least one panther spg was tested (But no photos unfortunetlly. Worse with TNH-57-900, but at least hull and gun was made. 

[CampenSieAufNERD 1]

On 10/11/2019 at 19:41, PikPikker said:

Hello, I'm going to suggest adding Czechoslovakia as a new nation to the game, and here is Czechoslovak Ground Forces Tech Tree:

https://pikpikker.neocities.org/cz_wt.html

This is my own site where you can enlarge every picture and click any tank to read about it!

The tree as a picture:

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Czechoslovakia is known as a major tank exporter before WW2, having many unique light and medium tanks of that time. A little gap for WW2 period (rank 3) as Czechoslovakia was occupied and supported by Allies. After the WW2 Czechoslovakia was a Warsaw Pact member.

 

In 1993 Czechoslovakia became two separate countries - Czech and Slovakia, and their vehicles are here in the tree as well. Some of them were in service of both countries or were development in joint.

 

Now I will give a little review on each line.

Line 1 - is about light tanks which lead to BMP-1 modern modifications with new turrets and advanced ATGM armament.

Line 2 - Skoda tanks and then medium tanks. In 1930s Skoda and CKD (Praga) factories were fighting who produces a better tank for export, and there were so many of them as I had to make them in separate branches. Then there are medium tanks from the Allies, and after them goes T-34/85 which was produced under license and had several differences from the Soviet one, for example, better armor quality. Its successors are T-54 and T-55 modifications - some of them even got ATGM on turret. Two modern T-72 Czech modernizations conclude this medium tank line.

Line 3 - SPAAG line full of new interesting vehicles. The main difference from other SPAAG lines in the game is that this one starts with a guntruck with a 40 mm AA gun Z-1 on rank 1, but with manual loading, making it more as a tank hunter. 

Line 4 - CKD (Praga) tanks that end with T-40/75, Pz. IV in Czechoslovak service. But after that we get wheeled monsters like twin-gun Jarmila II and 8x8 OT-64 with ATGM.

Line 5 - SPGs. They might look a little boring but even the Czechoslovak StuG was not exactly the same - it got another improved gun shield. Aside from license-produced SD-100 there are many special local-built SPGs like Tatra OT-810D - halftrack-based tank hunter! Dana wheeled howitzer goes next, and self-propelled mortar with some ATGM on board finished the line.

 

I tried to find any aircraft tech trees for Czechoslovakia but there were not any. I had a look at Czechoslovak aircraft lists and it looks like an aircraft tree may be pretty real! 

 

Now I would like to add some words about my tech tree.

At first, I tried avoiding too many copies - and that is why not all the Czechoslovak tanks might be here (for example, there were also Sherman V and M5A1 Stuart).

All the BRs are approximate (or can be totally wrong), and were set as for arcade mode.

All the shown premium tanks can be implemented as available for purchase for Lions, pack specials or any others.

I expect Skoda S.U. and LT vz. 34 to be the Reserve tanks.

 

Vehicle count:

Rank 1: 9 (for research) + 7 (premiums)

Rank 2: 8 + 4

Rank 3: 7 + 2

Rank 4: 8 + 2

Rank 5: 11 + 1

Rank 6: 15 + 3

Rank 7: 6

Total: 83 vehicles (64 without premiums)

 

Here is the vehicle list with all the tank pictures, but only one of them has description - Tatra MT-6. You can access decent sources for all other tanks from my site (I will also answer all the questions regarding my tree if you have any!).

 

Vehicles 

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Line 1 - light tanks

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LT vz. 38

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LT vz. 40

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Skoda T-15

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OT-62B

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BVP-1

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BPzV Svatana

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BVP-2

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BVP-M

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BPsV ISTAR

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BMP-M1 CZ

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BVP-M2 CZSK

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BMP-M2 CZ

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Skoda S.U.

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LT vz. 35

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Skoda S-II-b

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Skoda S-III

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Skoda SP-II-b

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Skoda T-23M

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Cromwell Mk. IV

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T-34/76

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Sherman IC

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T-34/85

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T-54A

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T-54AM

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T-54M

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T-55AMB

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T-55AM1

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T-55AM2

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T-55AM2B

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T-72M2 Moderna

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T-72M4 CZ

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T-72 Scarab

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Line 3 - SPAAGs

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Tatra MT-6

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This SPAAG was developed and a prototype was built in 1930s. 40 mm anti-aircraft gun Z-1 with manual loading (making about 20 rounds per minutes) was installed on unspecified Tatra truck. Needless to say such gun was not taken into service because shooting planes with single shots would be almost impossible. But such SPAAG could be used against tanks of that time well enough.

Skoda PUV-6

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T-34/85 R-10

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M53/59 Praga

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BVP-1 Strop

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Strop II

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ShPLK BRAMS

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RBS-70 VLM Tatra T815

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Line 4 - CKD tanks, wheeled light tanks

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LT vz. 34

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CKD P-II-a

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CKD P-II-b

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CKD V-8-H

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ST vz. 39

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T-40/75

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OT-65A Vydra

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OA S-971 Jarmila 82mm Vz. 59

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OA-82 Jarmila II

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OT-64A SKOT (ATGM)

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OT-64 Cobra

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Line 5 - SPGs

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LKMVP

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SD 75/40N

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ST-I

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Tatra OT-810D

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OT-62D

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SD-100

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152mm SpGH Dana

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152mm ShKH Ondava

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155mm ShKH Zuzana

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155mm ShKH A 40 Himalaya

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155mm ShKH Zuzana 2

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155mm ShKH Diana

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Vz. 85 ShM-120 PRAM-S

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Line 6 - Premiums

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Skoda MU-6

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Skoda T-11

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Praga LTL

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Praga TNHP

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Skoda PA-II-del

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Skoda T-32 Prototyp

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Skoda S-I-SPO

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Skoda T-13M

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Tatra T-III

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Sdkfz.138/1 mit 3cm MK103/38

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Turan 105mm leFH 18

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Cromwell Mk. VIII

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Tiger I 75 mm A 18

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T-34/100

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SD-100 A 20

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RM-51

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RM-70

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155mm Eva

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KBVP

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Sources

The full list of sources is pretty large, and you can access it here: https://pikpikker.neocities.org/about.html

I cannot express how much I would love to see this in game!

[Yontzee 1,676]

 

 

 

Too many fun toys to not be added soon 

 

Something tells me that they're going to drop the T-72M4CZ into the Soviet tree as an event vehicle like the T-72M2 Moderna though... Especially since they have a bunch of Czech/Slovakia-flagged vehicles in the USSR tree already.

 

 

 

Edited January 9, 2023 by Yontzee

[Endrosey 38]

14 hours ago, Yontzee said:

Something tells me that they're going to drop the T-72M4CZ into the Soviet tree as an event vehicle like the T-72M2 Moderna though... Especially since they have a bunch of Czech/Slovakia-flagged vehicles in the USSR tree already.

I hope not, they can't fit all Czechoslovak vehicles un USSR tech tree as event or premiums and it would also **** off many people for several reasons.

[Yontzee 1,676]

11 minutes ago, Endrosey said:

I hope not, they can't fit all Czechoslovak vehicles un USSR tech tree as event or premiums and it would also **** off many people for several reasons.

I agree. Also there's not so much a point to add Czechoslovak vehicles to the USSR when there's already a bunch of Post-Soviet state vehicles that haven't been given the time of day. 

 

I'm also going to point out if they do add a Czechoslovakia tree in the future, I hope they don't pull the "if its in the marketplace we can't add the vehicle to the research tree to prevent taking value away" mentality with the Moderna as an event vehicle. Yes we have the early version still but both versions are cornerstones in development. 

[G1label 143]

I dont think anybody has suggested this before but on top of normal cromwells the Czechs also used cromwell Viiis which where armed with the 95mm howitzer seen on the electo already in game. Since Britain currently does not have this cromwell type they it would make for a unique vehicle (could go at like 2.7-3.0).

[G1label 143]

Another interesting project that can be considered would be the Atpický tatra. I know it wasn't built but it would he been very similar in construction to the related tatra t-iii. Could also make for a neat rank 1 multi turret tank.

[LukTroy 124]

+1. They had a pretty big defence industry, so they deserve to be in-game. 

[Matesaakcze 0]

On 11/11/2019 at 02:41, PikPikker said:

Hello, I'm going to suggest adding Czechoslovakia as a new nation to the game, and here is Czechoslovak Ground Forces Tech Tree:

https://pikpikker.neocities.org/cz_wt.html

This is my own site where you can enlarge every picture and click any tank to read about it!

The tree as a picture:

Reveal hidden contents

Czechoslovakia is known as a major tank exporter before WW2, having many unique light and medium tanks of that time. A little gap for WW2 period (rank 3) as Czechoslovakia was occupied and supported by Allies. After the WW2 Czechoslovakia was a Warsaw Pact member.

 

In 1993 Czechoslovakia became two separate countries - Czech and Slovakia, and their vehicles are here in the tree as well. Some of them were in service of both countries or were development in joint.

 

Now I will give a little review on each line.

Line 1 - is about light tanks which lead to BMP-1 modern modifications with new turrets and advanced ATGM armament.

Line 2 - Skoda tanks and then medium tanks. In 1930s Skoda and CKD (Praga) factories were fighting who produces a better tank for export, and there were so many of them as I had to make them in separate branches. Then there are medium tanks from the Allies, and after them goes T-34/85 which was produced under license and had several differences from the Soviet one, for example, better armor quality. Its successors are T-54 and T-55 modifications - some of them even got ATGM on turret. Two modern T-72 Czech modernizations conclude this medium tank line.

Line 3 - SPAAG line full of new interesting vehicles. The main difference from other SPAAG lines in the game is that this one starts with a guntruck with a 40 mm AA gun Z-1 on rank 1, but with manual loading, making it more as a tank hunter. 

Line 4 - CKD (Praga) tanks that end with T-40/75, Pz. IV in Czechoslovak service. But after that we get wheeled monsters like twin-gun Jarmila II and 8x8 OT-64 with ATGM.

Line 5 - SPGs. They might look a little boring but even the Czechoslovak StuG was not exactly the same - it got another improved gun shield. Aside from license-produced SD-100 there are many special local-built SPGs like Tatra OT-810D - halftrack-based tank hunter! Dana wheeled howitzer goes next, and self-propelled mortar with some ATGM on board finished the line.

 

I tried to find any aircraft tech trees for Czechoslovakia but there were not any. I had a look at Czechoslovak aircraft lists and it looks like an aircraft tree may be pretty real! 

 

Now I would like to add some words about my tech tree.

At first, I tried avoiding too many copies - and that is why not all the Czechoslovak tanks might be here (for example, there were also Sherman V and M5A1 Stuart).

All the BRs are approximate (or can be totally wrong), and were set as for arcade mode.

All the shown premium tanks can be implemented as available for purchase for Lions, pack specials or any others.

I expect Skoda S.U. and LT vz. 34 to be the Reserve tanks.

 

Vehicle count:

Rank 1: 9 (for research) + 7 (premiums)

Rank 2: 8 + 4

Rank 3: 7 + 2

Rank 4: 8 + 2

Rank 5: 11 + 1

Rank 6: 15 + 3

Rank 7: 6

Total: 83 vehicles (64 without premiums)

 

Here is the vehicle list with all the tank pictures, but only one of them has description - Tatra MT-6. You can access decent sources for all other tanks from my site (I will also answer all the questions regarding my tree if you have any!).

 

Vehicles 

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Line 1 - light tanks

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LT vz. 38

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LT vz. 40

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Skoda T-15

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OT-62B

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BVP-1

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BPzV Svatana

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BVP-2

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BVP-M

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BPsV ISTAR

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BMP-M1 CZ

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BVP-M2 CZSK

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BMP-M2 CZ

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Line 2 - Skoda, medium tanks

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Skoda S.U.

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LT vz. 35

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Skoda S-II-b

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Skoda S-III

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Skoda SP-II-b

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Skoda T-23M

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Cromwell Mk. IV

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T-34/76

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Sherman IC

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T-34/85

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T-54A

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T-54AM

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T-54M

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T-55AMB

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T-55AM1

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T-55AM2

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T-55AM2B

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T-72M2 Moderna

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T-72M4 CZ

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T-72 Scarab

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Line 3 - SPAAGs

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Tatra MT-6

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This SPAAG was developed and a prototype was built in 1930s. 40 mm anti-aircraft gun Z-1 with manual loading (making about 20 rounds per minutes) was installed on unspecified Tatra truck. Needless to say such gun was not taken into service because shooting planes with single shots would be almost impossible. But such SPAAG could be used against tanks of that time well enough.

Skoda PUV-6

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T-34/85 R-10

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M53/59 Praga

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BVP-1 Strop

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Strop II

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ShPLK BRAMS

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RBS-70 VLM Tatra T815

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Line 4 - CKD tanks, wheeled light tanks

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LT vz. 34

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CKD P-II-a

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CKD P-II-b

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CKD V-8-H

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ST vz. 39

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T-40/75

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OT-65A Vydra

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OA S-971 Jarmila 82mm Vz. 59

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OA-82 Jarmila II

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OT-64A SKOT (ATGM)

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OT-64 Cobra

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Line 5 - SPGs

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LKMVP

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SD 75/40N

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ST-I

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Tatra OT-810D

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OT-62D

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SD-100

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152mm SpGH Dana

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152mm ShKH Ondava

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155mm ShKH Zuzana

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155mm ShKH A 40 Himalaya

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155mm ShKH Zuzana 2

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155mm ShKH Diana

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Vz. 85 ShM-120 PRAM-S

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Line 6 - Premiums

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Skoda MU-6

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Skoda T-11

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Praga LTL

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Praga TNHP

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Skoda PA-II-del

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Skoda T-32 Prototyp

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Skoda S-I-SPO

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Skoda T-13M

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Tatra T-III

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Sdkfz.138/1 mit 3cm MK103/38

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Turan 105mm leFH 18

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Cromwell Mk. VIII

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Tiger I 75 mm A 18

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T-34/100

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SD-100 A 20

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This tank is a project of mounting an existing gun (A 20) on an existing tank (SD-100), so it might work as a premium I guess. If no - the tree can go without this vehicle.

RM-51

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RM-70

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155mm Eva

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KBVP

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Sources

The full list of sources is pretty large, and you can access it here: https://pikpikker.neocities.org/about.html

Loving this! I still hope someday we'll see this tree added to the game!

[Kminek246 123]

On 23/01/2023 at 22:24, G1label said:

I dont think anybody has suggested this before but on top of normal cromwells the Czechs also used cromwell Viiis which where armed with the 95mm howitzer seen on the electo already in game. Since Britain currently does not have this cromwell type they it would make for a unique vehicle (could go at like 2.7-3.0).

What i found out apparently after the WW2 Czechoslovakian army also bought 22 Challenger tanks from UK

 

[G1label 143]

6 hours ago, Kminek246 said:

What i found out apparently after the WW2 Czechoslovakian army also bought 22 Challenger tanks from UK

 

That could make a neat premium.

[AftiksPL 197]

On 01/04/2023 at 12:28, Kminek246 said:

What i found out apparently after the WW2 Czechoslovakian army also bought 22 Challenger tanks from UK

Sadlly, it was late production model with additional armor plates on turret, so it would be slighty unique I guess.

[G1label 143]

1 hour ago, AftiksPL said:

Sadlly, it was late production model with additional armor plates on turret, so it would be slighty unique I guess.

Doesn't sound very sad to me. Anything to make the tree unique is good in my book

[Kminek246 123]

20 hours ago, AftiksPL said:

Sadlly, it was late production model with additional armor plates on turret, so it would be slighty unique I guess.

Why sadly? sound kinda interesting

 

[TADAMAT 77]

Another update to my ground proposal: 

https://warthunderczechoslovakia.neocities.org/czechoslovak_ground_tree

 

Following vehicles have been added into the techtree

 

T-72M5 (rank VI, BR 9.7, premium)

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Armament: 125mm 2A46
Max speed: 60km/h
Armor:
same as the T-72M4
DYNA ERA can defeat tandem charges

 

Zetor Gerlach RS6 (rank VII, BR 10.0)

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Armament:
30mm XM914
unknown ammount of Javelin ATGM´s (probably 4 or more)
Max speed: 110km/h
Armor: can withstand small arms fire

 

AMV 4x4 PL (rank VI, BR 9.0)

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Armament:
4x 9M39 Igla

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4x FIM-92 Stinger
Max speed: 120km/h
Armor: can protect from small arms fire

 

 

 

Number of vehicles after the update:

Rank I: 18 researchable vehicles + 7 premium vehicles

Rank II: 15 researchable vehicles   + 1 premium vehicles

Rank III: 13 researchable vehicles + 3 premium vehicles

Rank IV: 16 researchable vehicles + 5 premium vehicles

Rank V: 18 researchable vehicles + 6 premium/event vehicles

Rank VI: 23 researchable vehicles + 5 premium/event vehicles

Rank VII: 18 researchable vehicles + 4 event vehicle

Total vehicle count: 152 vehicles     (making it the largest tt in game, having 1 vehicle more then the Soviet techtree)

99 indigenous     (65%)

43 upgrades     (28%)

10 copy-paste (4 of which were produced under license)     (7%)

[WG678 96]

This is nice, i like this. But problem is: they adding Czechoslovakian stuff to Russian TT!

Russian TT doesn't need these things, like they have already anything, SPAA, heavy, medium, prototypes, IFV, light, scout, ATGM carriers..... anything.

[Rambolf 371]

1 hour ago, WG678 said:

This is nice, i like this. But problem is: they adding Czechoslovakian stuff to Russian TT!

Russian TT doesn't need these things, like they have already anything, SPAA, heavy, medium, prototypes, IFV, light, scout, ATGM carriers..... anything.

I mean... both china and israel had stuff in other trees before being moved or copied to their correct tree when they were implemented